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Dyatlov Pass Incident

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They talked about this incident in the show "Ancient Aliens: Aliens and Evil Places." I had never heard of it before this episode.

The Dyatlov Pass incident resulted in the deaths of nine ski hikers in the northern Ural mountains on the night of February 2, 1959. It happened on the east shoulder of the mountain Kholat Syakhl (Холат-Сяхыл) (a Mansi name, meaning Mountain of the Dead). The mountain pass where the incident occurred has since been named Dyatlov Pass (Перевал Дятлова) after the group's leader, Igor Dyatlov (Игорь Дятлов).

The lack of eyewitnesses has inspired much speculation. Soviet investigators determined only that "a compelling natural force" had caused the deaths.[1] Access to the area was barred for skiers and other adventurers for three years after the incident.[2][better source needed] The chronology of the incident remains unclear because of the lack of survivors.[3][1]

Investigators at the time determined that the hikers tore open their tent from within, departing barefoot into heavy snow and a temperature of −30 °C (−22 °F). Although the corpses showed no signs of struggle, two victims had fractured skulls, two had broken ribs, and one was missing her tongue.

A group was formed for a ski trek across the northern Urals in Sverdlovsk Oblast. The group, led by Igor Dyatlov, consisted of eight men and two women. Most were students or graduates of Ural Polytechnical Institute (Уральский Политехнический Институт, УПИ), now Ural State Technical University:

  1. Igor Alekseievich Dyatlov (Игорь Алексеевич Дятлов), the group's leader, born January 13, 1936
  2. Zinaida Alekseievna Kolmogorova (Зинаида Алексеевна Колмогорова), born January 12, 1937
  3. Ludmila Alexandrovna Dubinina (Людмила Александровна Дубинина), born May 12, 1938
  4. Alexander Sergeievich Kolevatov (Александр Сергеевич Колеватов), born November 16, 1934
  5. Rustem Vladimirovich Slobodin (Рустем Владимирович Слободин), born January 11, 1936
  6. Yuri Alexeievich Krivonischenko (Юрий Алексеевич Кривонищенко), born February 7, 1935
  7. Yuri Nikolaievich Doroshenko (Юрий Николаевич Дорошенко), born January 29, 1938
  8. Nicolai Vladimirovich Thibeaux-Brignolles (Николай Владимирович Тибо-Бриньоль), born July 5, 1935
  9. Alexander Alexandrovich Zolotariov (Александр Александрович Золотарёв), born February 2, 1921
  10. Yuri Yefimovich Yudin (Юрий Ефимович Юдин), born July 19, 1937

The goal of the expedition was to reach Otorten (Отортен), a mountain 10 kilometers north of the site of the incident. This route, at that season, was estimated as "Category III", the most difficult. All members were experienced in long ski tours and mountain expeditions.

The group arrived by train at Ivdel (Ивдель), a city at the center of the northern province of Sverdlovsk Oblast on January 25. They then took a truck to Vizhai (Вижай) - the last inhabited settlement so far north. They started their march toward Otorten from Vizhai on January 27. The next day, one of the members (Yuri Yudin) was forced to go back because of illness.[2] The group now consisted of nine people.

Diaries and cameras found around their last camp made it possible to track the group's route up to the day preceding the incident. On January 31, the group arrived at the edge of a highland area and began to prepare for climbing. In a wooded valley they cached surplus food and equipment that would be used for the trip back. The following day (February 1), the hikers started to move through the pass. It seems they planned to get over the pass and make camp for the next night on the opposite side, but because of worsening weather conditions, snowstorms and decreasing visibility, they lost their direction and deviated west, upward towards the top of Kholat Syakhyl. When they realized their mistake, the group decided to stop and set up camp there on the slope of the mountain rather than moving 1.5 kilometers downhill to a forested area which would have offered some shelter from the elements.[2] Yuri Yudin, the lone survivor, postulates that “Dyatlov probably did not want to lose the altitude they had gained, or he decided to practice camping on the mountain slope."

