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Stealth bombers sent to S. Korea

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Can they really though?!

Who owns their central bank?

So a privately owned bank (yes you currency is not owned by the US but a private bank, they control your countries money) just sends someone out to help the Korean bank, was it out of the kindness of their hearts?

Yea they can. if the SK government decided one day "Yanks get out!" The US would have to leave or face Military action by the South. The South wont do that as there is a force which could destroy the south directly north of them, and the fact that the US is probably the only reason there hasn't been a flare up of the war between 1953 and now.

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Yea they can. if the SK government decided one day "Yanks get out!" The US would have to leave or face Military action by the South. The South wont do that as there is a force which could destroy the south directly north of them, and the fact that the US is probably the only reason there hasn't been a flare up of the war between 1953 and now.

Oh really, so the the fact that the SK's money and the US's money comes from the exact same source would not stop SK doing that no? You really think governments have that much power? lol If governments have that much power, then please explain the state of the economy and hwy the government hasn't fixed it.

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There is a treaty of non-proliferation in place which is designed to prevent any nation that currently does not have nuclear weapons to prevent them from developing them, in the case of North Korea this treaty did not work, as I do not believe they are a signatory. If the US decided one day out of the blue to disarm and destroy it's nuclear arsenal and China and Russia didn't they would be put at a great disadvantage in every aspect of the world stage. Then you state that the United States should then force other nations to disarm or not develop weapons... then you state that you are against war. The only way the United States could disarm a number of nations and prevent others from developing them is to go to war.

North Korea is the one beating the war drum not South Korea or The United States. What is currently taking place is a game of Chess. The North makes a move and the south/us counter. North Korea is the one beating the War Drum. they are the only ones to have attacked the other since the ceasefire has taken place on multiple occasions. The US and SK need to be prepared in case of a North Korean attack.

~Thanato

No, no.. I didn't say I'm against war. I'm not exactly pro war, and like everybody I would hope to avoid it for the rest of human history if it were possible, but if it's absolutely necessary, then I will back it. Stopping Hitler? I would have been for that. I could in good faith support my troops risking their lives to stop a man like that. I would back military action against North Korea if it we didn't have the weapons and nobody was allowed them. Where do we get off telling another sovereign nation what they can and can't do? Didn't we get told Iraq had WMDs too? That justified the death of thousands (not just soldiers) and there was NOTHING there, just a ton of oil for us to take control of. That's not worth the death toll.

I'm more than sure that Russia and China would be willing to disarm if we were. Can you not see what will happen if we don't disarm? The entire world is going to have nuclear weapons pointed at every other nation and we will never grasp the fact that we're one world and one people.

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Oh really, so the the fact that the SK's money and the US's money comes from the exact same source would not stop SK doing that no? You really think governments have that much power? lol If governments have that much power, then please explain the state of the economy and hwy the government hasn't fixed it.

I'm not an expert in matters of the economy.

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No, no.. I didn't say I'm against war. I'm not exactly pro war, and like everybody I would hope to avoid it for the rest of human history if it were possible, but if it's absolutely necessary, then I will back it. Stopping Hitler? I would have been for that. I could in good faith support my troops risking their lives to stop a man like that. I would back military action against North Korea if it we didn't have the weapons and nobody was allowed them. Where do we get off telling another sovereign nation what they can and can't do? Didn't we get told Iraq had WMDs too? That justified the death of thousands (not just soldiers) and there was NOTHING there, just a ton of oil for us to take control of. That's not worth the death toll.

I'm more than sure that Russia and China would be willing to disarm if we were. Can you not see what will happen if we don't disarm? The entire world is going to have nuclear weapons pointed at every other nation and we will never grasp the fact that we're one world and one people.

China wont disarm and neither would Russia.

We can 'get off' by telling North Korea that developing nuclear weapons is detrimental. 1 North Korea currently is the most likely nation to use them. Even India and Pakistan aren't that stupid.

The development of Nuclear Weapons by states which did not have them a few years ago is the worst thing that could happen and could pose to destabilize the regions of the world.

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"We"... The US people don't have a say in anything.

The UN is run by the same people who own the US government. Whoever has control of the money, owns the country or organization. The same people who run the US, run the UN.

I think you could say that about any government including the UK.
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China wont disarm and neither would Russia.

We can 'get off' by telling North Korea that developing nuclear weapons is detrimental. 1 North Korea currently is the most likely nation to use them. Even India and Pakistan aren't that stupid.

The development of Nuclear Weapons by states which did not have them a few years ago is the worst thing that could happen and could pose to destabilize the regions of the world.

How do you know China and Russia wouldn't disarm? Have we had this discussion with them? Why is North Korea most likely to use them? Because the media said so? If India and Pakistan aren't stupid enough to use them, why fork out billions to arm in the first place when that money could have been spent for the benefit of their people? Tell me then, what is the purpose of having these weapons? And don't say a nuclear deterrent because nobody is going to ever use them (you say) and we're stopping anybody else making them...

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A possibility but unlikely. Even if he had something going on State side I can't think of anything that would be a big game changer. Any kind of conflict ends with the North getting slapped silly by either the South or China. Honestly in any kind of war I think the US would be in a mostly supportive role with the South doing most of the work. Provided China doesn't launch their own invasion.

I agree but still what if... He uses bio agent or spread some sort of virus... he is crazy enough based on their releases of those fail clips..

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Oh really, so the the fact that the SK's money and the US's money comes from the exact same source would not stop SK doing that no? You really think governments have that much power? lol If governments have that much power, then please explain the state of the economy and hwy the government hasn't fixed it.

Yeah yeah yeah. Here we go again. The central bankers control absolutely everything, down to troop movements. Right.

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I'm not an expert in matters of the economy.

~Thanato

Well money controls the government, so perhaps you should learn about it before you can comment on government decisions.

