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I have no idea what to call myself, and I probably don't need to have a name for my beliefs, but it would be nice.

Please no bashing, or telling me that I am wrong. I just want to know what category I could be put into.

So....

  • I don't believe in God or a supreme being
  • I don't believe that a supreme being had created us or our world, I believe we were put here or created by extratarrestial life
  • I do believe that nature, human and animals are all connected through vibrations and energy- I'm like one of those people from Avatar the movie lol (I didn't get my belief off the movie though, fyi)
  • I believe in spirits, energies and entities.
  • I believe in an after life, but nothing like heaven or hell. I believe that we go somewhere to "wait" to be reincarnated, but this waiting place isn't anything physical, there is no picture to it.
  • I believe in karma
  • I believe in manifestation and the "law of attraction", we write our own destiny.
  • I believe in chakras and believe that we are spiritual beings with different vibrations. That our physical bodies are just the shells to who we truly are. We are our own Gods.
  • I believe in etratarrestial life

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your someone who believes in everything BUT God? (lol) just teasing. i don't know what to call my self either.

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The problem with what to call myself pales in comparison to my urges to want to call or label others, to their detriment, but mostly to mine. And what I say I believe is sometimes contradicted by what I do; I'm working on that. So until I bring my actions into alignment with my beliefs, it doesn't matter much what I believe.

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Your a Buddhist of sorts I guess, if a label needs to be used. They believe in all sorts of things, a process, gods and demons without a God, or so it is said. I doubt the western mind can understand Buddhism really, unless it is lived.

Peace

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ET-paratheistic?

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I have no idea what to call myself, and I probably don't need to have a name for my beliefs, but it would be nice.

Please no bashing, or telling me that I am wrong. I just want to know what category I could be put into.

So....

  • I don't believe in God or a supreme being
  • I don't believe that a supreme being had created us or our world, I believe we were put here or created by extratarrestial life
  • I do believe that nature, human and animals are all connected through vibrations and energy- I'm like one of those people from Avatar the movie lol (I didn't get my belief off the movie though, fyi)
  • I believe in spirits, energies and entities.
  • I believe in an after life, but nothing like heaven or hell. I believe that we go somewhere to "wait" to be reincarnated, but this waiting place isn't anything physical, there is no picture to it.
  • I believe in karma
  • I believe in manifestation and the "law of attraction", we write our own destiny.
  • I believe in chakras and believe that we are spiritual beings with different vibrations. That our physical bodies are just the shells to who we truly are. We are our own Gods.
  • I believe in etratarrestial life

From your list of beliefs, I can detect elements of Buddhism, Pantheism, Theosophy and the New Thought movement. I don't think there is a single term to sum them up as you are probably still investigating some of these beliefs and 'trying them out for size'.

Philangeli

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I have no idea what to call myself, and I probably don't need to have a name for my beliefs, but it would be nice.

Please no bashing, or telling me that I am wrong. I just want to know what category I could be put into.

So....

  • I don't believe in God or a supreme being
  • I don't believe that a supreme being had created us or our world, I believe we were put here or created by extratarrestial life
  • I do believe that nature, human and animals are all connected through vibrations and energy- I'm like one of those people from Avatar the movie lol (I didn't get my belief off the movie though, fyi)
  • I believe in spirits, energies and entities.
  • I believe in an after life, but nothing like heaven or hell. I believe that we go somewhere to "wait" to be reincarnated, but this waiting place isn't anything physical, there is no picture to it.
  • I believe in karma
  • I believe in manifestation and the "law of attraction", we write our own destiny.
  • I believe in chakras and believe that we are spiritual beings with different vibrations. That our physical bodies are just the shells to who we truly are. We are our own Gods.
  • I believe in etratarrestial life

I agree, at least in part, with all those statements. but i see one form of alien life (the cosmic consciousness) as the being I know persaonally and relate to as god.

Do one of those online tests on your religious beliefs. I come out as a mix of buddhist, jainist, seventh day adventist (because i chose to live by biblical truths which bring me physical well being and are held in common with adventists) and a few other elements.

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From your list of beliefs, I can detect elements of Buddhism, Pantheism, Theosophy and the New Thought movement. I don't think there is a single term to sum them up as you are probably still investigating some of these beliefs and 'trying them out for size'.

Philangeli

Oh wow, that sound interesting, I will look those things up :)

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I have no idea what to call myself, and I probably don't need to have a name for my beliefs, but it would be nice.