Search and discovery

It had been agreed beforehand that Dyatlov would send a telegraph to their sports club as soon as the group returned to Vizhai (Вижай). It was expected that this would happen no later than February 12, but Dyatlov had told Yudin that he expected to be longer, and so when this date had passed and no messages had been received, there was no reaction—delays of a few days were common in such expeditions. Only after the relatives of the travelers demanded a rescue operation did the head of the institute send the first rescue groups, consisting of volunteer students and teachers, on February 20.[2] Later, the army and police forces became involved, with planes and helicopters being ordered to join the rescue operation.

On February 26, the searchers found the abandoned and badly damaged tent on Kholat Syakhl. Mikhail Sharavin, the student who found the tent, said “the tent was half torn down and covered with snow. It was empty, and all the group’s belongings and shoes had been left behind.”[2] Investigators said the tent had been cut open from inside. A chain of eight or nine sets of footprints, left by people who were wearing socks, a single shoe or were barefoot, could be followed and led down toward the edge of nearby woods (on the opposite side of the pass, 1.5 km north-east), but after 500 meters they were covered with snow. At the forest edge, under a large old cedar, the searchers found the remains of a fire, along with the first two bodies, those of Yuri Krivonischenko and Yuri Doroshenko, shoeless and dressed only in their underwear. The branches on the tree were broken up to five meters high, suggesting that a skier had climbed up to look for something, perhaps the camp. Between the cedar and the camp the searchers found three more corpses, Dyatlov, Zina Kolmogorova and Rustem Slobodin, who seemed to have died in poses suggesting that they were attempting to return to the tent.[2] They were found separately at distances of 300, 480 and 630 meters from the tree.

Searching for the remaining four travelers took more than two months. They were finally found on May 4 under four meters of snow in a ravine 75 meters farther into the woods from the cedar tree. These four were better dressed than the others, and there were signs that those who had died first had apparently relinquished their clothes to the others. Zolotaryov was wearing Dubinina’s faux fur coat and hat, while Dubinina’s foot was wrapped in a piece of Krivonishenko’s wool pants.

Investigation

A legal inquest had been started immediately after finding the first five bodies. A medical examination found no injuries which might have led to their deaths, and it was concluded that they had all died of hypothermia. Slobodin had a small crack in his skull, but it was not thought to be a fatal wound.

An examination of the four bodies which were found in May changed the picture. Three of them had fatal injuries: the body of Thibeaux-Brignolles had major skull damage, and both Dubunina and Zolotarev had major chest fractures. According to Dr. Boris Vozrozhdenny, the force required to cause such damage would have been extremely high. He compared it to the force of a car crash. Notably, the bodies had no external wounds, as if they were crippled by a high level of pressure. Dubunina was found to be missing her tongue.[2] There had initially been some speculation that the indigenous Mansi people might have attacked and murdered the group for encroaching upon their lands, but investigation indicated that the nature of their deaths did not support this thesis; the hikers' footprints alone were visible, and they showed no sign of hand-to-hand struggle.[2]

Although the temperature was very low, around −25 to −30 °C (−13 to −22 °F) with a storm blowing, the dead were only partially dressed. Some of them had only one shoe, while others had no shoes or wore only socks.[2] Some were found wrapped in snips of ripped clothes that seemed to have been cut from those who were already dead. However, up to 25 percent of hypothermia deaths are associated with so-called "Paradoxical undressing".[4] This typically occurs during moderate to severe hypothermia, as the person becomes disoriented, confused, and combative. They may begin discarding their clothing, which, in turn, increases the rate of heat loss.[5][6]

Avalanche damage is considered a possible explanation for this incident.[7] One scenario under this theory is that moving snow knocked down the tent, ruining the campsite in the night. The party then cut themselves free and mobilized. The snow would likely have contacted them and possibly ruined their boots and extra clothing. Being covered in wet snow in the sub-freezing temperatures created a serious hazard to survival, with possible exhaustion or unconsciousness from hypothermia possible in under 15 minutes.[8] Thibeaux-Brignolles, Dubunina, Zolotariov, and Kolevatov were moving farther from the site to find help despite their remote location when they fell in the ravine they were found in - three of these bodies had major fractures. Being the only bodies with major injuries and lying 13 feet deep in a ravine could be considered evidence that they fell.

