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Croatia gets green light to join EU

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The European Commission gave Croatia a clean bill of health yesterday, meaning the Baltic country will join the EU from July.

Marking the end of Zagreb’s decade-long effort to join mainstream Europe, European Union Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fuele said Croatia had met expectations.

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Another one bites the dust.......

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Croatia has put in a lot of effort these last couple of years, good on them.

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When do the States meet expectaions?

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When do the States meet expectaions?

The United States? :D

Maybe when they're less religion-gun-driven and more rational.

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When do the States meet expectaions?

When they put up their hand & shout 'please lets us join...please please...pretty please' :w00t:

I suspect the Croatian government are already penning a letter......."Er....after careful consideration..etc etc."

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I think something along those lines is in the works. NAFTA and the EU will negotiate some sort of free trade. I would in all honesty advise the Europeans to grab at it if it comes. North America is taking off, no thanks to Obama but thanks to natural gas and easier access to Asia.

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another economic power house joins the exclusive club of also-rans. its just a shame the UK hasn't already left this awful mess, we need a referendum next year. put a block on all EU migration. when the EU fine us for breaking EU rules. we simply pay the fines an extra 2 million to the bill. - because in the long term its better we just repeal the treaty -1972 ECA act making all that followed null and void.

1-in-5 migrants heads to Britain: 566,000 end up in UK in just a YEAR

THE scale of immigration to Britain was exposed last night after it was revealed one-in-five people moving to and around the EU comes here.

Figures released by the European Commission showed that 566,000 migrants arrived in Britain in 2011 alone, the latest available statistic.

It is the highest number in Europe and represents almost 20 per cent of migration from outside and inside the European Union.

Britain is still most popular for those travelling from beyond Europe. And the UK is second only to Germany for migration within the EU.

The shocking league table from Eurostat, the statistical arm of the European Commission, will increase calls for Britain to regain full control of its borders by leaving the EU – a crusade led by the Daily Express.

Ministers have measures in place to radically cut non-European migration. But EU rules ban Britain from shutting out those from elsewhere in Europe.

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I can only assume that after all that has happened surrounding the euro, greece, ireland & cyprus, if after all that they still want to join then things must be very bad in croatia.

Wonder what they are bringing to the 'party'.

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I think something along those lines is in the works. NAFTA and the EU will negotiate some sort of free trade. I would in all honesty advise the Europeans to grab at it if it comes. North America is taking off, no thanks to Obama but thanks to natural gas and easier access to Asia.

EU and US free-trade talks launched

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=242944&st=0&p=4684946&hl=+us%20+europe%20+tradeentry4684946

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another economic power house joins the exclusive club of also-rans. its just a shame the UK hasn't already left this awful mess, we need a referendum next year. put a block on all EU migration. when the EU fine us for breaking EU rules. we simply pay the fines an extra 2 million to the bill. - because in the long term its better we just repeal the treaty -1972 ECA act making all that followed null and void.

1-in-5 migrants heads to Britain: 566,000 end up in UK in just a YEAR

THE scale of immigration to Britain was exposed last night after it was revealed one-in-five people moving to and around the EU comes here.

Figures released by the European Commission showed that 566,000 migrants arrived in Britain in 2011 alone, the latest available statistic.

It is the highest number in Europe and represents almost 20 per cent of migration from outside and inside the European Union.

Britain is still most popular for those travelling from beyond Europe. And the UK is second only to Germany for migration within the EU.

The shocking league table from Eurostat, the statistical arm of the European Commission, will increase calls for Britain to regain full control of its borders by leaving the EU – a crusade led by the Daily Express.

Ministers have measures in place to radically cut non-European migration. But EU rules ban Britain from shutting out those from elsewhere in Europe.

The world is too small for a nation to exist in isolation, UK leaving the EU would be worse than stupid. Our economy would collaspe. The future lies in a global world, first step on that ladder is a EU state.

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The world is too small for a nation to exist in isolation, UK leaving the EU would be worse than stupid. Our economy would collaspe. The future lies in a global world, first step on that ladder is a EU state.

Really??

So our schools over flowing,our hospitals struggling to cope with the amount of people needing treatment and not enough jobs to go around are all good things are they??

How about the £50 million a day minimum it costs us to be part of the EU? Don't think we could find a better use for this money?

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Croatia gets green light to join EU

Poor Croatia. It's a shame as it's such a beautiful country.

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Poor Croatia. It's a shame as it's such a beautiful country.

I’m glad you like my land. It's not Baltic country, as you certainly know but authors of the article don't :D Croatia is just below Austria and Hungary or looking from Italy, right there, across Adriatic sea. It truly is beautiful and its nature is quite preserved.

Everything else is wrong, falling or has already fallen apart :lol: I could lie, but what would be the point? Is it a disaster over here? Yes, it is.

But.

The way I see it: we must hit the rock bottom before we can go up again. The economy is ruined, production devastated (intentionally), resources in danger to be sold.

If we continue isolated, outside EU, we’ll never get up again. We need investments and – to be honest again – professionals who can run business and make sure the investments won’t end up in private pockets. We need EU to poke its nose into our “family affairs” – anything that goes on over here is family affair and that is one of the main reasons why we can’t go forward.

Those in EU who are afraid (well, rightfully) of another immigration wave – don’t worry, people. There are 4 and half million people in Croatia. Even if we’d all collectively pack our bags and hit the borders, you still wouldn’t notice us in the migrating masses.

And I guarantee you there won’t be any exodus. Majority of people who wanted to emigrate already did it.