Please no bashing, or telling me that I am wrong. I just want to know what category I could be put into.

So....

  • I don't believe in God or a supreme being
  • I don't believe that a supreme being had created us or our world, I believe we were put here or created by extratarrestial life
  • I do believe that nature, human and animals are all connected through vibrations and energy- I'm like one of those people from Avatar the movie lol (I didn't get my belief off the movie though, fyi)
  • I believe in spirits, energies and entities.
  • I believe in an after life, but nothing like heaven or hell. I believe that we go somewhere to "wait" to be reincarnated, but this waiting place isn't anything physical, there is no picture to it.
  • I believe in karma
  • I believe in manifestation and the "law of attraction", we write our own destiny.
  • I believe in chakras and believe that we are spiritual beings with different vibrations. That our physical bodies are just the shells to who we truly are. We are our own Gods.
  • I believe in etratarrestial life

It's best not to seek a lebel even when one is found that fit's your criteria. A label is indicative of conforming to a sociological Consortium. What this means is that as soon as you lable yourself and join a consortium with a universal mindset of beleifs, you tend to stammer off from being your own individual and following that group no matter how their beleifs stray over time. Remain an individual. Don't label yourself. Seek truth on your own terms.

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I have no idea what to call myself, and I probably don't need to have a name for my beliefs, but it would be nice.

Please no bashing, or telling me that I am wrong. I just want to know what category I could be put into.

So....

  • I don't believe in God or a supreme being
  • I don't believe that a supreme being had created us or our world, I believe we were put here or created by extratarrestial life
  • I do believe that nature, human and animals are all connected through vibrations and energy- I'm like one of those people from Avatar the movie lol (I didn't get my belief off the movie though, fyi)
  • I believe in spirits, energies and entities.
  • I believe in an after life, but nothing like heaven or hell. I believe that we go somewhere to "wait" to be reincarnated, but this waiting place isn't anything physical, there is no picture to it.
  • I believe in karma
  • I believe in manifestation and the "law of attraction", we write our own destiny.
  • I believe in chakras and believe that we are spiritual beings with different vibrations. That our physical bodies are just the shells to who we truly are. We are our own Gods.
  • I believe in etratarrestial life

You are SPIRITUAL.

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It's best not to seek a lebel even when one is found that fit's your criteria. A label is indicative of conforming to a sociological Consortium. What this means is that as soon as you lable yourself and join a consortium with a universal mindset of beleifs, you tend to stammer off from being your own individual and following that group no matter how their beleifs stray over time. Remain an individual. Don't label yourself. Seek truth on your own terms.

You are 100% right, and I was aware of this before I posted my question :)

I guess out of curiosity- maybe we all seek to fit into a social group unconsciously, even though that's the last thing I want to do. Thank you for the tip anyway and no doubt I will continue to live this way.

On a side note, just fyi anyone that is interested;

these beliefs I hold are from how I have perceived my own experiences, and of research that I have done. A little of it is influence from my mother, who is spiritual and my step father who is Native American. My brother and father are both Atheists. My partner and I get into our conspiracy theories. I question everything :) I never fit in at my previous high school, I'm not a dork or anything, I just feel "seperate" from a lot of people. I am sure if people knew my beliefs they would think I am some weirdo, but meh lol.

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I think its fine to seek a label and to assign labels to other people, so long as we keep in mind that labels are useful but limited tools.

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I think its fine to seek a label and to assign labels to other people, so long as we keep in mind that labels are useful but limited tools.

Ya no single label will ever fit a person. Generalized sure, like my post above. But really you would need a combination of hundreds of labels to be close to accurate.

Someone build a pie chart!

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What labels to I assign myself? Well, of course I am a human, of Vietnamese nationality and ancestry, well educated and traveled and fluent in a few languages. Politically I am a Communist but of the more modern sort that tolerates religion and market economics and open economies -- technically much more Leninist/Platonist (support one-party "elite" government and think modern "democracy" is an illusion) than Marxist (don't forsee an upcoming world revolution) flavor.

Now what am I spiritually and philosophically -- the point of this thread? I think I am a Buddhist, even though I don't believe the Buddha story (except its broad outlines) and am agnostic about rebirth. The tradition and many Buddhist practices, especially meditation and the monastic movement for certain people and the establishment of refuges (temples) for the public are good traditions. I think karma is very real, in an objective, practical sense -- if you do evil it comes back on you and vice-versa.

