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One World Government - Good or Bad?

One World Government - Good or Bad?   33 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you think a one world government would potentially be a good thing or a bad thing?


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So I'm pretty sure most of you guys are familiar with the conspiracy that the Illuminati are driving the world to having a one world government dictatorship. Not sure on my personal opinion whether the Illuminati exists or not yet but I can't help but feel (and I may be naive here) that a one world government might not be such a bad thing, provided it was democratic and not like how super powers are now (ie. EU, China). Surely it would help us to solve a lot of problems in the world and there would be no more wars (assuming there isn't an alien invasion :alien:)

What's your view on it? Ignoring the whole Illuminati thing, just the idea in general... Do you think the idea of a one world government would be a step in the right or the wrong direction?

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Why?

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Depends on how it gets set up. If it's a dictatorship then yeah it would be bad. However if it was democratic or some kind of big alliance I can see the benefits being on the plus side. It's just when people talk about one world government in a conspiracy context it seems to be automatically evil.

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You say "provided it was democratic", but some people think that the EU is "democratic" even though you do not personally vote for the EU parliament. I don't think it is possible for a system to be non-corruptable and therefor would not like to see a one world government. Can you imagine a world run Assad, Gaddafi or similar? Where there is no "outside" help as the worlds military fall under one government? Where a government can label any group as "terrrorists" and receive global support militarily to crush whatever political movement they disagree with?

So until we have a perfect politcal system (i.e never) we should not have a one world government.

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Depends on how it gets set up. If it's a dictatorship then yeah it would be bad. However if it was democratic or some kind of big alliance I can see the benefits being on the plus side. It's just when people talk about one world government in a conspiracy context it seems to be automatically evil.

I agree with this. I don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing, though for sure there would be potential for things to go sour. But I do think there could be immense benefits of a one world government. May even bring us closer together as people.

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I think it would be a bad thing. If the person in charge was a ruthless dictator there would be no other country to object or have the ability to help the people.

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I'm not sure I buy the dictator argument for against. I just don't see it, I don't think it would practically be able to happen. Not with 7 billion people to control, assuming they were rising against. I would also expect a dissent in the military. Depends what level you're talking about really. Passing laws a majority of people don't want is one thing, suppression is another.

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I'm not sure I buy the dictator argument for against. I just don't see it, I don't think it would practically be able to happen. Not with 7 billion people to control, assuming they were rising against. I would also expect a dissent in the military. Depends what level you're talking about really. Passing laws a majority of people don't want is one thing, suppression is another.

And why would you rise against the government if the only sources of information come from said government?

Its a slippery slope. The UK and Australia (among many other countries) have just introduced laws restricting the media. Continue along this line and soon we will be like China. Google tiananmen square in China and i bet all you'll get is "tiananmen square is a public place in Bejing" and nothing else. If you think you will get free access to verified information, i think you are giving too much credit to carrer politicians.

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I voted bad....

Just look at the EU and imagine that on a larger scale :cry:

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Not a good idea. :td:

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Nah, what if you don't like the government? Where else can you go?

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I don't think it is an either/or situation. I don't think it would be totally good. I don't think it would be totally bad. One thing I know for sure. I do not trust governments anymore. I don't trust religion anymore. If this happens, I won't know for sure who can be trusted and who can't, unless there is a way to intuit it.

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If it's Star Trek one-world government, then probably not so bad.

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The concentration of power results in more abuse of power. A World GOV is a recipe for disaster.

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Google tiananmen square in China and i bet all you'll get is "tiananmen square is a public place in Bejing" and nothing else. If you think you will get free access to verified information, i think you are giving too much credit to carrer politicians.

I know what happened in Tiananmen Square, funny enough, I also get plenty of Google results about it just in case I didn't :whistle: guess the powers that be are doing a bad job at keeping that one from me. And if you don't like the government, well what's the difference between not liking it now? I would assume there would be political parties that would still have to be elected. Not talking a "this is your ruling party, deal with it" approach at it like the EU and China. I think it's sad some people don't see the potential.

Our current way of the world has hardly made life a bed of roses, has it? :w00t:

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I know what happened in Tiananmen Square, funny enough, I also get plenty of Google results about it just in case I didn't :whistle: guess the powers that be are doing a bad job at keeping that one from me. And if you don't like the government, well what's the difference between not liking it now? I would assume there would be political parties that would still have to be elected. Not talking a "this is your ruling party, deal with it" approach at it like the EU and China. I think it's sad some people don't see the potential.

Our current way of the world has hardly made life a bed of roses, has it? :w00t:

Professor Buzzkill meant "Google tiananmen square IN (while in china) China" NOT in england as You are

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Depends on how it gets set up. If it's a dictatorship then yeah it would be bad. However if it was democratic or some kind of big alliance I can see the benefits being on the plus side. It's just when people talk about one world government in a conspiracy context it seems to be automatically evil.

