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America Nuked 9/11

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Fear not Poppet, Sky will mold the data to suit his purposes, as one molds clay to form an object.

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Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle

huge article discussing all the theories. by

Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken and Dr. Ed Ward (with Dennis Cimino and Jim Fetzer)

http://www.veteranst...the-911-puzzle/

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There are a half-dozen or more theories about how the Twin Towers were destroyed, where, as The Vancouver Hearings have established, the “official account”–that the buildings collapsed, due to the intense heat of the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to lose its strength and lead to a cascade of floors falling upon one another–is the least defensible and most effortlessly refuted of them all.

Here I am going to summarize the evidence for each and explain why the most defensible and difficult to falsify are those that posit the use of sophisticated arrangements of micro and mini-nukes, which, of course, is not a technique that would have been available to Osama bin Laden and his hearty band of 19 Islamic fanatics, which the government has peddled to the public with a straight face and which has been supported by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology). The NIST, alas, has been carrying the burden for the Bush/Cheney administration, which, together with its friends in the Mossad, appear to have been the principals responsible for 9/11.

The theories to be discussed include (h1) the collapse theory, (h2) the nanothermite theory, (h3) the DEW theory, and (h4), the nuke theory, which should be distinguished by its own subtheories, including (h4a) the 150kt subbasement theory (associated with Dimitri Khalezov) and the (h4b) mini and mico-nuke theory (associated with The Anonymous Physicist, Dr. William Deagle, Dr. Ed Ward, Jeff Prager and Don Fox, among others), which appears by far the most promising.

makes perfect sense to me , the Israelis dropped the towers and some members of the government new the date and the time and piggybacked their operation to lose the evidence into the missing 2.3 trillion dollars bringing down wtc 7 and bombing the pentagon.

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Deception as a tool for mind control is not new.

Because so many people continue to war 'for' and 'against' the events of that fateful day is evidence to me that the evil veil of lies has triumphed and that is the only real 'truth'

The mathematical formula of the 9/11 enigma has been calculated with certainty throughout history, and is blatantly simple.

" The great masses of the people....will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one." ~ Adolf Hitler

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Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle

huge article discussing all the theories. by

Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken and Dr. Ed Ward (with Dennis Cimino and Jim Fetzer)

http://www.veteranst...the-911-puzzle/

snip.

There are a half-dozen or more theories about how the Twin Towers were destroyed, where, as The Vancouver Hearings have established, the “official account”–that the buildings collapsed, due to the intense heat of the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to lose its strength and lead to a cascade of floors falling upon one another–is the least defensible and most effortlessly refuted of them all.

Here I am going to summarize the evidence for each and explain why the most defensible and difficult to falsify are those that posit the use of sophisticated arrangements of micro and mini-nukes, which, of course, is not a technique that would have been available to Osama bin Laden and his hearty band of 19 Islamic fanatics, which the government has peddled to the public with a straight face and which has been supported by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology). The NIST, alas, has been carrying the burden for the Bush/Cheney administration, which, together with its friends in the Mossad, appear to have been the principals responsible for 9/11.

The theories to be discussed include (h1) the collapse theory, (h2) the nanothermite theory, (h3) the DEW theory, and (h4), the nuke theory, which should be distinguished by its own subtheories, including (h4a) the 150kt subbasement theory (associated with Dimitri Khalezov) and the (h4b) mini and mico-nuke theory (associated with The Anonymous Physicist, Dr. William Deagle, Dr. Ed Ward, Jeff Prager and Don Fox, among others), which appears by far the most promising.

makes perfect sense to me , the Israelis dropped the towers and some members of the government new the date and the time and piggybacked their operation to lose the evidence into the missing 2.3 trillion dollars bringing down wtc 7 and bombing the pentagon.

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Here is proof that no nuclear device of any kind was used during the 911 attacks.

No nuclear explosion of any kind in that video, and remember, stories of mini-nukes at ground zero were planted to discredit the 911 Truther movement.

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makes perfect sense to me , the Israelis dropped the towers and some members of the government new the date and the time and piggybacked their operation to lose the evidence into the missing 2.3 trillion dollars bringing down wtc 7 and bombing the pentagon.

What missing $2.3 trillion? There was no missing $2.3 trillion. In fact, the Pentagon did not have the capability to track $2.3 trillion, which simply means the 911 Truthers were duped again!! I might also add that the Israelis were released from custody because there was no evidence implicating them in the 911 attacks, so once again, the 911 Truthers were duped after that fact became known.

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What missing $2.3 trillion? There was no missing $2.3 trillion. In fact, the Pentagon did not have the capability to track $2.3 trillion, which simply means the 911 Truthers were duped again!! I might also add that the Israelis were released from custody because there was no evidence implicating them in the 911 attacks, so once again, the 911 Truthers were duped after that fact became known.

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He said, the Pentagon cannot track that much money, which is what I have said. The money was not missing at all.

What Donald Rumsfied has said:

Rumsfeld: "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." -DoD (09/10/01)

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Now, for a dose of reality.

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According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.

Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven't disappeared, Zakheim said. "Missing" expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.

DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.

"We're getting it down and we are redesigning our systems so we'll go down from 600-odd systems to maybe 50," he explained.

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That was just another example where 911 Truthers failed to do their homework properly and as a result, concocted another unfounded conspiracy.

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Sky

Time and again you demonstrate how deeply in denial you are, and time and again you post less than truthful statements (and videos) here.

Poor accounting within the federal government and especially the Pentagon are LEGEND sir, well documented, yet you post here that everything is just fine.

I watched CSPAN video of Rumsfeld being deposed by McKinney regarding these missing funds. The CBS piece shown above confirms it.

Yet you want anybody reading here to believe there's nothing to it. That, sir, is denial.

And the more important point is that there was MOTIVATION to attack that part of the Pentagon where audits were being conducted. There was a REASON to get rid of the auditors and the records. The reason was to protect the guilty parties.

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Sky

Time and again you demonstrate how deeply in denial you are, and time and again you post less than truthful statements (and videos) here.

Poor accounting within the federal government and especially the Pentagon are LEGEND sir, well documented, yet you post here that everything is just fine.

The way the government handles and waste money is nothing new, and no reason to fly airplanes into buildings because records are spread out amongst government agencies and of course, there are backups.

I watched CSPAN video of Rumsfeld being deposed by McKinney regarding these missing funds. The CBS piece shown above confirms it.

Yet you want anybody reading here to believe there's nothing to it. That, sir, is denial.

No it isn't. We have known for many years the Pentagon was unable to track that much money. Now, let's take another look here.

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"DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop."

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"The amount continues to drop."

In other words, most of the money has been recovered and was never missing in the first place.

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Published on 7 Nov 2012

In this 2007 interview by CIT April Gallop describes how she was only a few dozen feet away from the alleged impact point of the Pentagon on 9/11 and barely survived. Her traumatic story of survival along with her two month old baby who was with her at the time is compounded by the utter failure of the government to provide the adequate assistance she needed to recover and put the pieces of her shattered life back together.

April Gallop climbed out of this hole with her two month child she saw no plane parts no luggage in fact absolutely nothing to indicate a plane had struck the building

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There are those who still peddle the government fairy story, some just for fun and others that get paid through on line poker sites ,I know im in contact with one ,helping to cover up the events of 9/11 is a crime ,treason comes to mind.

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Sky - you are wasting your time here. These people are like Turbs with the Apollo landings. Let them wallow in their delusions because you certainly aren't going to be able to convince them of anything otherwise.

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Published on 7 Nov 2012

In this 2007 interview by CIT April Gallop describes how she was only a few dozen feet away from the alleged impact point of the Pentagon on 9/11 and barely survived. Her traumatic story of survival along with her two month old baby who was with her at the time is compounded by the utter failure of the government to provide the adequate assistance she needed to recover and put the pieces of her shattered life back together.

April Gallop climbed out of this hole with her two month child she saw no plane parts no luggage in fact absolutely nothing to indicate a plane had struck the building.

Well, let's see about that, since you've posted comments of a woman who has said that she saw no evidence that indicated an aircraft struck the Pentagon.

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Now, what was that about the woman who'd said she saw no evidence that an aircraft struck the Pentagon?

There are those who still peddle the government fairy story, some just for fun and others that get paid through on line poker sites ,I know im in contact with one ,helping to cover up the events of 9/11 is a crime ,treason comes to mind.

I might add that I have been in contact in recent weeks with two people who were in the Pentagon when American 77 struck, one of whom was the commanding officer of my former Wing. Both individuals mentioned the massive amount of aircraft wreckage spread inside and outside the Pentagon.

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Apparently, more that 2/3 of that $2.3 trillion has now been accounted for. In other words, that money was never missing in the first place.

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

ccording to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.

http://911research.w.../trillions.html

It's not that the money is "missing", then, at least according to Rumsfeld, more that incompatible and aging financial systems don't allow it to be tracked throughout the system. A DoD news document from April 2002 spelled this out even more clearly:

In fiscal 1999, a defense audit found that about $2.3 trillion of balances, transactions and adjustments were inadequately documented. These "unsupported" transactions do not mean the department ultimately cannot account for them, she advised, but that tracking down needed documents would take a long time. Auditors, she said, might have to go to different computer systems, to different locations or access different databases to get information.

http://www.defense.g...e.aspx?id=44199

Pentagon's finances in disarray

By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.

http://hv.greenspun....l?msg_id=002hxm

January 7, 2001

The Defense Department's inspector general recently identified $6.9 trillion in accounting entries, but $2.3 trillion was not supported by adequate audit trails or sufficient evidence to determine its validity.

Another $2 trillion worth of entries were not examined because of time constraints, and therefore, the inspector general was able to audit only $2.6 trillion of accounting entries in a $6.9 trillion pot.

Contra Costa Times (California)

akheim Seeks To Corral, Reconcile 'Lost' Spending

By Gerry J. Gilmore American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2002 -- As part of military transformation efforts, DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim and his posse of accountants are riding the Pentagon's financial paper trail, seeking to corral billions of dollars in so-called "lost" expenditures.

