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Thumbprint of god & PHI

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The Mandelbrot Set has been called the thumbprint of god, and deep in its sequence we see the Golden Spiral, i feel both are connected by fractal geometry and PHI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_spiral

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

A good web-site on the Mandelbrot Set is below, with video's with Arthur C. Clarke:-

http://www.misterx.ca/Mandelbrot_Set---Thumb_Print_of_God.html

I have a great love of geometry....okay also Sacred Geometry ha ha! But perhaps looking for how we were created would be better by math, geometry and FRACTALS, and not as yet peering at the stars!

My other great love is PHI, a good book is "The Story of Phi, the World's most astonishing number" by Mario Livio, who is head of the Space Telescope Science Institute, that operate the Hubble Space Telescope, links below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Livio

http://www.mariolivio.com/more-books-by-mario-livio/

We may wonder if math, geometry and fractals can tell us something about our genesis?

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Carl Sagan based his book Contact on that premise - the book is much better than the movie btw. I agree it is a fascinating number but then I am no mathematician and can't claim to know if it's significance is deeper than "fascinating" tbh.

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Hi libstaK,

I value your comment, the math equation on any of this can change but mean the same thing with PHI, but to translate to Geometry don't think 1.618.....for the average person they need to see visual geometry, so the best equation that means the same as this with PHI is 5^.5*.5+.5..........just get FIVE in your brain!

http://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/

Obviously there is a mystical side to me that wants to find my creator, but my geometry will hold true but only a THEORY in Geometry as we go forward to comments, obviously i have written about this before but i feel this is the best forum for debate, i long for a good natured debate with Harte, but don't want a bulldog thread where all are biting each other, i hope for polite debate!

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Before looking at visual math, we have to look at corrupt religious meaning, the most famous fractal of Phi is THE PENTAGRAM, and there is a lot of corruption here, any society involved in building before skyscrapers will know that geometry was used, so it isn't any wonder that masons are interested in PHI:-

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/golden_ratio/

This explains in symbolism why the Washington Monument is 555 feet and 5 inches tall:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument

It also explains why there is a Pentagram in the street plan of Washington D.C.

So here we must look for religious corruption of math thesis, it was Eliphas Levi that said that an inverted Pentagram was satanic in the 19th Century, this is a corruption!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliphas_Levi

This led to images like below that frighten, however please note i wish no connection to cult below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

The Pentagram as a fractal will go opposite to continue getting smaller by 180* degrees, to get mathematical appraisal we must not be spooked by religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram

You need a fractal geometry eye with shape changing, i only know some of the instructions, without sometimes knowing how shape will turn out!

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Hi Harte,

Like you i'm just a frail human that can make mistakes, we can join in polite debate....i really need your analysis in polite debate, i know geometry as a school master is a pet subject for you!

Have a scotch and reply ha ha!.....in good humour!

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Hi libstaK,

I value your comment, the math equation on any of this can change but mean the same thing with PHI, but to translate to Geometry don't think 1.618.....for the average person they need to see visual geometry, so the best equation that means the same as this with PHI is 5^.5*.5+.5..........just get FIVE in your brain!

http://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/

Obviously there is a mystical side to me that wants to find my creator, but my geometry will hold true but only a THEORY in Geometry as we go forward to comments, obviously i have written about this before but i feel this is the best forum for debate, i long for a good natured debate with Harte, but don't want a bulldog thread where all are biting each other, i hope for polite debate!

I'm not exactly known for "polite debate," but as long as a person doesn't make silly claims, I have no problem with phi.

Math does describne many things - pretty much everything. It's not surprising that we can find a mathematical quantity that describes the way things grow, as phi seems to do (in fact, does quite well with certain things - like the chambered nautilus for example.)

Harte

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Hi Harte,

Thank you for joining this debate about fractal theory and geometry, my first thought on seeing the first sequence of the Mandelbrot set was the big fat CARDIOID, i saw a mirror image to the Golden Spiral in geometry, please comment on diagram below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4647&mode=view

i'm not creating any pressure to reply, i'm just showing the shape changing nature of geometry when you have the eye in geometry!

