Ancient monument in the Sea of Galilee

[docyabut2]

Moses was buried on a mountain outside of Israel, The Torah says that no person can know.

Could it be Moses burial place?

[Abramelin]

Moses was buried on a mountain outside of Israel, The Torah says that no person can know.

Could it be Moses burial place?

Maybe they gave him "concrete shoes" and tossed him into the Dead Sea? Hiding the place by dumping tons of rock on his body?

[cormac mac airt]

Moses was buried on a mountain outside of Israel, The Torah says that no person can know.

Could it be Moses burial place?

Even if it could be shown that Moses was an actual person the area where this structure is located was already under water during his lifetime and had been for thousands of years.

cormac

[SHaYap]

LOL What in the hell is that thing? An alien into S&M?

~snip.

Sorry Boss, standard issue attire of the excavation team, yours is in the trunk ...

okay boys ...

lets SUIT UP and MOVE out !!!!!!

[kmt_sesh]

...

And of course, as per some UMers, since it is in Israel, it must have to be Aliens and Jesus is linked to it.

Yes, but the pertinent question is, was Jesus an early rabbi or...an Annunaki?

Sorry, different discussion.

[PersonFromPorlock]

One point against it's being a ballast dump: from the description, at least some of the stones are too big to be manhandled overboard unless they had some very strong sailors.

Edited April 15, 2013 by PersonFromPorlock

[DeWitz]

I have no expertise in underwater archaeology, but PersonFromPorlock above makes sense when he refers to the size and weight of the stones detected as not being easily manhandled.This collection of rocks is bigger and taller than Stonehenge? That's big. It doesn't mean extraterrestrials, beings from another dimension or the Nephilim are responsible for this particular aquatic architecture (although, scientifically, those options cannot be ruled out). In reviewing the article and previous posts I didn't get a good grasp of how this was discovered (scuba divers? recreational? professional, looking for what?). Apparently it has rested, undetected, for a long time. The Holy Land is full of mysteries buried in histories, and this is yet another. It's fascinating to consider that Jesus may have sailed (or walked?!) right over this more than once in his career. Maybe he helped the Galilean fishermen dump some ballast. Wow. . . It will be interesting to assess the follow-up research.

[docyabut2]

The other Ohalo sites 1and 2 under water are dated around 20,000 years ago, so why would they date this site found only to be around 5,000 years ago? The stones struture was most likey made by the hunters and gathers of those village sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohalo

Edited April 15, 2013 by docyabut2

[Macroramphosis]

I think this is more than likely an unfinished project if it is not a monument or cairn, and if water levels were lower at the time when these stones were positioned I'm wondering whether some chieftain in the past didn't perhaps think a breakwater was a good idea for his little harbour. A brief look on Google shows that historically the winds on Galilee come out of the NW/WNW, and as such would create some fetch as they came down and round that western coast. Some protection for boats moored in that bay would have been a good idea. Looking at the topography it's the right place to start a project like that....... if this is the case who knows what it would have looked like it they'd finished it......

Anyway, just an idea.

[TheSearcher]

Most other articles that I read about it seem to agree with the cairn theory. We would have to assume that at some point this piece of land was not submerged then. I can't really see any ancient people build under water cairns....

[SHaYap]

I have no expertise in underwater archaeology, but PersonFromPorlock above makes sense when he refers to the size and weight of the stones detected as not being easily manhandled.This collection of rocks is bigger and taller than Stonehenge? That's big. It doesn't mean extraterrestrials, beings from another dimension or the Nephilim are responsible for this particular aquatic architecture (although, scientifically, those options cannot be ruled out). I ..... ~snip

its becoming and looking more more a like an ancient ballast dump site to me.

The sea was shallower/water level lower then from what I read, to approach the shallow tide trading ports excess ballast stones were dumped.

"Close inspection by scuba diving revealed that the structure is made of basalt boulders up to 1 m (3.2 feet) long with no apparent construction pattern," the researchers write in their journal article. "The boulders have natural faces with no signs of cutting or chiselling. Similarly, we did not find any sign of arrangement or walls that delineate this structure."

