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Was MLK a communist?

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So recently i have stumbled upon someone saying MLK was a communist. So i look it up on google and alot of sources say that FBI files released about him shows he has communist ties. Alot of people in his movment were communist too.

I was just wondering if this was true. So if anyone knows anything else please share.

So feel free to look this up and tell me what you think.

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Don't know if he was Communist. Having ties to Communists means nothing.... though he was a communityist :w00t:

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He was assassinated for his comments.

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I don't think there's any actual evidence he was a communist. He might well have been influenced by socialism, but that's no bad thing, either in the USA or the rest of the world. Many Americans are too chauvinist to admit it (they even moved Labour Day to September from May to make people think it wasn't a Socialist holiday, for instance, but it totally, obviously is), but the US is also strongly influenced by Socialism and most of the workers' rights Americans enjoy came from Socialist and Unionist crusaders.

--Jaylemurph

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When he was much younger the Dalai Lama was influenced by Chairman Mao at one point, but that didn't make him a Socialist or Communist or Marxist. As far as Martin Luther King goes, I always thought he was a Baptist.

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sources say that FBI files released about him shows he has communist ties.

Ohh the FBI says he was a communist.

Well that's a whole mess of believable isn't it? After all J. Edgar wouldn't lie in order to advance his own ideology and beliefs would he?

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alot of sources say that FBI files released about him shows he has communist ties.

I wouldn't trust that.

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So recently i have stumbled upon someone saying MLK was a communist. So i look it up on google and alot of sources say that FBI files released about him shows he has communist ties. Alot of people in his movment were communist too.

I was just wondering if this was true. So if anyone knows anything else please share.

So feel free to look this up and tell me what you think.

Yeah my mom was in some of those movements and I remember her having to burn documentation in fear of raids. She told me it was communist propoganda. But she didnt believe in anything evil. She believed in equal wealth distribution and I think that was what gave it a communist title but im really not sure.

There is always something good that initiates a party and gives it its title, it gets thwarted after it gets hijacked by dominating terrorists.

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the diffrence between treson and sedition is all local ... treson is supporting a foreagn power in the over throw of your own goverment .

sedition is the the over throw of your own goverment .

sedition is extremely american , and what elections are all about .

the communism of the 1930's was the spread of soveit russia's controll of other countrys .

russia's support of MLK was to creat upheaval and civil unrest so that the goverment would be needed to remove freedoms and take fedaral controll over local issue .

it is very very clear that MLK had money and political support that came from russia .

it is not so clear if MLK was a russian operative... but it is clear that MLK would have taken the hand of the devil to reach the promise land .

MLK was not killed because of his civil rights issues ... he was killed because of his connection to the jfk coup

with in the democrate national committee party .

it is not likly that johnson was in the circle , but he was not unhappy that jfk was killed ... rfk and mlk were "cleaner" hits to cover up the jfk hit .

mlk had no intrest or understanding of communism ... when your running from a tiger , the lion and the bear do not have your attention .

i beleive that MLK was a very good american in the practice of sedition ... and like meny american's

he ran in the wrong company and was killed by assocation.

as for socailism and communism ... it is responcible for the crash of the ussr , the crash of imperial england , and the crash of the euro ... and is currently crashing the most powerful free market the world has ever seen ...

you are looseing your freedoms and your childrens futures to communism... your a drunk that needs one more drink .

and with luck ... history will tell of the grand success of the communist system and all its great advances ...

how it single handed ... paid for all the poor to raise from their getto's ... how it blazed the way to technology and great social justice ... clearity of goverments right to show the people the way !

the labor movement is a capitalist advance.... you need trade unions to crush corparation ...

...or...

tell me of one trade union in the communist world ... (poland?... and the russians nearly sent in tanks to crush it .... gigggles )

trade unions are a product of the capitalist system... and are taken over by goverment in socialist states... and dismantled under communism ...

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....P > S> ...

i do need to point out that the triangle factory fire distroyed the garment industry in newyork , and benifited the states around it , and led the way for organized crime ....

had the socialist not been involved in the labor movement... organized crime would not have been introduced... and the face of the labor movement would be totaly diffrent ...

the problem with the labor movement is simple ... it is a business arm of organized crime ... untill that changes , it is hopelessly violent and will never be take seriously as a good aspect of civilized culture .

people with in the labor movement have never thought out the concepts ... and for that reason ... they are seen as greedy whiners who are violent and reactionary ....little more than organized mob violance ...

when the truth is... they are the moss that brings down the old oak tree , so that small trees can grow in the place made bleached and baren in the shade of the oak .

we need the corparations to set standards and savings of scale .... we need unions to pull down genarational business that get in the way of progress ... kodac film would never let a cel phone camar see the open market.

unions do not belong in every business ... but microsoft needs a union ... oil companys need unions ... and bank tellers need a union .... what really needs a union is media and communications ...

unions have nothing at all to do with fairness...

unions are all about crushing monopolys .... but of course you would know this if the teachers were not socialist , pumping propaganda ... rather than teaching ...