Joining EU has great symbolic value for most of older Croats. We remember different times and it means a lot to us that we are coming home to Europe.

In a way, I can die happy now. It was similar with entering NATO.

So, there’s nothing economical or political in Croatia that can possibly worsen with joining EU. I even trust EU will help substitute tribalism with sane methods of running business or country. I’m tired of retarded local politician’s nephews grabbing money out of dying factories with both unwashed hands. May someone put an end to it, even if it means shutting every-****en-thing down and starting all over again. We can’t restart on our own, not because we lack natural resources or able people, we can’t because there are morons in the key positions.

(Corruption is lesser problem, the real problem is that Croatian corrupted mob is mostly stupid. They don’t just steal a little milk, they are killing milking cows they obtained in criminal “pretvorba” – process of privatisation, when what was the property of the people in socialism was given to chosen members of HDZ party. Our businessmen have not developed their companies, they were given those companies for literally nothing so they don’t run them, they abuse them. Etc. Sorry for the rant, it's something that ruined my future so I simply had to mention it.)

I also hope we won’t be the straw that broke EU camel’s back.

Of course, my hopes are completely irrelevant, only time will tell.

So far, I’m just happy we fought out of eastern sphere, tooth and nail. We can be a little hungry for a while longer if that’s the price. I’m fine with that :D

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well at least we can look forward to some proper good cheeses in the market

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After Cyprus why would they even contemplate joining the EU.

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After Cyprus why would they even contemplate joining the EU.

I strongly suggest you, and the other baffled ones here, read Helen Of Annoys very explanatory post over and over again until you get it.

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well at least we can look forward to some proper good cheeses in the market

:D Wine is more than decent too.

After Cyprus why would they even contemplate joining the EU.

Because of everything else but the money. See my rant on page 1 if you're in the mood for more details.

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professionals who can run business and make sure the investments won’t end up in private pockets

IMO be very afraid of this. The investments will wind up in Big Pockets as has been proven over and over around the globe. I can cite many examples of this if needed. Not all EU related as thats not really my place to care so much.

Joining EU has great symbolic value for most of older Croats. We remember different times and it means a lot to us that we are coming home to Europe.

National identity is important but shouldnt be tied to joining an organization. Again caution eating the worm as it may have a hook attached to it. But I am glad that you feel pride in joining the "western world" again. Im not really sure why you didnt already get that sense after the war. You earned that much after said event.

Joining EU has great symbolic value for most of older Croats. We remember different times and it means a lot to us that we are coming home to Europe.

It sounds like corruption is rampant in Croatia. The EU will not rid you of this. It will only exploit it and switch the pockets that are getting lined IMO.

But I would like to add if thats what the people there want then more power to them. I hope I never to turn around and say I cautionarily warned you Helen.

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Really??

So our schools over flowing,our hospitals struggling to cope with the amount of people needing treatment and not enough jobs to go around are all good things are they??

How about the £50 million a day minimum it costs us to be part of the EU? Don't think we could find a better use for this money?

Ok, so lets imagine we are not in the EU.

1. The import costs and tarrifs we pay on food from EU nations would be much higher. We cannot phyisically feed our population, we dont have enough arable land.

2. We would lose status on the world socio-political and economic stage, our threats would lose weight, our ability to bargin and hold our own would be diminshed without the inherant backing being part of a larger organisation.

3. The costs of our citizens going to the EU becomes more expensive, bye bye cheap holidays to spain, welcome back Bognor and Blackpool.

4. Without the influx of young people from other nations having children our nation would be an aging one, in 20 years or so we would not by physically capable of paying pensions for example, the economy would stagnate as the burden of care increased.

You propose what exactly? Fortress Britain? Pill Box's on the white cliff and an isolationist attitude? North Korea has done brilliantly with such methods.

The world is too small, lets fast forward 200 years shall we. What kind of world do you expect your great great granchildren to live in? Can you really imagine HUNDREDS of little nations? To all intents and purposes the world is divided into powers.

1. USA.

2. South America.

3. Europe.

4. India

5. China.

6. Asian Tiger Economies, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Malasia, Phillapines, Singapore etc

Over time they will get less and less, until there is either one or two I think.

Everyone freaks out about losing cultural identity, identity is retained. I am from South London, I am a Londener, I am also English, and British and a European Citizen. Being part of somthig bigger does not detract from who I am or where I come from, indeed i enriches it.

If im honest i encounter more rampant racism and fear-mongering from British people in day to day life than I can readily comprehend. It makes me ashamed to be British.

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They want to join the EU? Haven't they been paying attention to Greece, Italy, Spain, and most importantly, Cyprus?

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They want to join the EU? Haven't they been paying attention to Greece, Italy, Spain, and most importantly, Cyprus?

There econs failed because they managed them with a total disregard for skill, good practics and ethics. Not because they were a part of the EU.

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I would wait and watch to see how things play out. Give it about 5 more years at least, then if everything turns around, sure, join up.

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There econs failed because they managed them with a total disregard for skill, good practics and ethics. Not because they were a part of the EU.

Now were talking chicken and eggs. Itleast I dont have data on these countries from before they joined EU but from afar they seemed to be doing just fine.

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Now were talking chicken and eggs. Itleast I dont have data on these countries from before they joined EU but from afar they seemed to be doing just fine.

Thats like saying "Dave was healthy untill he started wearing red sweat shirts, ten years after he began he died, therefore red sweatshirts killed him and should never be worn by anyone"

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