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Hi Harte,

Thank you for joining this debate about fractal theory and geometry, my first thought on seeing the first sequence of the Mandelbrot set was the big fat CARDIOID, i saw a mirror image to the Golden Spiral in geometry, please comment on diagram below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4647&mode=view

i'm not creating any pressure to reply, i'm just showing the shape changing nature of geometry when you have the eye in geometry!

The Mandelbrot set is shaped sort of like a cardioid, and so is my avatar.

But neither one is an actual cardioid, you know.

Re your pic. You know that Venus' orbit is only an ellipse, right? What you're showing there is the apparent motion of Venus viewed from an Earth perspective. Seems silly to say this obvious thing, but on sites like these, you never know.

Harte

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Obviously an envelope Cardioid can have any number of circles, but by luck i saw something below with an envelope cardioid that had the right number of circles, can you see what i see with PHI?

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cardioid.html

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Hi Harte,

I'm fully aware that the Venus Retrograde motion orbit of this is only seen in symbolism from Earth, but there is another side to this being religious corruption that is already mentioned

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Don't know about that.

But the math of the retrograde motion is perfectly valid, so the shape is there - in the math anyway.

Dude, I've got to go to bed. I gots kids to teach tomorrow and it's midnioght now.

See ya.

Harte

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Dear Harte,

You have no idea how much i respect you in geometry, geometry is only theory in math, by debate we may be valued as "Bozo's" ha ha!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bozo

Lets laugh in debate....it is only geometry math, obviously i come from a different school from you being Metaphysics, hell have a drink and laugh:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

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Posted (edited)

Obviously an envelope Cardioid can have any number of circles, but by luck i saw something below with an envelope cardioid that had the right number of circles, can you see what i see with PHI?

http://mathworld.wol...m/Cardioid.html

Are you suggesting something like this, the orbit of Venus as seen from Earth:

principles.jpg

Venus_pentagram.png

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Dear Harte,

You have no idea how much i respect you in geometry, geometry is only theory in math, by debate we may be valued as "Bozo's" ha ha!

http://www.urbandict...e.php?term=bozo

Lets laugh in debate....it is only geometry math, obviously i come from a different school from you being Metaphysics, hell have a drink and laugh:-

Laugh? I'm far too serious for that, right fellers? :innocent:

I can't debate you if I agree with you Monk. So, say something stupid so I can shoot you down!

Harte

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Hi Abramerlin,

Yes my thesis is that there is a connection to diagram that you have put on thread!

Hi Harte,

we may debate,

obviously we come from different schools, but hold fire as yet, i have a very strange brain in working out patterns, in metaphysics...some may say i have a psychic brain...you will say i'm good in patterns in geometry.....all is just math theory!

Math with phi is a pentagon, Pentagram, Decagon, Dekagram, Golden Spiral in Geometry, doesn't it make your head spin, wouldn't it be great in geometry to get a master Geometry shape without all the countless equations????

I only need one in geometry, changing a dekagram into a cardioid, TWO OPPOSITE PENTAGRAMS. obviously i'm good in geometry, so what only math theory!, but it will show the dodecahedron in 3D=:

As yet Harte i give metaphysics on link below, but be careful in attack, we are both Bozo's ha ha!

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4648&mode=view

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Obviously in Phi all shapes are related to the mighty Dodecahedron in geometry, so how do we link to thumbprint of god being a cardioid?

We go back to the much valued Mathworld link i gave earlier and look at second diagram of an Envelope Cardioid, by luck it has the right amount of circles!

http://mathworld.wol...m/Cardioid.html

I have made second diagram bigger on link, and shows how two opposite pentagrams fit into structure by math geometry theory Phi and Cardioid!...perhaps master key shape?

http://2012forum.com...=4646&mode=view

Edited by monk 56

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Laugh? I'm far too serious for that, right fellers? :innocent:

I can't debate you if I agree with you Monk. So, say something stupid so I can shoot you down!

