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So are you saying every nut in the world should be allowed to have a nuclear bomb. I think Kim Jong Un is a nut and shouldn't be trusted with one.

He is flexing his power muscle. He has no backing. Kim Jong is a catfish all mouth no brains

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The fact that this is your opinion of our country means nothing more than that - it is your opinion. I get tired of the hate America first crowd. It's kind of like jumping on the band wagon and takes no real moral courage. America is no worse than any other country would be with the same amount of power. In fact I suspect the world would be CONSIDERABLY more distressed if the Chinese or Soviet had been the last one standing. But for some, America can do nothing right - regardless. Whatever....

The only reason countries like our's get away with killing now millions of innocent people all over the world, is cause of folks like you and your "morals". Like we should back unjustified undeclared illegal war cause you want to pump your fist in the air and say the good guys won. It takes alot more moral courage to take a look in the mirror and take responcibility for the reasons everyone hates us.

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The US wasn't the one that's been making threats. The North Koreans have said they would like to send a nuclear bomb to Washington and have been testing them. What should the US do let them bomb us and the South Koreans and just sit by and watch.

For one to understand the NK, SK and US problem, you have to go a lot further back that "threatening". It's all stupid BS that goes as far back as the US taking SK and Russia taking NK. If you want to know who caused the divide it was the US and Russia. Russia has clearly fecked off and left NK to their own but the US has always had it's foot in Korea. The US wants NK because it want the whole of Korea as a stronger foothold in Asia/the pacific. NK wants one Korea. The US is pretty much paying SK not to become united by supplying them with weapons, military tech and many other supplies.

Japan lost Korea in WW2 it was divided between Russia (NK) and the US (SK).... Now Russia left NK. Just like Russia and the US left Germany and let their country become 1 entity again instead of being divided. (Berlin wall etc) Now the thing is, the US won't leave SK. Because it's too good of a position to have in the pacific. Germany was alright as they became allied to the UK and US being in Europe.

So what gives the US the right to hold onto SK and cause divide between what should be 1 country?! Do you really think that the people of both SK and NK would be too scared to rise against an evil Leader if they where truly that bad?! Do you not think that Korea should be treated int he same way Germany was?!

So now answer the question, who is really causing trouble in the region?!

The UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and a lawyer...... Can you get anymore corrupt?

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The point is that he now has the bomb. IF he is allowed to coerce the world into continuing to feed his military then where does it end? I agree that the sanctions are useless. But if NO restraints are put in place he might decide (if he hasn't already) to make money for his pathetic, backward country by exporting nuclear and missile technology to the highest bidder. Just to be "fair", you know?

Great, then here is what you do, you go before congress and make a case for war. You vote on it and let the cards fall where they may. You cant take away peoples means to survive then pretend you are a innocent victom of a bully. Sanctions are an act of war, yet no war has been declared. Im not against removing a nuclear NK threat. I just see through the BS games they play, and the propaganda they use to get away with it.

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The US wasn't the one that's been making threats. The North Koreans have said they would like to send a nuclear bomb to Washington and have been testing them. What should the US do let them bomb us and the South Koreans and just sit by and watch.

For one to understand the NK, SK and US problem, you have to go a lot further back that "threatening". It's all stupid BS that goes as far back as the US taking SK and Russia taking NK. If you want to know who caused the divide it was the US and Russia. Russia has clearly fecked off and left NK to their own but the US has always had it's foot in Korea. The US wants NK because it want the whole of Korea as a stronger foothold in Asia/the pacific. NK wants one Korea. The US is pretty much paying SK not to become united by supplying them with weapons, military tech and many other supplies.

Japan lost Korea in WW2 it was divided between Russia (NK) and the US (SK).... Now Russia left NK. Just like Russia and the US left Germany and let their country become 1 entity again instead of being divided. (Berlin wall etc) Now the thing is, the US won't leave SK. Because it's too good of a position to have in the pacific. Germany was alright as they became allied to the UK and US being in Europe.

So what gives the US the right to hold onto SK and cause divide between what should be 1 country?! Do you really think that the people of both SK and NK would be too scared to rise against an evil Leader if they where truly that bad?! Do you not think that Korea should be treated int he same way Germany was?!

So now answer the question, who is really causing trouble in the region?!

The UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and a lawyer...... Can you get anymore corrupt?

So are you saying every nut in the world should be allowed to have a nuclear bomb. I think Kim Jong Un is a nut and shouldn't be trusted with one.

Israel Government believes in a prophecy and are doing everything in their power to make it come true, including mass genocide to a race./religion and they have nukes and the US is allied with them....

Also if the US government cared for people suffering etc then why have they never helped Africa.