I'm also kinda a Taoist: there is something in the universe that provides beings with sensate natures and ultimately consciousness and free will, and logically this cannot derive from strict materialism (aka physicalism). However I reject the notion of God -- this "something" is pretty much if not absolutely incomprehensible to us and is not perceivable as a person or as a personality.

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your an atheist, a possible buddist, more then likely your a follower of oprah whinfrey's cult hahaha....

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your an atheist, a possible buddist, more then likely your a follower of oprah whinfrey's cult hahaha....

There is no conflict between atheism and Buddhism; in fact this tends to be the case among most educated Vietnamese. I have heard of Oprah Winfrey, but I have no knowledge of her beyond that. The real point I was trying to make is that although I am a socialist and Communist in the political sense, I don't think materialism as it was taught by Marx and others in the nineteenth century is able to deal with things Asian philosophers, particularly the Chinese, brought to our attention, but which most Westerners are ignorant of.

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I was gonna suggest scientologist based on your belief that aliens may have created us - but you said no name calling so, I retract that. ;)

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There is no conflict between atheism and Buddhism; in fact this tends to be the case among most educated Vietnamese. I have heard of Oprah Winfrey, but I have no knowledge of her beyond that. The real point I was trying to make is that although I am a socialist and Communist in the political sense, I don't think materialism as it was taught by Marx and others in the nineteenth century is able to deal with things Asian philosophers, particularly the Chinese, brought to our attention, but which most Westerners are ignorant of.

I didn't mean you were an atheist, buddist, and oprah whinfrey culties, I mean that in reference to the guy who started this topic. And yeah I know atheism and buddism go hand in hand. Both don't believe in God, the only real difference is that buddists try to get rid of all worldly attachments in hopes that they will stay dead once they die... and athiests don't really know one way or another, they just know there is no God and that there are no sets of rules they have to follow except ones they make up themselves....

Oprah pretty much teaches that you are your own savior and your own God, and pretty much to worship yourself...

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You are a human being on this planet at this moment in time. people have been killed just because of names relating to what they believe. Just be happy you are here and have beliefs. If you want to remain an individual, then following a chosen name will put a stop to that, but its your choice if you want to be part of a collective, which (contradictory to what i have said really) we all are, but I say a "human being" is probably the safest bet.....puzzled-smiley-emoticon.gif

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It's best not to seek a lebel even when one is found that fit's your criteria. A label is indicative of conforming to a sociological Consortium. What this means is that as soon as you lable yourself and join a consortium with a universal mindset of beleifs, you tend to stammer off from being your own individual and following that group no matter how their beleifs stray over time. Remain an individual. Don't label yourself. Seek truth on your own terms.

Great Post.

Labels also hamper and distort perceptions & they can trap people into a fixed perception of reality. There is a lot to be said about the dangers of labelling ones inner beliefs.. They deserve no label because belief in one fundamental reality or another is an authority of it's own.

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Great Post.

Labels also hamper and distort perceptions & they can trap people into a fixed perception of reality. There is a lot to be said about the dangers of labelling ones inner beliefs.. They deserve no label because belief in one fundamental reality or another is an authority of it's own.

It is true that labels distort, but I think they are nevertheless useful and in fact sometimes essential. If I decide someone is "dishonest," this is a useful label for me since now I know what to expect. It is not a judgment about the person but a useful perception into their personality.I tell people I'm a Communist, what does that mean? To most Americans they are at first disturbed but try to be liberal, but of course being a Communist in the States is horrid, while in Vietnam it is pretty much normal. Most Americans, however, have almost no idea what it might actually mean, and, of course, over time, the meaning has evolved.I also stick my neck out and praise Taoist ideas about what might be the non-material "thing" in existence that makes consciousness and sentience possible, something Westerners have almost no conception is even a problem. I wouldn't label myself a Taoist, however, but only that I think this approach makes sense while the Western reductionist positivist approach is sterile.

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It is true that labels distort, but I think they are nevertheless useful and in fact sometimes essential. If I decide someone is "dishonest," this is a useful label for me since now I know what to expect. It is not a judgment about the person but a useful perception into their personality.I tell people I'm a Communist, what does that mean? To most Americans they are at first disturbed but try to be liberal, but of course being a Communist in the States is horrid, while in Vietnam it is pretty much normal. Most Americans, however, have almost no idea what it might actually mean, and, of course, over time, the meaning has evolved.I also stick my neck out and praise Taoist ideas about what might be the non-material "thing" in existence that makes consciousness and sentience possible, something Westerners have almost no conception is even a problem. I wouldn't label myself a Taoist, however, but only that I think this approach makes sense while the Western reductionist positivist approach is sterile.