[/left]

~bolded my handiwork

The mass of the entire site collectively is estimated to be bigger than Stonehenge, the individual stones are not .... there's just a lot of the stones piled up, not like they pile up a pyramid in giza or temples in south america ....

~edit : out of habit ///

Edited April 16, 2013 by third_eye

[Harsh86_Patel]

The under water archaeologist, if there are any as there is considerable risk to life and limb for such ventures, seem to have gone on a vacation. There are so many prospective underwater dig sites and sadly very little follow up can be seen. Probably Graham Hancock will dive there and we will get to know more from him,

[SHaYap]

The under water archaeologist, if there are any as there is considerable risk to life and limb for such ventures, seem to have gone on a vacation. There are so many prospective underwater dig sites and sadly very little follow up can be seen. Probably Graham Hancock will dive there and we will get to know more from him,

I think he's getting too old and jaded for that kind of shenanigan ....

[Harsh86_Patel]

I think he's getting too old and jaded for that kind of shenanigan ....

He has dived more then 500 times in various sites, often partially equipped and risked his life and limb multiple times. Hope atleast someone in the mainstream archaeological community will have this sort of enthusiasm.

[SHaYap]

He has dived more then 500 times in various sites, often partially equipped and risked his life and limb multiple times. Hope atleast someone in the mainstream archaeological community will have this sort of enthusiasm.

I am aware of that and I do agree ... but I remember him seeing "martian' cultural connections since he started to explore the under sea sites.

[monk 56]

I don't think we need to go back to ice age when sea levels were lower to date monument, without further evidence i would say no earlier than 3000BC.

Firstly the Sea of Galilee is a lake, and throughout history water levels go up and down, and it is well below sea level anyway, like the dead sea!

The monument is near Tiberias that is approx. 17 miles from Jericho, a region that earthquakes are not unknown and it is thought that a great deal of Alexandria is now under the harbour because of an earthquake!

In 1927 there was an earthquake in that region to give an example:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1927_earthquake_in_Palestine

I have no wish to bring religion into this but archaeologists think that the walls of Jericho fell due to an earthquake, not by the hand of god!

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a011.html

[docyabut2]

Would`nt this sturture be more related to the other Ohalo sites,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohalo

[monk 56]

Hi Docyabut2,

I don't think that the cairn has any relationship to the Ohalo hunter-gatherer site of nearly 20,000 years ago, in England many churches have been built on top of ancient pagan sites, and the fish in the sea of Galilee would have been tempting for people from all ages.

I have yet to see a stone structure cairn that large that has a date earlier than approx. 3000BC.

[docyabut2]

Hi Docyabut2,

I don't think that the cairn has any relationship to the Ohalo hunter-gatherer site of nearly 20,000 years ago, in England many churches have been built on top of ancient pagan sites, and the fish in the sea of Galilee would have been tempting for people from all ages.

I have yet to see a stone structure cairn that large that has a date earlier than approx. 3000BC.

If hunters and gathers could build something like Gobekli Tepe only 10,000 years ago, why not hunters and gathers building this sturture 20 ,000 years ago, possiable evolution of the pryamid.

[monk 56]

Hi Docyabut 2

I was talking about cairns, but take your point, however just because it is underwater we shouldn't assume that it is 20,000 years old, there is no evidence yet, and obviously water levels of a lake through history can change, and obviously earthquakes can change this.

There is an experiment that may give us some rough idea of age of monument, without difficult underwater excavations, hopefully that will be tried soon, by an X-Ray of the site to determine how far the foundation stones are in the sediment in the lake, then an expert in geology could take a core sample of sediment, it may be possible to determine age of site by that process without finding stuff to carbon date!

[Harsh86_Patel]

Hi Docyabut 2

I was talking about cairns, but take your point, however just because it is underwater we shouldn't assume that it is 20,000 years old, there is no evidence yet, and obviously water levels of a lake through history can change, and obviously earthquakes can change this.