This is a good place to start:

I think you could say that about any government including the UK.

Would never deny that. The UK government has been enslaved by that system since the Civil war in the US. It was the freedom that the Patriots where fighting for and now as a complete disrespect to those that fought for Americas freedom the system they fought against was established there.

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I'm not an expert in matters of the economy.

~Thanato

Well money controls the government, so perhaps you should learn about it before you can comment on government decisions.

This is a good place to start:

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I think you could say that about any government including the UK.

Would never deny that. The UK government has been enslaved by that system since the Civil war in the US. It was the freedom that the Patriots where fighting for and now as a complete disrespect to those that fought for Americas freedom the system they fought against was established there.

Yeah yeah yeah. Here we go again. The central bankers control absolutely everything, down to troop movements. Right.

Prove it wrong then? If it was not the case then why do they own 95% of the worlds wealth and why do they add debt to the money they print for the government... You should not be able to do that, it was against the constitution and everything the patriots fought for. lol

If you don't think they do then you need to educate yourself. The people of a country should control it's money through the government. Not a privately owned bank, if you can't see that's wrong then there is no hope for you.

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Although I don't believe the banks control our troops they do control a lot and caused lots of problems with economies around the world.

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Well money controls the government, so perhaps you should learn about it before you can comment on government decisions.

This is a good place to start:

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Prove it wrong then?

You're the one that made the claim. Prove to me that the bankers are the ones controlling troop movements. Go on.

If it was not the case then why do they own 95% of the worlds wealth and why do they add debt to the money they print for the government...
because that's the way the system is currently set up. I'm not denying that. What I'm denying is your allegation that heads of state have absolutely no control over their nations.

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These the same bombers or are we sticking our stick in the hornets nest some more. Who up at the top is getting there jollies at provoking NK should be dragged out and shot. This is not diplomacy nor a detterent to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AAyhYO3XxZA

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You're the one that made the claim. Prove to me that the bankers are the ones controlling troop movements. Go on.

because that's the way the system is currently set up. I'm not denying that. What I'm denying is your allegation that heads of state have absolutely no control over their nations.

It proves it in the above video.

They are the ones who supply the money to buy the weapons, they also have shares and stock in the companies selling the weapons. It's common sense.

They don't otherwise our economy would be fine and o0ur countries wouldn't be in debt to private banks, it shouldn't even be legal. lol

Although I don't believe the banks control our troops they do control a lot and caused lots of problems with economies around the world.

How do they not control the troops?!

We went after Gaddafi cause he refused to sell oil in US dollars, Iran is doing the same and we want them, We did it to Iraq for the same reason and Afghanistan.

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These the same bombers or are we sticking our stick in the hornets nest some more. Who up at the top is getting there jollies at provoking NK should be dragged out and shot. This is not diplomacy nor a detterent to them.

It's called taking part in yearly military games. Reminding North Korea that if they follow through with their threats it would end badly for them. It was noted that these bombers could have taken part in past war games and this is just the first time it's been mentioned. Just because the Norks are more crazy than normal doesn't mean we should murder people.

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Just because the Norks are more crazy than normal doesn't mean we should murder people.

Exactly. B-2's are not a cheap wargame toy btw.

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It proves it in the above video.

I've watched the video already. It proves no such thing.

Arms manufacturers always benefit from war. That doesn't mean they control troop movements and force countries to act in certain ways.

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Here we go again :rolleyes: All we need is another damn war.SK should be built up enough by now to take care of themselves,hell chubby cant even launch a satellite correctly much less reach the mainland US.If they start it fine,if not i hope we stop flexing our muscles their way.

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When the politicians own or have much financial assets tied to the arms manufacturers it does ala Hali-Burton and Cheney. Get real Stellar. There so intertwined now they cant get out of it or the dollar collapses. They NEED WAR to survive. They have to sell guns to Syrian rebels and Al Queda to keep afloat. Welcome to the Ponzi scheme world. Maddoff was a fall guy for a bigger pattern not a lone wolf broker.

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When the politicians own or have much financial assets tied to the arms manufacturers it does ala Hali-Burton and Cheney. Get real Stellar. There so intertwined now they cant get out of it or the dollar collapses. They NEED WAR to survive. They have to sell guns to Syrian rebels and Al Queda to keep afloat. Welcome to the Ponzi scheme world. Maddoff was a fall guy for a bigger pattern not a lone wolf broker.

They need war? They why don't they go to war with NK then?

Get real? The US and SK are trying to deter NK from CAUSING a war.

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Because there not done with Syria

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Because there not done with Syria

No, that's not why. The reason why they don't go to war with NK is because they don't want a war with NK. They've had ample justification as it is to do so. You and Coffey keep acting like the US are the aggressors here when they are clearly not. How much more blatant can it get? NK are threatening SK and the US with a nuclear war, and have committed plenty of acts of war since the Korean war, all of which have been essentially overlooked by the US and the world --- yet you still act like the US is at fault. How deep does your hatred for the US go?

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I am not saying NK is not the aggressor here tbh. Im saying we are doing nothing to deter there aggression. We are playing Cold War with them. See the difference.

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Interesting you say that... That's exactly what NK has done to our ally, SK. Guess it is alright to blame him after all.

60 years ago? Time to start blaming North Korea for that now? That's not what this news story is about. They're both armed at the border, pointing their guns at each other. I have friends who served on that border, the most militarized border on the planet. I have no reason to think any more highly of South Korea than most any other country in the world. They're not worth a dime of taxpayer money like every other country out there that might get a label for how we're supposed to treat them and who we're supposed to blame. SK is about 10x more powerful than NK too, they can defend themselves. It's pretty pathetic that they couldn't resolve their differences in this many years though. We can find much better "allies" than that.

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