You practically support "no labels" with your attempt to support "labels". In other words, technically you are saying that since at least oncei n your entire life, you have been dishonest about something, it is okay and useful for someone to label you as dishonest. Furthermore, the original post was not referring to someone labeling other people... it was about someone placing a label on themselves. Otherwise I assume there is a specific limit to how often you can be dishonest before the label takes effect? Additionally, you said "at first disturbed but try to be liberal, but of course being a Communist in the States is horrid, while in Vietnam it is pretty much normal" whic proves my point that lables allow others to identify you as this or that despite the various views on what you yourself beleive that label to mean. It's like when people say "Christians believe this and Christians believe that" but all the while, not all Christians believe the same things. So then we have sects of religions wherebye, even inside the sects and denominations, people argue or debate various topics amongst themselves.

A label is a way of conforming to something in order to feel like you fit in somewhere or "belong". It's something people subject themselves to when they are insecure about who they are. Who labels the cool people? Who labels the nerds? Who labels an evil person and who labels the good? What label are you putting on me right now? And there is nothing wrong with that? I could sit here and label you as judgemental but how could I have the right to do that when -if all I know, you could be the most thoughful, helpful and sympathetic person that I have ever known if I knew you well enough. I only know people from the small examples that have been displayed in the very short moments of my life where they were involved. MY POINT = People can only successfuly and accurately label themselves. And when they label themselves based on the definition of those labels as set by other people, they are essentially not labeling themselves at all but inviting you to do it for them.

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It is true that labels distort, but I think they are nevertheless useful and in fact sometimes essential. If I decide someone is "dishonest," this is a useful label for me since now I know what to expect. It is not a judgment about the person but a useful perception into their personality.I tell people I'm a Communist, what does that mean? To most Americans they are at first disturbed but try to be liberal, but of course being a Communist in the States is horrid, while in Vietnam it is pretty much normal. Most Americans, however, have almost no idea what it might actually mean, and, of course, over time, the meaning has evolved.I also stick my neck out and praise Taoist ideas about what might be the non-material "thing" in existence that makes consciousness and sentience possible, something Westerners have almost no conception is even a problem. I wouldn't label myself a Taoist, however, but only that I think this approach makes sense while the Western reductionist positivist approach is sterile.

Exactly.. You've proved the point..

If YOU decide someone is dishonest that label belongs to YOU.. That label has no real function other than to yourself.. If you tell others, some might agree, others wont.. That label is an authority of it's own, it's weight and value is traded, and used and abused by those who use it and those who throw it around. Each and every person who uses it will have a different perception of it's meaning, and when people use it by saying "That person is dishonest" it's weight and value changes depending on circumstance, delivery and peoples own perceptions of the deliverer.. The same can be said for all labels..

Yes labels are important for communication.. But all too often they are abused to extremes, and when people & groups of people attach themselves to a collective Label that comes under attack by opposing labels you've got yourself two groups of people who are blinded by their labels/banners/flags.. Then you have people who attach themselves to national Labels "Vietnam, America, Russia, and we love to associate ourselves with these national identities (Labels).. and when they come under attack, we come under attack and do on the offensive.. It's a vicious circle caused by people choosing to attach themselves to labels..

The OP was questioning her own beliefs & putting it out that she didn't know what label her beliefs came under. It is all well to do so to learn if there are others yourself out there.. Seeking that info is fine... But the good advice was not to label herself, because that is a form of attachment & conformity which ruins individuality..

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Your point is that labels have bad or misleading effects, my point is that they are helpful. I don't know that the two are mutually exclusive. I call a table a table, and you have an idea what I am talking about. I say a certain person is a bully, you also know what I am talking about, although if you met them you might disagree. We need to be able to use labels, and self-labeling is part of self-knowledge. An excellent example of that was when I told my self I was depressed. Without that self-knowledge I would not have gotten help. Now I have techniques that keep me happy as a lark.

I think you go too far in your discussion of the label "dishonest." It doesn't mean someone who a few times in their lives have lied, and everyone knows that, so I don't have to explain. The label "dishonest" basically is a warning -- verify before you trust. As such it is extremely useful, and we make such assessments all the time.

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I think maybe what you guys are complaining about is the propaganda technique called "name calling."

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