There is an experiment that may give us some rough idea of age of monument, without difficult underwater excavations, hopefully that will be tried soon, by an X-Ray of the site to determine how far the foundation stones are in the sediment in the lake, then an expert in geology could take a core sample of sediment, it may be possible to determine age of site by that process without finding stuff to carbon date!

This can only happen once the mainstream first acknowledges that it is manmde. There are many other such sites like Yonaguni,Dwarka etc that are dismissed as natural formations by the mainstreams without proper investigation.

Yonaguni is marked by huge slabs cut at right angles and still is dismissed as a natural formation, so i am dubious how the mainstream would treat a pile of rocks in the sea.

[Abramelin]

This can only happen once the mainstream first acknowledges that it is manmde. There are many other such sites like Yonaguni,Dwarka etc that are dismissed as natural formations by the mainstreams without proper investigation.

Yonaguni is marked by huge slabs cut at right angles and still is dismissed as a natural formation, so i am dubious how the mainstream would treat a pile of rocks in the sea.

Yonaguni has been properly investigated.

The same Japanese professor who first claimed it was a structure dating from the end of the last ice age, now says it's not more than 2000 years old.

Then they found similar and natural structures on nearby land.

Last: Robert Schoch - the same one who thinks the Sphinx is thousands of years older than it is thought to be - also says the Yonaguni structure is a natural formation.

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Edited April 20, 2013 by Abramelin

[Harsh86_Patel]

Yonaguni has been properly investigated.

The same Japanese professor who first claimed it was a structure dating from the end of the last ice age, now says it's not more than 2000 years old.

Then they found similar and natural structures on nearby land.

Last: Robert Schoch - the same one who thinks the Sphinx is thousands of years older than it is thought to be - also says the Yonaguni structure is a natural formation.

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Take comments from the same people on this pile of rocks. Lets see what they come up with and how they later withdraw their opinions.

[Harsh86_Patel]

Yonaguni has been properly investigated.

The same Japanese professor who first claimed it was a structure dating from the end of the last ice age, now says it's not more than 2000 years old.

Then they found similar and natural structures on nearby land.

Last: Robert Schoch - the same one who thinks the Sphinx is thousands of years older than it is thought to be - also says the Yonaguni structure is a natural formation.

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i don't think they are natural formations, i have not seen such clear 90 degree angles in any other underwater exploration videos.

If they claim that these are natural formations....please show any other place in the world where such natural formations have been found or observed.....mind you not around Yonaguni.

[Harsh86_Patel]

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The mysterious underwater structures at Yonaguni

April 5, 2010

Photo: Masaaki Kimura

Yonaguni Island is a part of Japan’s Ryukyu archipelago. In 1986 under the water around it were discovered what some people say are the ruins of an ancient civilization and others believe it is only natural formations.

Masaaki Kimura is a geologist for Ryukyu University. He has studied the site (also known as Yonaguni Monument) for the past 15 years. He believes that the underwater rocks are the remains of a city 5,000 years ago. It is based on the dating of stalagmites found in caves that collapsed while the city alleged.

He claims to have found marks and symbols carved into the stone and also rocks carved with animal forms. He has also identified ten structures in Yonaguni and five more similar structures on the main island of Okinawa. The ruins cover a 300 x 150 meters area.

The structure include the ruins of a castle, a triumphal arch, five temples and at least one large stadium, connected by roads and waterways and protected in part by what could be huge walls. The largest structure is a monolithic pyramid, which rises to a depth of 25 meters.

Photo: Masaaki Kimura

The city sank 2000 years ago in one of the major earthquakes that hit this part of the Pacific Ocean. In fact, on 4 May 1998, a part of the island and the ruins were destroyed by an undersea earthquake.

But not everyone believes as Kimura. Robert Schoch, professor of science and mathematics from Boston University, is convinced that none of the stone structures is the work of human hands. He said these geological formations are well known and they’re specific to a region with seismic activity.

http://www.futuropasado.com/en/2010/04/the-mysterious-underwater-structures-at-yonaguni/

please show me natural formations like this in another part of the world