Supporting factors for this theory are that avalanches are not uncommon on any slope that can accumulate snow. Despite claims that the area is not prone to avalanches,[9] slab avalanches do typically occur in new snow and where people are disrupting the snowpack.[10] On the night of the incident, snow was falling, the campsite was situated on a slope, and the campers were disrupting the stability of the snowpack. The tent was also halfway torn down and partially covered with snow - all of which could support the theory of a small avalanche pushing snow into the tent.

Possibly negating the avalanche scenario would be that the investigators saw footprints leading from the campsite, and no obvious avalanche damage was noted. However, the footprints could have been preserved if there was no precipitation in the 25 days before the site was discovered and the supposed avalanche happened after most of the snow fell.

Journalists reporting on the available parts of the inquest files claim that it states:

  • Six of the group members died of hypothermia and three of fatal injuries.
  • There were no indications of other people nearby apart from the nine travelers on Kholat Syakhl, nor anyone in the surrounding areas.
  • The tent had been ripped open from within.
  • The victims had died 6 to 8 hours after their last meal.
  • Traces from the camp showed that all group members left the camp of their own accord, on foot.
  • To dispel the theory of an attack by the indigenous Mansi people, Dr. Boris Vozrozhdenny stated that the fatal injuries of the three bodies could not have been caused by another human being, "because the force of the blows had been too strong and no soft tissue had been damaged".[2]
  • Forensic radiation tests had shown high doses of radioactive contamination on the clothes of a few victims.[2]
  • Released documents contained no information about the condition of the skiers’ internal organs.

The final verdict was that the group members all died because of a "compelling natural force".[1] The inquest ceased officially in May 1959 as a result of the "absence of a guilty party". The files were sent to a secret archive, and the photocopies of the case became available only in the 1990s, with some parts missing.[2][better source needed]

Controversy surrounding investigation

Some researchers claim some facts were missed, perhaps ignored, by officials:[3][1]

  • 12-year-old Yury Kuntsevich, who would later become head of the Yekaterinburg-based Dyatlov Foundation (see below), attended five of the hikers' funerals and recalls their skin had a "deep brown tan".[2]
  • The hikers' clothing was found to be highly radioactive.[2]
  • Another group of hikers (about 50 kilometers south of the incident) reported that they saw strange orange spheres in the night sky to the north (likely in the direction of Kholat Syakhl) on the night of the incident.[2] Similar "spheres" were observed in Ivdel and adjacent areas continually during the period of February to March 1959, by various independent witnesses (including the meteorology service and the military).[2] These were later proven to be launches of R-7 intercontinental missiles by Eugene Buyanov.[11]
  • Some reports suggest that there was a great deal of scrap metal in the area, leading to speculation that the military had utilized the area secretly and might have been engaged in a cover-up.

Aftermath

In 1967, Sverdlovsk writer and journalist Yuri Yarovoi (Юрий Яровой) published the novel Of the highest rank of complexity (Высшей категории трудности)[12] which was inspired by this incident. Yarovoi had been involved in the search for Dyatlov's group and at the inquest, including acting as an official photographer for the search campaign and in the initial stage of the investigation, and so had insight into the events. The book was written in the Soviet era when the details of the accident were kept secret, and Yarovoi avoided revealing anything beyond the official position and well-known facts. The book romanticized the accident and had a much more optimistic end than the real events – only the group leader was found deceased. Yarovoi's colleagues say that he had alternative versions of the novel, but both were declined because of censorship. Since Yarovoi's death in 1980 all his archives, including photos, diaries and manuscripts, have been lost.