Harte

stand in line and wait ye turn Mr HArte

:passifier:

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Hi Third Eye,

Love your humour, i'm a goof-ball in geometry ha ha!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/goofball

There are many theories, the one below will take time in our era to know the truth!

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2003/oct/08/is-the-universe-a-dodecahedron

All our geometry math comes from people like PLATO....are we going around in a circle ha ha?

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~snip

There are many theories, the one below will take time in our era to know the truth!

http://physicsworld....-a-dodecahedron

All our geometry math comes from people like PLATO....are we going around in a circle ha ha?

Hey you familiar with this : Plato's Code ?

All thirty books contain

unexcavated layers of meanings. These

not only explain the structure of Plato's

narrative but contain new doctrine and

his positive philosophy. Moreover,

since the symbolic structures are organised musically and

mathematically, they transform our

view of Plato's science. For the first time

we see Plato doing elaborate

calculations. We can show that he was

at the forefront of the advanced mathematics of his day, as some of his

followers said. We learn more about the

Pythagoreans, who are sometimes

credited with pushing Western culture

toward mathematics and science. The

often puzzling history of philosophy after Plato, and especially the repeated claims

that he was a Pythagorean, now make

sense.

http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/jay.kennedy/

http://www.platoscode.com/

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Okay Third Eye,

Please note rules to this thread involving CREATOR....I deal in metaphysics, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Metaphysics

It isn't easy for my good buddy for now to write here, he can take care of himself, we all know that with HARTE, but you don't want us both attacking thread comments in a bull dog way!

Be very careful in approach, as i will join with Harte if things get out of control.....this is only a thinking thread....as Harte is posting, i love it, but forget bulldog, like Conspiracy forum, we will both eat you!

I'm not saying Third Eye that you are like this.....obviously i know what you are saying, but don't attack Harte or thread will go to the dogs!.....He is the only reason i started this thread, don't bite him, make him feel he can post here....we don't want to eat you. but it could happen if you don't seek a Harte point of view, obviously i look to Harte also...you don't want us both biting you!!!!!

Whoopi Do, whatever, pure math equation or geometry, don't get murderous, we are all Bozo's ha ha!

Obviously i know what you saying but is metaphysics, i must allow for Harte, which is my reflection in physics, okay don't be a bulldog.....what is meta-physics?

Perhaps Macrocosm and Microcosm, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia....m_and_microcosm

Please think that pure math doesn't always play out in the real world, but i will give link below:-

http://esciencenews....a.quantum.world

Don't try it on with my frail relationship with Harte, if you go Bull-dog, we will bite you, this is a thinking mans thread and polite!

Edited by monk 56

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Posted (edited)

Obviously i'm not trying to stop people posting, but please do, but say i have found this link, What do you think of this?

I'm not a real bulldog nor is Harte, but i'm only dealing with geometry, i know Harte will find it fascinating, but have no idea if i'm right, obviously math only comes out in the real world SOMETIMES!

But what i show is original to me, whatever metaphysical strange phi findings.....well at least i show my own findings, i stand on my findings!

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My last post in making this an easy way to post......hell astronomers show us many things.....how much do they understand?

Dark Matter is about 96% of the Cosmos, astronomers know nothing about this big dark hole in understanding...is it any wonder i creep back to pure mathematics in this era, where nothing is established???????????????????????????????????????

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Hi Guys,

I don't expect you to reply soon, hell i have opened a big can of worms in pure mathematics, no worries!

But this isn't the only factor with this thread....sorry another can of worms....Religious Corruption of PHI in history, sorry for making you all look like a bulldog chewing a wasp Ha Ha!

I'll start soon. does any have a picture of a bulldog chewing a wasp??Ha Ha! Humour as always!

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I bet you walk around in a white lab coat don't you ?

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