The History of Schizophrenia

[notforgotten]

Follow this link to see the Holy Spirit under Father Gods' left arm:

https://www.restored...es-murillo.aspx

It's the Holy Spirit that brings evil spirits into the lives of schizophrenics as temporal punishment due to sin. Note: the Holy Spirit looks just like the "orb". That's because they are one and the same. To me, revealing this to you is a treat because this is Esoteric Christian wisdom. There are not many people in the world that know this.

Notice that the "orb" is often present where there is a lot of paranormal activity. And spirits are often seen in the "orb". Spirits travel through the Holy Spirit keeping evil spirits in the lives of schizophrenics. This is why the voices do not readily go away. An understanding that the doctors are not privy to.

[scowl]

First off, show me a reference to an actual person/patient who has had their brain chemistry measured? Second then show me the model to which this chemistry is standardised, what is the normal measure in such chemistry?

You're totally right. The "chemical imbalance in the brain" is an expression that doctors use to say they don't really know what's going on in the brain. Back in the 70's and 80's many doctors believed it was something simple like dopamine overproduction (that's when the term "chemical imbalance" became popular) and the cure would just be a matter of fixing this. That theory proved to be far too simple. The drugs seem to change the chemistry of the brain to something closer to a normal but they don't really know what is happening and treatment is a matter of trial and error, and often failure. Patients generally don't want to hear this and just want to be cured.

However this situation is common in medicine. We don't know for sure what causes migraines. We don't know what causes autism. We don't know what causes dyslexia. This is a long list!

[JC2]

Right, the problem I am seeing here is an age old argument that has neither helped nor resolved the issues that mental health sufferers have had to deal because of what has always been a pseudo-science to start with. It has always dealt with illness through observation leading to the inquiry of internal mechanisms.

Pure guess work for the most part but then as science itself progresses so do the understandings. Those who argue on the side of drugs dislike it when their stance is undermined by the fact that few if any drugs remain in the domain for more than five years or so due to there actual failings.

Psychology is disturbed by the nature of technology now being able to do what psychiatry has been trying to do since time began. There is now a revolution in terms of the nature of these illnesses and respectfully the neuroscience is reshaping the true nature of what is cause thus giving rise to the effect and eventually resolving how to treat these conditions.

I am involved with this study into these mental conditions and here is some of what it is they are doing to change the practice within the mental health issue and trust me the findings are revolutionary to say the least yet far from the public domain as yet the only thing I can say is neither religion nor past science will be thanked for all the years of pain and suffering caused through ignorance and arrogance from both parties.

This link is to a world wide network that has been operating for a few years now and its mandate is to share rather than to be controlled and so is unbiased to any form of outside persuasion, pharmaceutical nor otherwise.

Participant Information Sheet Version 5 - 03.12.10.pdf

Edited April 16, 2013 by JC2

[scowl]

I've been made to understand that the hearing of voices comes from the fact that normally sounds entering our ears are interpreted by the brain as such and the corresponding sensations are created in our minds. Now we talk to ourselves, probably more than we admit, but our brain can distinguish this and does not create sound sensations for us to hear.

Yes, this is called "internal dialog". As I'm typing this, I "hear" myself reading these words, or the words I wanted to type (damn fingers!).

In the schizophrenic this distinction is lost so that the brain does in fact convert these internal conversations into audible sound sensations. The person experiencing this knows there is no one speaking to them, so they invent someone -- and hence the messages then come to be consistent with this invention.

The auditory hallucinations can have any kind of description you can imagine. Here's what I remember from the classes I took and the experiences working in a hospital which I'll never forget...

The most common symptom is disruption of internal dialog. You want to complete a sentence but it will be blocked or pulled in another direction beyond your control. You'll see this in patients who can't complete a sentence. For example they'll say "Mary had a little star." ("little lamb" and "little star" are intertwined). At this point there's no sensation of a hallucination, just disruption of thought which makes concentration impossible. We diagnosed this with the "count to twenty" test. This is the earliest symptom of the disease and sometimes it goes away without any treatment.

At the next stage, you can experience hallucinations independent of your thought process. You may have a word constantly appear in your head that you can't stop thinking of and blocks other thoughts. Eventually you may feel that something or someone is saying this word (obscenities are common). As the disease gets worse, this will expand to complete sentences and will give the impression of an independent dialog beyond your own thoughts. Often these take the form of angry and humiliating phrases directed at what the person is doing but not always.

In the worst cases, these will no longer seem like voices but actual people with complete personalities, often with names and genders, and the patient can seem to have convincing internal conversations with these "people". Some patients will scoff at the idea that there are just "voices" in their head because they feel they are real people (if not aliens or God) they're talking to. At this point patients often become hard to treat because to them they no longer seem to be hallucinations.

Sometimes the hallucinations have another degree of realism. Patients sometimes complained of hearing sounds not in their head but in identifiable locations and directions. One woman thought there were some people having a party in his backyard but every time she went out there, she couldn't find anyone but they'd return after she went back into the house. Other patients say they can locate the voices in the room, in a corner of the ceiling for example, and they remain in the same location as the patient moves around the room. Some experience hallucinations in just one ear which conspiracy theorists say prove they're being caused by implants.

