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The sun is a stargate

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I thought this thread was titled "the sun is a stargate"?

Zoser derailing again with Darwin, a topic that should be discussed under palaeontology as it has nothing to do with the ET section nor even the OP, and if zoser or anyone else queries Darwins findings, well he did live over 200 years ago, you can say thats roughly the beginning of science, he had no-one to advise him, no reference books to help him along, and all the time he was being criticised...things like this hadnt happened yet:

"The spectacular fossilised skull of an ancient human ancestor that died nearly two million years ago in central Asia has forced scientists to rethink the story of early human evolution"

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=256382

Now can we keep the topic on-track - or will you take your Darwinism problems to the above linked thread or other appropriate threads. Thankyou

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It makes no mention of a human blueprint, genetic modifications in history perverse or otherwise, and it completely fails to deal with step changes between hominid strains that are in some cases huge.

What Are the Top Ten Problems with Darwinian Evolution?

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http://www.evolution...to_1062011.html

You are so wrong. Art and music , aswell as altruism, help us to our survival. It help us to charm others. So they will gladly help us and our cubs. :lol:

Survivalism explains all. ;)

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I am relitively new to conspiracy theories, so please excuse me if I don't use big words or I explain things like I am learning a new language.

My partner is a real tinfoil head and loves his conspiracy theories. He recently found one the other day that claims that our sun is actually a startgate used for motherships who want to enter our galaxy (such as the Annunaki?) instead of obviously traveling faster than the speed of light through to different galaxies which is impossible. So I guess it makes a bit more sense.

What he found was that ancient Mayan scriptures illustrated a sun with a black triangle in the middle, with a departing spaceship- like it had just come out of this trangle in the middle of the sun.

Surrounding the sun was a few other spaceships.

My partner also looked up thermal readings of the sun (to do with this conspiracy) from a handful of difference sources and the clips showed this black triangle shape, and a massive object the looked like it was departing from the sun, almost like a sperm meeting an egg, but in reverse (best comparrison I can think of).

- Here is a linked clip of one of his resources

This object was 5X the size of Jupiter and was said to either be a planet (Niribu?), or a mothership.

The conspiracy that he got out of this research is that extraterristrials have been using this stargate from the beginning of our time to visit earth, such as the Aunnaki of course and the reptillians, and the greys if you will. There is one social group that have ownership of all of the Earths telescopes, which if I remember correctly are called the Vaticans (if you're a tinfoil head also, then you would call them the reptillians)... So his question is, what to the Vaticans (or reptillians) want with the sun?

And my questions are what do you think of this?

It's not that I believe or disbelieve, but I am really taking an agnostic like approach on all of this.

I found a shorter video on the right. Black Triangle

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Every day more and more people rejects Darwin theory. I guess smart people realized that we are more then apes. Im glad that my biology teacher point to us flaws of Darwin theory.

Smart people don't believe creationist propaganda.

Darwin "theory" become like new religion which is highly dangerous. Only the fittest survive. No moral values at all. Eugenics and Technocracy.

There is this new thing called thinking, you should try it some time. Edited by Rlyeh
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Smart people don't believe creationist propaganda.

As demonstrated by the message you quoted. I don't think some people are aware of the message they deliver under the words with their misspellings and grammatical illiteracies.

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You are so wrong. Art and music , aswell as altruism, help us to our survival. It help us to charm others. So they will gladly help us and our cubs. :lol:

Survivalism explains all. ;)

Nah. Darwism says survival. Not survival with cultural extensions. That's a huge nail in the coffin.

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Smart people don't believe creationist propaganda.

The truth lies in the third vector. Darwinism and Creationism are both are one sided views of a 3D picture.

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I found a shorter video on the right. Black Triangle

Nice upload CK.

The sun has always been implicated in esoteric folklore as being the next level up creation than the planet. Of a higher order or virtue. The ancients always associated their God's with the sun for example.

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Nah. Darwism says survival. Not survival with cultural extensions. That's a huge nail in the coffin.

OK, if we're going to play this game, art and music are both forms of communication, which has survival value. "Survival" though, is an outmoded misinterpretation of evolutionary theory, having largely been replaced by concepts more along the lines of Dawkins' meme theory of gene line transmission. To which end, many animals use "music" and dance to attract mates, if often indirectly. Compare the performances of an Elvis or Michael Jackson with those of the Bird Of Paradise.

If we're going to try and put this in any kind of context remotely relevant to the actual topic though, roosters crow at daybreak. Does that mean they acknowledge the sun as some "higher level of creation?"

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OK, if we're going to play this game, art and music are both forms of communication, which has survival value. "Survival" though, is an outmoded misinterpretation of evolutionary theory, having largely been replaced by concepts more along the lines of Dawkins' meme theory of gene line transmission. To which end, many animals use "music" and dance to attract mates, if often indirectly. Compare the performances of an Elvis or Michael Jackson with those of the Bird Of Paradise.

If we're going to try and put this in any kind of context remotely relevant to the actual topic though, roosters crow at daybreak. Does that mean they acknowledge the sun as some "higher level of creation?"

Animals are making automatic responses. Robotic and pre-programmed. No element of choice involved.

Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

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Animals are making automatic responses. Robotic and pre-programmed. No element of choice involved.

Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

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Animals are making automatic responses. Robotic and pre-programmed. No element of choice involved.

To sing or dance, yes, but the songs and dances are learned, and refined over time.

http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

Humans are also born with innate individual aptitudes for creativity without the need to be taught.

Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

None of which negates the ultimate potential outcome of production.

We know the primary strategic motivation to artificially manufacture a mystery, such as a bogus "stargate."

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To sing or dance, yes, but the songs and dances are learned, and refined over time.