Some details of the tragedy became publicly available in 1990 following publications and discussions in Sverdlovsk's regional press.[citation needed] One of the first authors was Sverdlovsk journalist Anatoly Guschin (Анатолий Гущин). Guschin reported that police officials gave him special permission to study the original files of the inquest and use these materials in his publications.[citation needed] He noticed that a number of pages were excluded from the files, as was a mysterious "envelope" mentioned in the case materials list. At the same time photocopies of some of the case files started to circulate among other unofficial researchers.[citation needed]

Guschin summarized his research in the book The Price of State Secrets is Nine Lives (Цена гостайны - девять жизней).[1] Some researchers criticized it due to its concentration on the speculative theory of a "Soviet secret weapon experiment", but the publication aroused the public discussion, stimulated by interest in the paranormal. Indeed, many of those who remained silent for 30 years reported new facts about the accident. One of them was the former police officer Lev Ivanov (Лев Иванов), who led the official inquest in 1959. In 1990 he published an article[13] along with his admission that the investigation team had no rational explanation of the accident. He also reported that he received direct orders from high-ranking regional officials to dismiss the inquest and keep its materials secret after reporting that the team had seen "flying spheres". Ivanov personally believes in a paranormal explanation - specifically, UFOs.

In 2000, a regional TV company produced the documentary film The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass (Тайна Перевала Дятлова). With the help of the film crew, a Yekaterinburg writer, Anna Matveyeva (Анна Матвеева), published the fiction/documentary novella of the same name.[3] A large part of the book includes broad quotations from the official case, diaries of victims, interviews with searchers and other documentaries collected by the film-makers. The narrative line of the book details the everyday life and thoughts of a modern woman (an alter ego of the author herself) who attempts to resolve the case.

Despite its fictional narrative, Matveyeva's book remains the largest source of documentary materials ever made available to the public regarding the incident. In addition, the pages of the case files and other documentaries (in photocopies and transcripts) are gradually published on a web forum for enthusiastic researchers.[14]

The Dyatlov Foundation has been founded in Yekaterinburg, with the help of Ural State Technical University, led by Yuri Kuntsevitch (Юрий Кунцевич). The foundation's aim is to convince current Russian officials to reopen the investigation of the case, and to maintain the "Dyatlov Museum" to perpetuate the memory of the dead hikers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2267kDHy8

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Here is some information http://www.aquiziam.com/dyatlov_pass_answers.html

If you do a search from the main page of these forums using Dyatlov as the search term you will find other threads on this topic.

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That is so weird, major injuries yet no skin damage, radiation contamination, tanned looking skin. When are government going to admit we are being visited.

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Sorry, I didn't see that it had been posted before! Oops!

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So there's six things that freak people out about this one:

1. The no-tongued woman

2. A mysterious orange tan on the dead bodies

3. The ripped tents

4. The hikers' lack of clothing

5. The crushing damage done to three of the hikers

6. The traces of radioactivity

#6. The Dyatlov Pass Incident. http://www.cracked.c...-solutions.html

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Sorry, I didn't see that it had been posted before! Oops!

No Oops, your post was excellent, all the facts as known and none of the nonsense usually surrounding this mystery.

Link to part one of new (2013) drama documentary. Sorry, only Russian yet

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Well I for one never saw the other threads so I am glad this was posted.

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Why would they rip their tent open, and run? I mean, they barely had enough clothes on for such freezing temps. The whole thing is just WEIRD.

Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them, huh?

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Why would they rip their tent open, and run? I mean, they barely had enough clothes on for such freezing temps. The whole thing is just WEIRD.

Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them, huh?

Why weird? How about this idea?

Frankly, E.V.Buyanov and B.E.Slobtsov (in Russian) investigation and explanation of the events is the most compelling.

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So there's six things that freak people out about this one:

1. The no-tongued woman

2. A mysterious orange tan on the dead bodies

3. The ripped tents

4. The hikers' lack of clothing

5. The crushing damage done to three of the hikers

6. The traces of radioactivity

2. and 6. are, unfortunately, merely word of mouth. I believe it's been said by people at the funeral and who saw the bodies, but it's un-provable at this point...

3. and 4. It's called paradoxical undressing. In severe states of Hypothermia people go a bit mental and think they are far too hot. It's pretty reasonable for those things to have happened...

1. Weird.

5. Weird as hell.

Plus, I'd recommend anyone interested to look into the entire area. It's probably one of the weirdest places on earth. If even 10% of the stories that come out of there are true it's a freaky, FREAKY place.