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Well you are abit behind, they already did that ... there was even an article on Daily mail showing how they are traning togather with SK troops and in case of war, US troops will take over the command of SK forces. There are around 28.000 troops there and i guess more will be delivered.

No no, i know there are US troops which will be steam rolled by North Korean forces. I'm talking additional troops. The us forces in the region have been there since the cease fire.

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You mean American allies like, uh, China? Russia? Pakistan? I suppose the "fair" thing to do is to share them with everyone? God help us if the education system gets any more liberal.

I'd rather our countries weren't hypocrites, actually. If we got rid of our own weapons and THEN enforced nobody else allowed them, I'd fully support any action that had to be taken against countries like North Korea and Iran.

I'd classify myself as a liberal person, yes. I do enjoy freedom and fairness. Do you have a problem with that?

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For one to understand the NK, SK and US problem, you have to go a lot further back that "threatening". It's all stupid BS that goes as far back as the US taking SK and Russia taking NK. If you want to know who caused the divide it was the US and Russia. Russia has clearly fecked off and left NK to their own but the US has always had it's foot in Korea. The US wants NK because it want the whole of Korea as a stronger foothold in Asia/the pacific. NK wants one Korea. The US is pretty much paying SK not to become united by supplying them with weapons, military tech and many other supplies.

Japan lost Korea in WW2 it was divided between Russia (NK) and the US (SK).... Now Russia left NK. Just like Russia and the US left Germany and let their country become 1 entity again instead of being divided. (Berlin wall etc) Now the thing is, the US won't leave SK. Because it's too good of a position to have in the pacific. Germany was alright as they became allied to the UK and US being in Europe.

So what gives the US the right to hold onto SK and cause divide between what should be 1 country?! Do you really think that the people of both SK and NK would be too scared to rise against an evil Leader if they where truly that bad?! Do you not think that Korea should be treated int he same way Germany was?!

So now answer the question, who is really causing trouble in the region?!

The UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and a lawyer...... Can you get anymore corrupt?

What gives the US the "right" to be in SK? How about the fact that SK WANTS them there and allows it. God forbid the US has an ally! That's just plain evil, having friends.

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Of course! The US is NEVER justified to do anything. It is and always will be the fault of America, no matter what happens in the world. Just sayin' :w00t:

Like if Kim parked huge offensive weapons right off our border in Mexico somewhere, we wouldn't be blaming him for that or anything, it'd just be our fault. Righto.

What in the world are we flying our pie-in-the-sky technology to Korea for? I'd order those planes back immediately. I wouldn't want a single Korean sticking his head inside a single panel of that thing. I don't care that the ones south of the magic line are friendly with our bureaucrats at the moment. B-2s can hit North Korea from the United States, certainly from Alaska. WTF is Obama doing???

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For one to understand the NK, SK and US problem, you have to go a lot further back that "threatening". It's all stupid BS that goes as far back as the US taking SK and Russia taking NK. If you want to know who caused the divide it was the US and Russia. Russia has clearly fecked off and left NK to their own but the US has always had it's foot in Korea. The US wants NK because it want the whole of Korea as a stronger foothold in Asia/the pacific. NK wants one Korea. The US is pretty much paying SK not to become united by supplying them with weapons, military tech and many other supplies.

Japan lost Korea in WW2 it was divided between Russia (NK) and the US (SK).... Now Russia left NK. Just like Russia and the US left Germany and let their country become 1 entity again instead of being divided. (Berlin wall etc) Now the thing is, the US won't leave SK. Because it's too good of a position to have in the pacific. Germany was alright as they became allied to the UK and US being in Europe.

So what gives the US the right to hold onto SK and cause divide between what should be 1 country?! Do you really think that the people of both SK and NK would be too scared to rise against an evil Leader if they where truly that bad?! Do you not think that Korea should be treated int he same way Germany was?!

So now answer the question, who is really causing trouble in the region?!

The UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and a lawyer...... Can you get anymore corrupt?

So you are saying that SK is being paid off by the US not to join with North Korea? As it stands the only way NK will Unite with the South is for the South to be annexed by the North, destroying the South as it is. The South Koreans wont stand for a United Korea under the North.

The only reason the United States Military is in South Korea is because the South Korean Government and the US have a Military Alliance and have requested the presence of the United States Military.

The South wants to be United with the North but under there terms.

~Thanato

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Like if Kim parked huge offensive weapons right off our border in Mexico somewhere, we wouldn't be blaming him for that or anything, it'd just be our fault. Righto.

Interesting you say that... That's exactly what NK has done to our ally, SK. Guess it is alright to blame him after all.

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I'd rather our countries weren't hypocrites, actually. If we got rid of our own weapons and THEN enforced nobody else allowed them, I'd fully support any action that had to be taken against countries like North Korea and Iran.