[notforgotten]

Notice that the "orb" is often present where there is a lot of paranormal activity. And spirits are often seen in the "orb". Spirits travel through the Holy Spirit keeping evil spirits in the lives of schizophrenics. This is why the voices do not readily go away. An understanding that the doctors are not privy to.

Another painting with the Holy Spirit again under Father Gods' left arm:

http://www.restoredt...red_Rubens.aspx

Evil spirits' have been persecuting mankind for thousands of years, long before Christ. It wasn't until a little over 100 years that modern medical science decided to label it schizophrenia and claim that it was all in peoples heads. To me, this is a form of malpractice. This is in itself delusional thinking and the APA (American Psychiatric Association) has polluted the American minds with this sort of thinking for over a century now. Isn't it high time that they stop lying about schizophrenia, listen to their patients and come clean. Many need to open their eyes and see the truth and the APA needs to stop suppressing it. From a Christian point of view, many will fall on account of their lies making the psychiatrist a murderer again. Only this time a spiritual one. So, if you think there is no harm in it, one needs to think again, you would be highly mistaken. May God forgive them for they do not know what they do.

Remember, the devil was a liar and murderer right from the beginning. Why then, must the psychiatric movement follow in the same footsteps?

Edited April 16, 2013 by notforgotten

[GoldenWolf]

Another painting with the Holy Spirit again under Father Gods' left arm:

http://www.restoredt...red_Rubens.aspx

Evil spirits' have been persecuting mankind for thousands of years, long before Christ. It wasn't until a little over 100 years that modern medical science decided to label it schizophrenia and claim that it was all in peoples heads. To me, this is a form of malpractice. This is in itself delusional thinking and the APA (American Psychiatric Association) has polluted the American minds with this sort of thinking for over a century now. Isn't it high time that they stop lying about schizophrenia, listen to their patients and come clean. Many need to open their eyes and see the truth and the APA needs to stop suppressing it. From a Christian point of view, many will fall on account of their lies making the psychiatrist a murderer again. Only this time a spiritual one. So, if you think there is no harm in it, one needs to think again, you would be highly mistaken. May God forgive them for they do not know what they do.

Remember, the devil was a liar and murderer right from the beginning. Why then, must the psychiatric movement follow in the same footsteps?

Are you saying the devil is a psychiatrist?

[notforgotten]

Are you saying the devil is a psychiatrist?

In our sins, I believe that we are all devils in a way. The trick is not to be a devil in the end. The best thing for the schizophrenic would be to completely repent of all sins and have faith in Jesus. All sins would include coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, recreational drugs and any abuse of pharmaceuticals. This with internal meditation on love might be all the schizophrenic needs.

I work in schizophrenic pharmaceutical research and I can tell you that although the newer medications have fewer side effects, the effectiveness leaves a bit more to be desired. Progress is being made for symptoms such as focus and concentration in the schizophrenic.

[Arbenol]

Arbenol are you a doctor?

I trained as a psychiatric nurse and have specialised in forensic mental health for the past 20 years or so.

[scowl]

Evil spirits' have been persecuting mankind for thousands of years, long before Christ. It wasn't until a little over 100 years that modern medical science decided to label it schizophrenia and claim that it was all in peoples heads. To me, this is a form of malpractice.

How many patients with schizophrenia have you cured, Doctor?

[Lava_Lady]

I trained as a psychiatric nurse and have specialised in forensic mental health for the past 20 years or so.

Awesome! I bet you have seen just about every kind of mental illness there is.

[notforgotten]

How many patients with schizophrenia have you cured, Doctor?

None, but neither has any doctor. Jesus delivers schizophrenic souls that have faith from those evil spirits, our enemy, the devils.

[White Crane Feather]

None, but neither has any doctor. Jesus delivers schizophrenic souls that have faith from those evil spirits, our enemy, the devils.

How many evil spirits have you seen?

[notforgotten]

How many evil spirits have you seen?

I've seen thousands of dead people and two demons.

[Mr Right Wing]

First off, show me a reference to an actual person/patient who has had their brain chemistry measured? Second then show me the model to which this chemistry is standardised, what is the normal measure in such chemistry?

As for your final statement can you expand? What are the differing attributes you can obviously recognise that the rest of us struggle with.

Schizophrenia and psychosis can be detected with 98% accuracy through a persons eye movements. They experience saccade when trying to maintain their gaze on a slow moving object.

Dumping the bull going around our society a psychologist can tell you if someone is off their head or having a geuine psychic experience.

Edited April 16, 2013 by Giant Killer B

[notforgotten]

Brain chemistry abnormalities can be detected with chemicals that cross the blood-brain barrier and if it doesnt apply abnormalities can be inferred from a CAT scan.

Can these brain chemistry abnormalities show up with substance abuse?

[White Crane Feather]

I've seen thousands of dead people and two demons.