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this is truly an eerie case . i may never go snowboarding at night again.not even joking.

i suspect it was foul play on the soviets part. although there was some strange eyewitness accounts to seeing lights that night from nomadic people in the nearby region. i dont think well ever know what really happened to those people but it was gruesome. the blair witch director shoulda chose this story instead.

i have a hard time believing that intelligent life who are able to travel here from vast distance would revert to such violence. they could prob wipe out an entire city if they wanted to, but fir what reason? those hikers were no threat .

which leads me back to the foul play notion. peoples in those regions in russia have been killed before and after by foul play on behalf of the then soviet regime, thats a fact. because they dont have things like we do such as tvs phones newspapers, not in the mountains because they truly live in tentlike houses, google: khanty, mansi tribes, meaning they cannot really do much about it. its not like they can go to russian authority and say they want to report weapon use by the government on the 6oclock news.

im almost sure it was foul play. probably testing chemical and radiation . sad.

if you want to see a goood show on this one and other similar cases youtube the video : " ancient aliens mysterious places" ( thats the name of the episode)

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The Russian press has reported the 'last survivor' of the incident recently died. Maybe there will be summaries and look-backs in the media over there.

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The Russian press has reported the 'last survivor' of the incident recently died. Maybe there will be summaries and look-backs in the media over there.

the last survivor only survived because he wasnt there. he was ill the night before that incident and stayed behind in a local village and was supposed to catch up with them later.everone

who camped out in the mountain died were killed. he wasnt there to witness it. someone knows what happened but i seriously doubt theyd dare speak of it.

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The Dyatlov Pass incident is interesting. However the most likely explanation is that what happened was the result of a "fuel-air bomb", also known as a "thermobaric bomb", which the Soviets were testing in the area. The bomb was exploded very close to the area where the ski hikers were tenting. They would have been initially woken up by a blast of some sort, and then ran away in terror. Fuel-air bombs were not yet available at the time of the incident, however the Soviets could have already been testing early versions of them.

Other things are also all explainable:

1. The no-tongued woman - if the woman really had no tongue, she would have most likely bitten it off as a result of extreme shock because of the results of the bomb explosion

2. A mysterious orange tan on the dead bodies - this would be the result of the type of explosion which would cause people's skin to darken

3. The ripped tents - the ski hikers left in a hurry and probably ripped them in terror - also the blast could have damaged the tents

4. The hikers' lack of clothing - they were sleeping and probably not wearing their full clothes, as it would have been warm in the tenth and they would have been covered by thick blankets

5. The crushing damage done to three of the hikers - all the result of the fuel-air bomb and the nature of the explosion it generates

6. The traces of radioactivity - this *may* have been as a result of the blast - although a fuel-air bomb does not involve radioactivity, it may have contained radioactive elements along with it

At the time of the Cold War, the Soviet would carry out such tests in utmost secrecy. It would never have been made public that the ski hikers died as a result of bomb testing.

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And as Jim Oberg wrote a few posts above, the only survivor, Yuri Yudin, died last Saturday (27 April) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10026000/Yuri-Yudin.html

He too was convinced the military was heavily involved in all that happened up those Ural mountains.

Poor, poor young hikers, that's all I can say.

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It may seem bizarre to people still trapped in a coldwar mentality, but "Homo Sovieticus" never existed. Military tests were carried out in designated ranges (полигон - poligon), not randomly anywhere military decided. And people did not live cowering in their houses waiting for KGB to come and randomly kill them. Certainly not after Stalin died, and this incident is six years after his death. These hikers were not in any training or test area, it has never been shown to be. The injuries are not the result of any thermobaric bomb. There is zero radiation in them, they kill, depending on distance from ground zero and location, underground bunker for instance, by blast, suffocation or burning. Burning does not make your skin go brown, it makes it go red and then black as you get cooked, there is no intermediate phase of "brown". Also, if they had been killed by result of any explosion, why was the snow not affected, where was the blast pattern on the ground? And this also goes for any theory about a stray R-7 rocket crashing nearby.

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Why weird? How about this idea?

Frankly, E.V.Buyanov and B.E.Slobtsov (in Russian) investigation and explanation of the events is the most compelling.