For years, DoD and congressional officials have sought to reconcile defense financial documents to determine where billions in expenditures have gone. That money didn't fall down a hole, but is simply waiting to be accounted for, Zakheim said in a Feb. 14 interview with the American Forces Information Service. Complicating matters, he said, is that DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems.

Most of the 674 systems "don't talk to one another unless somebody 'translates,'" he remarked. This situation, he added, makes it hard to reconcile financial data.

Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven't disappeared, Zakheim said. "Missing" expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.

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Just another prime example of another unfounded conspiracy, this time in regards to $2.3 trillion that was not missing at all, and most of which has now been accounted for.

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April Gallop climbed out of this hole with her two month child she saw no plane parts no luggage in fact absolutely nothing to indicate a plane had struck the building

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April Gallop's testimony is but one of the pieces showing that no 757 struck the Pentagon. And the court's ruling against her legal case shows how involved the judiciary is in the coverup regarding the events of the day.

Of course the mainstream media did not even cover her story, demonstrating MSM participation in the coverup. They believe the likes of Tenet, Rummy, Dubya & Dick, but they don't believe a common citizen.

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Sky - you are wasting your time here. These people are like Turbs with the Apollo landings. Let them wallow in their delusions because you certainly aren't going to be able to convince them of anything otherwise.

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What I do find worrying is how people can hang on every word and action the government takes and are too afraid of a proper investigation into 9/11 I mean a whopping 14 million dollars on the whole 9/11 investigation but 80 million for the Monica Lewinski scandal, I guess it was more important to find out if Bill had his pants down in the Whitehouse than the legitimacy of marching off to war looking for some bogey man who lived in a cave.

Still everyday as the list of casualties grow so does the number of people resenting being occupied in their own country ,resent America and the west bombing their house, resent having to bury their loved ones ,people are becoming radicalized due to the events of that day and asking for an independent investigation to clear up all the anomalies that day is not un patriotic it should be mandatory for being part of the human race.

It’s not like America hasn’t been attacked before is it ?

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Israel’s Attack on USS Liberty – The Full Story

The lesson of the cold-blooded attack on the USS Liberty was that there is nothing the Zionist state might not do, to its friends as well as its enemies, in order to get its own way.

by Alan Hart

http://www.veteranst...the-full-story/

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April Gallop's testimony is but one of the pieces showing that no 757 struck the Pentagon.

Yet, the overwhelming evidence proved her wrong.

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Sky - you are wasting your time here. These people are like Turbs with the Apollo landings. Let them wallow in their delusions because you certainly aren't going to be able to convince them of anything otherwise.

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It is amazing they don't bother to do their homework. The overwhelming evidence has proven them wrong on each case, so what did they do next? They continued to post false and misleading junk that have no basis of fact. I have also noticed that in some cases, they have actually posted disinformation and misinformation and other misleading junk that were planted.

That sums it up where they are coming from.

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I am undecided ... the key question to this is how deep was the US government involved because so far the papers and documents already makes a solid case of them being involved, but how deep ? who were the key players ? who HAS to be involved ? IN the overlaps somewhere is someone who has to have a dirty finger in it.

Don't follow the dead herrings of who 'profits' from all this, that's too obvious, and not improbable that its packed with decoys, too many gained a piece of this fall out pie, yes , even the American public 'profited'.

The purpose is to entrench policy of influence on a global scale, the Israeli government too is a red herring, I believe they know most of the story and might even have proof of evidence on the involvement of certain parties. Their global standing influence on UN policies increased dramatically due to 911, its not just 'sympathy' I can assure you.

911 is already snowballed into something bigger than just governments, politics, fundamentalism or orthodoxy but plain and simple, a wealth grab.

It was a raid and sack on the wealth of the nations by distorting the reality between the numbers and values translating to profits recoups.

The Silicon bubble took them for a ride and they wants their money back, with interest, the Europe/EU and the US public is now bearing the pains of this vengeful restructuring.

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I know I've only just noticed this thread, but really? 7 pages of free publicity for someone with yet another Book to promote?

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Third Eye

Just curious as to how the american public profited from the events of the day?

Have you ever read Alan Sabrosky?

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Frankly, I see this as pure ignorance of even basic physics. A nuclear device detonating has some very basic characteristics associated with it, none of which were seen at Ground Zero. Stating otherwise is merely a testament to the willingness to not do proper research.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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Do you suppose the Pentagon has been doing R & D in nuclear weapons since the end of WWII?

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Frankly, I see this as pure ignorance of even basic physics. A nuclear device detonating has some very basic characteristics associated with it, none of which were seen at Ground Zero. Stating otherwise is merely a testament to the willingness to not do proper research.

Cheers,

Badeskov

You are correct. Not one characteristic of a nuclear explosion was noticed at ground zero.

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Badeskov

Do you suppose the Pentagon has been doing R & D in nuclear weapons since the end of WWII?

A nuclear explosion is a nuclear explosion. Why do these videos debunk claims that nukes were used?

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