You realize in a democracy Chinese will outvote Americans over three to one.

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The concentration of power results in more abuse of power. A World GOV is a recipe for disaster.

In fact I think the world would be best off with a system of Singapores. Nothing larger than about five million people.

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The concentration of power results in more abuse of power. A World GOV is a recipe for disaster.

^ worth repeating.

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There does need to be a system of international law with some teeth in it, but also with assurances that individual nations can keep their independence. I don't know if human ingenuity could design such a plan, let alone put it in place.

What has evolved recently, a "family of nations" with all sorts of complex and overlapping and interconnecting institutions, seems to be making progress, but I ain't holdin' my breath.

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You realize in a democracy Chinese will outvote Americans over three to one.

A problem but not one impossible to solve. The question of regional representation vs population representation is one that every democracy nation deals with. Solutions were discovered and checks and balances were worked out. I see no reason why a similar situation can be worked out to ensure no one nations or region dominates global policy.

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A problem but not one impossible to solve. The question of regional representation vs population representation is one that every democracy nation deals with. Solutions were discovered and checks and balances were worked out. I see no reason why a similar situation can be worked out to ensure no one nations or region dominates global policy.

When you do things like that it becomes something other than a democracy. I agree, don't aim for democracy, aim for whatever will provide the best government.

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My take on this is very simple: we humans are natural predators. We wouldn't be on the top of the food chain if we didn't want to. But we want to. You want to feel safe by being the strongest, that why more advanced and more destructive weapons are developed, so that no one can't eff with you.

What is good in my opinion in this respect about the world as it is now, is the balance of terror, different countries who aren't really allies have practically equal nuke and military arsenals. Destructive enough at least. But what if only one country had those? There's bound to be people and countries who disagree on one-world government because people are different by nature. Some just bend that way, some just dont. I'm the latter.

And in any case, what would be the situation if there was one world government, ruling over all of us on earth? And if it actually had all the power to rule us like our own governments do? It would be only one dog on top of the food chain then, not several. Who exactly would prevent that dog from eating who they want? Any volunteers except me? Though I know I alone couldn't even take out more than two security guards tops on the long way to the evil dictator's palace...

It's not the best-case scenarios that matter, but worst-case scenarios, because those are more likely to play out when there's humans involved. And it's the ones who would use power to oppress who would use all the means to kill those who might be lucky enough to fall into a position of power and have enough ethical ingerity to actually make things better, for the majority of people and nature. The ruthless ones are the ones who will use ruthless means, make no damn mistake about that. You only need talent and hard work in addition, and good connections, and they'll have that. And if you become ruthless too, can you maintain a spine while at it?

Also, I wouldn't know, but a lot of times it sounds like democracy would mean it can only be ultimately good thing, a road to good things, according to some. I doubt it. Democracy is only tyranny by those who get voted by the majority, nothing more. They only have to be more subtle about it and persuade the public, that's the only difference there is between them and the other dictators. Voting is no golden ticket for paradise, it's just a mandate with which you say you're okay with the person who's there doing whatever they want as long as they can maintain their position there. That's how it is. You might think and tell yourself and others it's because of this and that, less taxes more hospitals blabla, but that's the end of the day. They follow their own agenda first and foremost and fulfill their promises only if it's needed to keep them on their chair. That's politics.

And, people just are different. Most of us might want some ultimate goodness, but there's many different views on what that would be. You might be isolationist and naturalist like me, or you might vouch for united people and the road to happiness through technology, or religion or no religion... there's simply too many different views and governments are tied to these things. Because no religion in schools or mixed religion in schools is still just as much a take on religion as having a compulsory religion class in schools. There is no isn't when it comes to that kind of things, just opposites and different ends. Try get muslims to agree on one-world government without making changes to their religious situation (like presenting them a new prophet who tells all religions are one), you can't pull that off so easily.

People are more comfortable when the government supports their thing, whether it's religion, welfare or taxes or whatever. That why it's better to have different countries, so people can take their pick and go to one which they feel is best for them.

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As said, if it were something along the lines of a "Star trek" federation or some sort...it might not be so bad.

I would think that "IF" (and this is a big effing IF) we ever get first contact from an alien species and come to find that there is indeed multiple alien races... "they" would demand the earth be represented in whatever councils they might have...so...that would mean there would almost "have" to be a one world government.

For some reason I just can't imagine a giant council chamber with highly evolved beings being patient as the "earthlings" quarreled over oil, water and food. They would expect a unified voice for the whole planet/species.

Ok...that was the huge "if". No...I do not remotely believe it is ever possible...

Personally, thanks to the greed and corruption in the hearts of humans...we would be screwed in a "one world gov"....I have to vote "bad"

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Good or bad I can't help thinking a 'One World Government' is inevitable so we (probably our descendants) will find out one day...

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