Okay, a couple of things about this theory. In some ways it does makes sense. But, if it was just a slab of snow that fell on the tent, and they think it is an avalanche. So they leave with a few injured friends, but why didn't they go back? Surely after an hour or so, they would have realized it was safe to go back. Especially if some people needed medical help.

From what I've read these were experienced hikers. Surely, they would have known the difference between an avalanch and a slab of snow following onto their tent?

Something else I found:

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Thought this was interesting.

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Thought this was interesting.

Hello Kowalski, havent time to find it now but there was a decent thread on this a while back with lots of good info dug up.

If I get a chance I will try and find it for you tomorrow

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It's a great area for study. It's not far from Tunguska, you have the whole 'valley of death' with the weird heated 'cauldrons' (upturned metal spheres that seem to be radioactive) that loads of places in the area are named after. It's claimed that there's an alien construction under Siberia that shoots meteors out of the sky, there's even footage of a Russian Defense Minister talking about the 'installation' and that everyone in the area knows about it. Plus Dyatlov's unfortunate excursion and the frequent UFO reports from the area...

It's almost all nonsense, but it seems to be a strange place.

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It may seem bizarre to people still trapped in a coldwar mentality, but "Homo Sovieticus" never existed. Military tests were carried out in designated ranges (полигон - poligon), not randomly anywhere military decided. And people did not live cowering in their houses waiting for KGB to come and randomly kill them. Certainly not after Stalin died, and this incident is six years after his death. These hikers were not in any training or test area, it has never been shown to be. The injuries are not the result of any thermobaric bomb. There is zero radiation in them, they kill, depending on distance from ground zero and location, underground bunker for instance, by blast, suffocation or burning. Burning does not make your skin go brown, it makes it go red and then black as you get cooked, there is no intermediate phase of "brown". Also, if they had been killed by result of any explosion, why was the snow not affected, where was the blast pattern on the ground? And this also goes for any theory about a stray R-7 rocket crashing nearby.

I don't think that you have to believe in Homo Sovieticus for the story of a Soviet cover-up to be plausible. I mean, the American/British military has also been involved in cover-ups. It goes with the nature of the military that they would cover up certain things. In Soviet Russia, this would have been all the more common. We all know about the stories of missing Russian cosmonauts (ok, this may be merely an urban legend). Obviously I would not contradict what you say since you actually live in the ex-USSR.

Regarding the thermobaric bomb, you are right in saying it contains no radiation. However the amount of radiation found on some of the victims was very small. It could have been a result of some previous Soviet weapons testing in the area. I think that this is the most logical explanation.

I don't have an answer as to why the snow was not disturbed, or as to why there was no blast pattern. If it were snowing heavily, I suppose the traces could have been covered up pretty quickly though.

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I don't think that you have to believe in Homo Sovieticus for the story of a Soviet cover-up to be plausible.

That term is more about the propaganda image of Soviet people being some sort of sub-human. Started by the nazis and unfortunately still surviving in some peoples minds......

However I see what you mean in your post, and that is the desire of military and politicians in all countries to never to admit any error and keep secrets secret. There was an attempt a few years back to close this case down by saying that they were killed because of military testing in the area. Yet they were not in a live fire range and no evidence has ever been put forward to prove any military involvement. As far worse disasters have been disclosed since 1991, it does not make any sense to me, that if this was caused by some human error, that it would be kept secret. There is no military technology from 1959 that is still secret, all that could be kept secret are the names of any guilty people, and senior commanders would be dead by now. If this incident is the result of a man made error, then at this remove in time, I cannot see any reason for secrets to be kept. It is certainly a strange incident, and I still have an open mind about the causes. There is of course the possibility that something went wrong at a local level, and that those resonsible were able to keep this secret from their commanders. Therefore there will not be any "paper trail" in the command chain.

Perhaps some old guy, a junior officer at the time, even now sleeps uneasily thinking of what he was resonsible for. Nobody knows.....

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http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=223368&hl= dyatlov&st=0

Hello Kowalski,

I am not sure where thread is. Maybe it was discussed in a Best Evidence thread or the Tantalizing testimony one....The link above is to a specific thread on the event, although not a long thread it still has a few good links with further info.