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i thought he was Baptist

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i thought he was Baptist

i have heard , he was not just a baptist... he was a preacherman . and God Almighty what a preacherman .

the man could roar ... frankly speaking , he is a good rolemodel for any one ... some of the things he said were not all that profound ... but give the time... where he stood when he said it... mlk was a pretty intresting dude

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The constant mentions of adultery and communism often are attempts to downplay the vital changes that he and his movement brought to American society. The result of his life was a more just country that became a truly free nation, or, at the very least, one that was much closer to that ideal. We tend to judge people in the past by the standards of the present, and that tends to remove the context necessary to adequately assess historical figures. MLK, as well as Washington, are both unfairly judged due to the fact that we fail to recognize the world in which they lived. Jefferson and Washington had slaves, but that was the norm for that period of history (Washington freed his slaves in his will). It can't be denied that they birthed our country, the one that improved the lives of generations of people. MLK was in desperate straits, and he did what he had to do based on the fact that he was seen as a second-class citizen, with no voice in the official hierarchy, due to his race. It can't be denied that he improved the lives of millions of Americans.

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He was assassinated for his comments.

He was murdered after he brought White workers and Black workers together. It showed that class might have been more important than race to certain people. Was he assassinated by paranoid cabalists (in the general sense)? That's one of the conspiracy theories.

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i have heard , he was not just a baptist... he was a preacherman . and God Almighty what a preacherman .

the man could roar ... frankly speaking , he is a good rolemodel for any one ... some of the things he said were not all that profound ... but give the time... where he stood when he said it... mlk was a pretty intresting dude

I think he was one of the greatest men of our times. This link says a little about him, and more about his church.

http://www.nps.gov/m...tist_church.htm

Throughout its long history, Ebenezer Baptist Church has been a spiritual home to many citizens of the "Sweet Auburn" community. Its most famous member, Martin Luther King, Jr., was baptized as a child in the church. After giving a trial sermon to the congregation at Ebenezer at the age of 19 Martin was ordained as a minister. In 1960 Dr. King, Jr. became a co-pastor of Ebenezer with his father, "Daddy" King. He remained in that position until his death in 1968. As a final farewell to his spiritual home Dr. King, Jr.'s funeral was held in the church

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Here is part of his last speech .. He mentions Russia

"Regarding the Civil Rights struggle, King said:

All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper."
If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand some of these illegal injunctions.
Maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for rights. And so just as I said, we aren't going to let dogs or water hoses turn us around. We aren't going to let any injunction turn us around. We are going on.

Here is another part of that speech :

Toward the end of the speech, King refers to threats against his life and uses language that seems to foreshadow his impending death:

And then I got to Memphis. And some began to say the threats, or talk about the threats that were out. What would happen to me from some of our sick white brothers? ... Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't really matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. I don't mind.
Like anybody, I would like to live - a long life; longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will.
And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the
.
I may not get there with you.
But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. So I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

It's touted that he was referring to threats motivated by racial hatred alone.... but i always wonder what he thought.

* LInk to video and full text of his last speech:

http://www.americanr...mountaintop.htm

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It's just too bad some of his closest followers haven't continued his work.

I wonder what MLK would think of what is now pervasive in his communities. Violence, no responsibility, and ignorance.

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people with in the labor movement have never thought out the concepts ...

Before I say what I want to say, is English your first language?

--Jaylemurph

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Some politically concerned Americans are inclined to call anyone they disagree with a 'communist', just as their opposite numbers call them 'fascists', 'racists' and so on. This can be looked on as vile slander or robust debate, but it shouldn't be taken as being very meaningful: it's about how the callers feel, not how the callees are.

So, was MLK a communist? Not if he had any sense. Back then, communism in the United States really was tied to the Soviet Union... and the Soviet treatment of minorities - defined as anyone not a Russian - was despicable. He was, possibly, a communist in the sense that J. Edgar Hoover disliked him and J. Edgar Hoover disliked communism, and so, er, QED.

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I have read Marx's CAPITAL and much of what he says would surprise you. His "religion is the opiate of the masses" comment refers to state sponsored religion that was used to control the people. His "dictatorship of the proletariat" was one man, one vote-absolute democracy rather than the rule of a dictator which it later became. Marx was asked at one point about the United States seeming to be pretty much what he was talking about. He replied that yes, in America everyone had a vote but it wasn't communism because the monied class decided what we could vote FOR, and is that not the case? The part I couldn't swallow is the need for revolution if it was all going to come about anyway, but he lived in an age when children were dying in coal mines so he can be forgiven his impatience. In practice, of course, communism became something truly horrible but that frequently is the case with something good in theory. Compare the doctrines of Jesus and Christianity.

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