I'd classify myself as a liberal person, yes. I do enjoy freedom and fairness. Do you have a problem with that?

Did you actually read what you just wrote? It's the equivalent of throwing your gun in the sea and demanding the other guy do the same or else. So the question is - or else,what? It's a fundamental of human nature that evil exists and that some people and countries cannot be reasoned with. 1930's Germany comes to mind as well as the old Soviet Union. And I will respectfully add that the very reason you HAVE the luxury of enjoying freedom and fairness is that others fought and remain willing to fight to provide it to you. That is a reality that no amount of idealism will replace.
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Did you actually read what you just wrote? It's the equivalent of throwing your gun in the sea and demanding the other guy do the same or else. So the question is - or else,what? It's a fundamental of human nature that evil exists and that some people and countries cannot be reasoned with. 1930's Germany comes to mind as well as the old Soviet Union. And I will respectfully add that the very reason you HAVE the luxury of enjoying freedom and fairness is that others fought and remain willing to fight to provide it to you. That is a reality that no amount of idealism will replace.

Well there's nothing stopping us disarming these nations and then disarming ourselves and THEN policing the world, no? What makes us the "good guys" in this? Why do we get to have these weapons and then pick and choose who else can have them?

Thank you for the history lesson, indeed people died so I could live in a world of freedom and fairness. Again, do you have a problem with me taking a liberal outlook on the world? I'll assume you're a republican, what a great job George Bush did at making the world a better place.

Obama is asking for a war and frankly I'm tired of them, always because we stick our noses in where it doesn't belong. Enough people have died in the past decade because of pointless wars over who has the biggest toys.

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It'll be a sad day in history when we drop a nuclear bomb on one of these nations. Just a matter of time.

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So you are saying that SK is being paid off by the US not to join with North Korea? As it stands the only way NK will Unite with the South is for the South to be annexed by the North, destroying the South as it is. The South Koreans wont stand for a United Korea under the North.

The only reason the United States Military is in South Korea is because the South Korean Government and the US have a Military Alliance and have requested the presence of the United States Military.

The South wants to be United with the North but under there terms.

~Thanato

The SK government benefits from the US government and the banking systems etc, nothing to do with SK people or US people. SK wants to be like the US and I understand why NK doesn't want that. SK only wants it because the government shares the same view as the US government, nothing to do with the people of SK. It's all about the government and their rich friends. It's hilarious how people don't see this. But then it's the same people who don't see it happening in our governments with our false freedom and enslavement.

If the majority of people in the west actually understood it all, they would probably have wanted Gaddafi over our governments. What people want and what governments want are 2 completely different things... Sadly as that is not what it's supposed to be like.

What gives the US the "right" to be in SK? How about the fact that SK WANTS them there and allows it. God forbid the US has an ally! That's just plain evil, having friends.

SK didn't want them there in the first place. They wanted their own country. Friends? lol The governments are friends cause they are all rich together. Nothing to do with what the people want.

Did you actually read what you just wrote? It's the equivalent of throwing your gun in the sea and demanding the other guy do the same or else. So the question is - or else,what? It's a fundamental of human nature that evil exists and that some people and countries cannot be reasoned with. 1930's Germany comes to mind as well as the old Soviet Union. And I will respectfully add that the very reason you HAVE the luxury of enjoying freedom and fairness is that others fought and remain willing to fight to provide it to you. That is a reality that no amount of idealism will replace.

What a load of BS.

I agree during WW2 that they fought for our freedom, but not 1 war has been about that since. Not on the western side anyway.

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No no, i know there are US troops which will be steam rolled by North Korean forces. I'm talking additional troops. The us forces in the region have been there since the cease fire.

Oh i missunderstood, well yes i bet there will be more flown in, sometime soon same goes for naval forces if you ask me.

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B-2s can hit North Korea from the United States, certainly from Alaska. WTF is Obama doing???

prepping for China meanwhile Russia hits US , wouldnt that be a worldwide chaos xD. Obama is crazy anyway... he is currently public enemy no.1 and biggest threat to world peace...

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And the usual suspects ignore history and reality in a pathetic effort to blame American for every bad thing that has every happened. Sad.

You don't like American foreign policy, fine. But in the case of North Korea they haven't done a damn thing wrong. Time and time again the US has tried to improve relations only to have NK flip out and try to start a war. They are the aggressers, not the US and not SK. Hell China is working with the US to get North Korea to calm the hell down. For anyone to support the Norks over...anyone is a sign they're in their own little world.

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What if Kimmy boi has a secret ace, and he is provoking with purpose? Some Korean dude building/creating something right there in backwater of US? That could work since all eyes are on NK...