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http://www.unexplain...topic=223368= dyatlov&st=0

Hello Kowalski,

I am not sure where thread is. Maybe it was discussed in a Best Evidence thread or the Tantalizing testimony one....The link above is to a specific thread on the event, although not a long thread it still has a few good links with further info.

Thanks for posting this link!

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Really good link I found in this thread: http://www.aquiziam.com/dyatlov_pass_answers.html

The answer to this question has been compiled by a combination of review, first hand testimony and personal investigation. The evidence against an avalanche is as follows:


  • At the time of discovery, the specific location of the incident did not have any obvious signs of an avalanche having taken place. Many people have assumed that because the search and rescue party seen in old photographs had snow prods there must have been considerable movement of snow. In actual fact the snow prod is merely standard rescue equipment.

  • A study of the area using up-to-date terrain-related physics has revealed that the location is not conducive to the formation of snow build up of the kind that causes an avalanche.
  • "More than 100 expeditions to the region have been held since the event took place and none of them have ever reported conditions that might create an avalanche in this location."


  • The first bodies were found within ten days of the event and only covered with a shallow layer of (atmospheric) snow.
    Had there been an avalanche of sufficient strength to sweep away the second party then these bodies would have been swept away as well.


  • The condition of the tent when it was discovered indicated that it had not been impacted with any form of snow flow of sufficient strength to knock over the poles. Put another way – it had collapsed laterally not horizontally. This is clearly visible in the photographs.

  • An avalanche would have left “Flow” patterns and other “debris” distributed over a wide area. Neither of these indicators were ever found.

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The Collapsed Tent


  • An avalanche of sufficient strength to “sweep” four people into a ravine – beyond the tree line – some 1.5 kilometres from their tent should have produced two results. Firstly it would have caused far more serious and different injuries and secondly it would have damaged the tree line at the point of impact. Neither of these conditions were ever observed.

  • The "dangerous" conditions sometimes referred to by proponents of the avalanche theory were observed in April and May when the snow falls of winter were melting. During February, when the incident occurred, there were no such conditions. In addition, the so called conditions were observed in a different location with significantly steeper slopes and cornices.

  • An analysis of the terrain, the slope and the incline indicates that even if there could have been a “miraculous” avalanche, its trajectory would have bypassed the tent.

  • Dyatlov was an experienced skier and the much older Alexander Zolotarev was studying for his Masters Certificate in ski instruction and mountain hiking. Neither of these two men would have been foolish enough to allow the camp to be established anywhere in the path of a possible avalanche.


  • Dubanina’s tongue was not ripped out it was degraded through natural processes

  • The radiation found was inconsequential

  • The area was not sealed off to everyone – only amateur sports groups

  • The case was never classified

  • There are currently no records of any experimental aircraft being tested in the area in 1959

  • There is no evidence (now or then) that the area was used to test weapons. However, this doesn’t rule out secret testing

  • Photographs thought to be missile parts have turned out to be old radar units

  • The mysterious envelope contained only general correspondence

  • Photographs show that any discolouration of the bodies was wholly normal

  • The woman on the train who claimed there were eleven people has turned out to be a very unreliable witness (and a different person altogether).

  • The injuries discovered are explainable and consistent with those that might be expected to occur in a group of desperate and clearly frightened people that had been stumbling around in dangerous conditions in the dark.

  • There is absolutely no substantiated evidence for crashed UFO’s, Concussion Weapons, Mad Mansi or Russian Death Squads.

  • All the physical evidence found at the time and subsequent analysis and testing indicates that there was no avalanche. However, at least one person involved with this case still believes that an avalanche was the cause.

However, these now broadly accepted facts do not diminish the mystery – in a strange way they enhance it. As we have repeatedly said throughout these pages ... Why did nine, experienced and sensible, ski-hikers abandon their tent in such a hurry and in weather conditions that were hostile and almost certain to lead to their deaths? What really happened that night?

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The Aquiziam website explains many of the mysteries and clarifies many of the bad reporting of information, for instance that Dubanina's tongue was not ripped out, but just basically decomposed.

The radiation issue is also mostly explainable as fallout from atomic weapons testing, which was widespread in the USSR.

No UFOs involved here folks.

Edited by Exorcist

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