Dead people as in spirits of dead people? And what was the context in which you saw the demons? Can you explain a little bit?

[Arbenol]

Awesome! I bet you have seen just about every kind of mental illness there is.

You'd think so. But we never stop learning, and these fellas will always find some new challenge for us. One of the most interesting things about this line of work is I can meet a hundred schizophrenics and no two of them will have the same symptoms and presentation. It's indelibly linked with their personality and experiences, so produce a huge variety in needs, risk etc.....

[notforgotten]

Dead people as in spirits of dead people? And what was the context in which you saw the demons? Can you explain a little bit?

The spirits of the dead, lost souls. I saw two twin demons with a horn and four nobs on their heads.. Only their heads were showing and they were blue in color. One of them told me that his job was to do evil to me. I was possessed twice by one demon masquerading as God. HIs glory (deceit) was short lived. Also, I have heard the Fathers' voice, seen Jesus as a child, seen the Holy Spirit, an angel, witnessed some powers of the angels in both kingdoms and have seen some of my family from heaven. Also, I've witnessed many spirits of friends and family while their bodies were sleeping.

My experiences were without question real. I've undergone temporal punishment. My wife has had similar experiences and they were real as well. I am not a schizophrenic whose experiences are unreal. Personally, I believe that if not all, most schizophrenics are undergoing temporal punishment. It's a call to grace for the Christian and persecution for the non-believer. It's a form of suffering for both and through suffering with the right teacher (God and Jesus) one has the opportunity to become wiser.

Edited April 16, 2013 by notforgotten

[Arbenol]

and four nobs on their heads.

[JC2]

Schizophrenia and psychosis can be detected with 98% accuracy through a persons eye movements. They experience saccade when trying to maintain their gaze on a slow moving object.

Dumping the bull going around our society a psychologist can tell you if someone is off their head or having a geuine psychic experience.

Oh trust me I am aware of the techniques used in observation when it comes to identifying the those who are without question but did you actually mean “psychic” or were you meaning to say psychotic?

As for dumping the bull, I am out on this merry go round, a final link to try to offer some rational to the subject but this has just gone way left field for me.

information_participant (2).pdf

[Lava_Lady]

My experiences were without question real. I've undergone temporal punishment. My wife has had similar experiences and they were real as well. I am not a schizophrenic whose experiences are unreal . Personally, I believe that if not all, most schizophrenics are undergoing temporal punishment. It's a call to grace for the Christian and persecution for the non-believer. It's a form of suffering for both and through suffering with the right teacher (God and Jesus) one has the opportunity to become wiser.

I'm confused, in the OP you argue that what schizophrenics see are real entities.

Are their visions real or just hallucinations brought on by God as punishment?

Exactly what is the definition of temporal punishment?

Edited April 16, 2013 by Lava_Lady

[notforgotten]

I'm confused, in the OP you argue that what schizophrenics see are real entities.

Are their visions real or just hallucinations brought on by God as punishment? Their visions are real, but subject to misinterpretation like all visions. The devils are deceiving, so the person can become delusional/psychotic and not know exactly what is going on around them. God is not the person that performs temporal punishment, the Holy Spirit brings evil spirits into a persons life and they persecute the person and they suffer at the hands of the devils. The Holy Spirit himself does no harm to the person. He is a peaceful spirit.

Exactly what is the definition of temporal punishment? Punishment, Temporal : Purification of the unhealthy attachment to creatures, which is a consequence of sin that perdures even after death. We must be purified either during our earthly life through prayer and a conversion which comes from fervent charity, or after death in purgatory.

[Lava_Lady]

What is your understanding of the difference between God & the holy spirit?

[notforgotten]

You'll have to look that up for yourself. Here's another painting with the Holy Spirit again under Father Gods' left arm:

http://www.restoredtraditions.com/Trinity_Adored-Rubens.aspx

Evil spirits' have been persecuting mankind for thousands of years, long before Christ. It wasn't until a little over 100 years that modern medical science decided to label it schizophrenia and claim that it was all in peoples heads. To me, this is a form of malpractice. This is in itself delusional thinking and the APA (American Psychiatric Association) has polluted the American minds with this sort of thinking for over a century now. Isn't it high time that they stop lying about schizophrenia, listen to their patients and come clean. Many need to open their eyes and see the truth and the APA needs to stop suppressing it. From a Christian point of view, many will fall on account of their lies making the psychiatrist a murderer again. Only this time a spiritual one. So, if you think there is no harm in it, one needs to think again, you would be highly mistaken. May God forgive them for they do not know what they do.

Remember, the devil was a liar and murderer right from the beginning. Why then, must the psychiatric movement follow in the same footsteps?

Edited April 17, 2013 by notforgotten

[Frank Merton]

If schizophrenia did not exist as a known clinical phenomenon, with all sorts of manifestations (not just spiritual ones), we would have to take these reports as strong evidence of the existence of spirits. But schizophrenia does exist, and therefore disqualifies the reports as convincing evidence. The latter explanation is so much more probable.