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For one to understand the NK, SK and US problem, you have to go a lot further back that "threatening". It's all stupid BS that goes as far back as the US taking SK and Russia taking NK. If you want to know who caused the divide it was the US and Russia. Russia has clearly fecked off and left NK to their own but the US has always had it's foot in Korea. The US wants NK because it want the whole of Korea as a stronger foothold in Asia/the pacific. NK wants one Korea. The US is pretty much paying SK not to become united by supplying them with weapons, military tech and many other supplies.

Japan lost Korea in WW2 it was divided between Russia (NK) and the US (SK).... Now Russia left NK. Just like Russia and the US left Germany and let their country become 1 entity again instead of being divided. (Berlin wall etc) Now the thing is, the US won't leave SK. Because it's too good of a position to have in the pacific. Germany was alright as they became allied to the UK and US being in Europe.

So what gives the US the right to hold onto SK and cause divide between what should be 1 country?! Do you really think that the people of both SK and NK would be too scared to rise against an evil Leader if they where truly that bad?! Do you not think that Korea should be treated int he same way Germany was?!

So now answer the question, who is really causing trouble in the region?!

The UN was founded by 2 American Presidents and a lawyer...... Can you get anymore corrupt?

The Chinese thought the sanctions were a good idea too. Maybe the UN was started by the US but we don't run it.
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The Chinese thought the sanctions were a good idea too. Maybe the UN was started by the US but we don't run it.

"We"... The US people don't have a say in anything.

The UN is run by the same people who own the US government. Whoever has control of the money, owns the country or organization. The same people who run the US, run the UN.

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SK didn't want them there in the first place. They wanted their own country. Friends? lol The governments are friends cause they are all rich together. Nothing to do with what the people want.

SK can kick them out any time.,, but they're not doing it because they want the USs Protection. That's why try signed a treaty to defend SK... The SK government can chose whoever they want to be friends with, and they chose the US. Furthermore, the people elected the SK government, so by extension, this is what they want.

Regardless... The US government deals with the SK government, not the SK people. If the SK people are opposed to what their government wants, that is not the USs fault

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Well there's nothing stopping us disarming these nations and then disarming ourselves and THEN policing the world, no? What makes us the "good guys" in this? Why do we get to have these weapons and then pick and choose who else can have them?

Thank you for the history lesson, indeed people died so I could live in a world of freedom and fairness. Again, do you have a problem with me taking a liberal outlook on the world? I'll assume you're a republican, what a great job George Bush did at making the world a better place.

Obama is asking for a war and frankly I'm tired of them, always because we stick our noses in where it doesn't belong. Enough people have died in the past decade because of pointless wars over who has the biggest toys.

There is a treaty of non-proliferation in place which is designed to prevent any nation that currently does not have nuclear weapons to prevent them from developing them, in the case of North Korea this treaty did not work, as I do not believe they are a signatory. If the US decided one day out of the blue to disarm and destroy it's nuclear arsenal and China and Russia didn't they would be put at a great disadvantage in every aspect of the world stage. Then you state that the United States should then force other nations to disarm or not develop weapons... then you state that you are against war. The only way the United States could disarm a number of nations and prevent others from developing them is to go to war.

North Korea is the one beating the war drum not South Korea or The United States. What is currently taking place is a game of Chess. The North makes a move and the south/us counter. North Korea is the one beating the War Drum. they are the only ones to have attacked the other since the ceasefire has taken place on multiple occasions. The US and SK need to be prepared in case of a North Korean attack.

~Thanato

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SK can kick them out any time.,, but they're not doing it because they want the USs Protection. That's why try signed a treaty to defend SK... The SK government can chose whoever they want to be friends with, and they chose the US. Furthermore, the people elected the SK government, so by extension, this is what they want.

Regardless... The US government deals with the SK government, not the SK people. If the SK people are opposed to what their government wants, that is not the USs fault

Can they really though?!

Who owns their central bank?

In this situation, discussions raged across the country on establishing a central bank for the Republic of Korea and Dr. A. I. Bloomfield, dispatched from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, drafted the Bank of Korea Act.

So a privately owned bank (yes you currency is not owned by the US but a private bank, they control your countries money) just sends someone out to help the Korean bank, was it out of the kindness of their hearts?

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What if Kimmy boi has a secret ace, and he is provoking with purpose? Some Korean dude building/creating something right there in backwater of US? That could work since all eyes are on NK...

A possibility but unlikely. Even if he had something going on State side I can't think of anything that would be a big game changer. Any kind of conflict ends with the North getting slapped silly by either the South or China. Honestly in any kind of war I think the US would be in a mostly supportive role with the South doing most of the work. Provided China doesn't launch their own invasion.

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