The birds respond to the sunlight at dawn. They don't learn it. They are pre-coded to respond that way.

http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

Humans are also born with innate individual aptitudes for creativity without the need to be taught.

Show me a Mozart who got that way by 'innate individual attitude for creativity'. That is without the benefit of intense training and practice.

None of which negates the ultimate potential outcome of production.

I don't understand that statement OM.

We know the primary strategic motivation to artificially manufacture a mystery, such as a bogus "stargate."

It may not be artificial. It's a theory nothing more.

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The truth lies in the third vector. Darwinism and Creationism are both are one sided views of a 3D picture.

Truth just happens to be where ever you're not, like creationism you are allergic to scientific evidence.
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Truth just happens to be where ever you're not, like creationism you are allergic to scientific evidence.

Well seeing as the derail is in full swing, I may as well say a few bits more. Now I bet zoser watches 'Kent Hovind' as much as he does the AA waffle... hes a big proponent of 'throw away the textbooks, all history is wrong and a lie' too, while promoting creationism.

( BTW I wonder if the amazingly honest and sincere and highly intelligent creationist -Hovind -.. is out of jail yet? :lol: Another credible convict ) :tu:

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.........you are allergic to scientific evidence.

It's too narrow and totally biased. Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books. Try it.

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Well seeing as the derail is in full swing, I may as well say a few bits more. Now I bet zoser watches 'Kent Hovind' as much as he does the AA waffle... hes a big proponent of 'throw away the textbooks, all history is wrong and a lie' too, while promoting creationism.

( BTW I wonder if the amazingly honest and sincere and highly intelligent creationist -Hovind -.. is out of jail yet? :lol: Another credible convict ) :tu:

For someone who doesn't associate with creationists, zoser seems to get his information from them.
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It's too narrow and totally biased. Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books. Try it.

Like sites run by creationist muppets? How is that working out for you?

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Like sites run by creationist muppets? How is that working out for you?

They are the anti-thesis to your belief. Not mine. They have only arisen and come into the public eye to neutralise what they see is an anti-thesis to their belief or religion.

In other words they are not convinced by Darwinism.

When two things are diametrically opposed be assured that neither embodies the complete truth. The truth lies adjacent to both.

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It's too narrow and totally biased. Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books. Try it.

the PC you use now ...is perfect evidence of science being right. The power that runs thru your electrics, is PROOF, science is right. Heavy metal aircraft and metal ships... are more evidence science is right. Medicines that heal...are further proof...In fact every last bit of technology in the world, is PROOF science is right

Now, kindly go away, and work out for yourself, as you said... how to split the atom.... :tu:

Deal?

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the PC you use now ...is perfect evidence of science being right. The power that runs thru your electrics, is PROOF, science is right. Heavy metal aircraft and metal ships... are more evidence science is right. Medicines that heal...are further proof...In fact every last bit of technology in the world, is PROOF science is right

Now, kindly go away, and work out for yourself, as you said... how to split the atom.... :tu:

Deal?

Making machines? What do you think is the long term affect of calculators, pc's, sat nav, mobile phones on the human race in general? That's something for you to work out.

As for splitting the atom.

God help us all. The chips have yet to come down on that one. Be assured that they will.

Is that all?

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Making machines? What do you think is the long term affect of calculators, pc's, sat nav, mobile phones on the human race in general? That's something for you to work out.

Is that all?

Its not for me to work out or even think about it. So perhaps when you have a tumour eating away at you, you may change your mind and thank God for the tech that lets surgeons look inside you, and remove that tumour. I very very much doubt you will tell the docs you cant believe in the machines, or the technology, coz all the sciuence behing them is wrong

What a hypocrite. And as for someone, YOU, who claims to work at the British Museum, how do all those fine rebuilt dinosaur skeletons look? And the all the other THOUSANDS of fossil specimens they hold there, and yes Ive been often...so how do all those leave you unconvinced?

Ah I know, they're all fake bones arent they? All those specialists who work at the B-Museum are wrong too arent they, and all those PHd's earnt, All those Professors and top notch world class specialists at the same museum.... all that studying...all that training...down the chute

Coz zoser says so. Youre a joke mate :td:

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They are the anti-thesis to your belief. Not mine. They have only arisen and come into the public eye to neutralise what they see is an anti-thesis to their belief or religion.

By using straw men it does demonstrate your lack of credibility however.

EvolutionNews is run by creationists, the link you gave starts right off the bat with a straw man. Perhaps not the best way to criticize Evolution?

In other words they are not convinced by Darwinism.

When two things are diametrically opposed be assured that neither embodies the complete truth. The truth lies adjacent.

With your current methodology you wouldn't have to worry too much about stumbling across the truth.

BTW Using false information when it suits you puts you in no position to assure anyone of anything.

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The birds respond to the sunlight at dawn. They don't learn it. They are pre-coded to respond that way.

http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

Tsk. Didn't read the link again, did we?

Show me a Mozart who got that way by 'innate individual attitude for creativity'. That is without the benefit of intense training and practice
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Aptitude, and bad example: "while Leopold was a devoted teacher to his children, there is evidence that Mozart was keen to progress beyond what he was taught. His first ink-spattered composition and his precocious efforts with the violin were of his own initiative and came as a surprise to his father.[12"

Kid was playing perfectly at four and composing at five, You don't get that without a little something special inside.

Then there's Handel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Frideric_Handel#Early_years

Give this a read too: https://www2.bc.edu/~winner/pdf/children_gifted_in_drawing.pdf

I don't understand that statement OM.

Not surprising. A reference to my prior comment as to the "utility" of artistic creativity.

It may not be artificial. It's a theory nothing more.

They had to colate the idea from disparate sources one way or the other. We know statements made about the source material are highly questionable, and by extention the conclusion.

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