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Let me first of all say CB, that I also find there are often too many quotes to answer and they seem to be coming thick and fast with this particular topic. I don't think I'll be giving it too much more of my time as I have other things in my life to deal with! I will soon be un-following this topic as my email inbox is chocker-blocked every morning with new replies! Just to add a little bit extra to your comment: Professor Hynek was actually a paid government debunker as well as a skeptic, (and astronomer), who slowly, over a period of time, converted to believing that there was something to the UFO phenomenon. The following link will give you a very interesting read about his experiences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek

Already given to CB, but reading does not seem to be the strong point of an FTB.

This is from your link, which just happens to be the one I keep offering:

The Embarrassment of the Riches." He was aware that the quantity of UFO sightings was much higher than the Project Blue Book statistics. Just this puzzled him. "A few good sightings a year, over the world, would bolster the extraterrestrial hypothesis—but many thousands every year? From remote regions of space? And to what purpose? To scare us by stopping cars, and disturbing animals, and puzzling us with their seemingly pointless antics?"

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An outright silly idea? Did you get that from an informed source or are you simply 'informing by proclamation'? I don't think it's likely there would be as intense radiation in interstellar space as would be emitted by high energy radar here on earth. Of course I haven't been out there to carry out any measurements and neither have you! To encounter dangerously high levels of radiation in interstellar space I think it would be necessary to journey dangerously close to a star.

Have you heard of the "Voyager" probes?

Entering Interstellar space right now. They give us a darn good idea of what is "out there" as that is where they are.

It is preposterous to consider that RADAR or a radio emission would cause such grief to an advanced craft. Have you ever seen Jupiter? Our wildest storms are likend to a clam balmy day by comparison. To think Aliens are caught by surprise in this peaceful environment is quite a tall order, and you need to evidence that if claiming this actually happened, because evidence to suggest the contrary exists in bounds. Indeed, it is a rather silly notion when you understand emissions.

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I have no idea where you read this sci-fy nonsense..... maybe you need to check your sources.

Try this smart ass! http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/is-secret-government-radar-cause-the-ufo-crash-at-roswell/ And there are many other accounts of military radar as being a possible cause of the flying saucers to crash at Roswell but I haven't got the time to dig them out just to please you! :passifier:

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Of course us low-tech humans can have thousands of planes in the air 24/7 and they are not dropping out of the sky due to any sort of radar..... :w00t:

How could they travel in interstellar space without fear of micrometeorites, neutrons, cosmic radiation, xrays and the whole myriad of radiation infinitely more powerful than anything we could hope to have/make?

Space is NOT a biological creature friendly place.

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Do you know if a dialogue is online, and does it clear up any of the questions you had before you read it?

That's a good question - I do not know. I was thinking about trying to transcribe it when I have the time - but unfortunately that commodity has been in very short supply as of late.

I'm not sure why you can't see thre link I posted - you may want to try and go directly on YouTube yourself and simply search on his name. It's an interview he gave shortly before he died. As far as I know, it's the only video interview he ever did.

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Have you heard of the "Voyager" probes?

Entering Interstellar space right now. They give us a darn good idea of what is "out there" as that is where they are.

It is preposterous to consider that RADAR or a radio emission would cause such grief to an advanced craft. Have you ever seen Jupiter? Our wildest storms are likend to a clam balmy day by comparison. To think Aliens are caught by surprise in this peaceful environment is quite a tall order, and you need to evidence that if claiming this actually happened, because evidence to suggest the contrary exists in bounds. Indeed, it is a rather silly notion when you understand emissions.

Of course I have heard of the Voyager probes and I am fully aware that they are now entering interstellar space. Can you give me some idea of what levels of radiation they are encountering right now? Are you able to receive and decode their signals? And what in the name of goodness has Jupiter got to do with anything? Anyway, I'm not saying that radar was definitely the cause of the UFOs crashing at Roswell, just that it has been proposed as a possibility. After all it has frequently been stated by credible people who have had UFO encounters, (and in a well know case by a police officer. If you want the link I can let you have it), that the electrics in their cars went dead while a UFO was close by and that they, (the electrics), came back on when the UFO disappeared. So it seems feasible that it could also happen the other way around.

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Of course I have heard of the Voyager probes and I am fully aware that they are now entering interstellar space. Can you give me some idea of what levels of radiation they are encountering right now? Are you able to receive and decode their signals? And what in the name of goodness has Jupiter got to do with anything? Anyway, I'm not saying that radar was definitely the cause of the UFOs crashing at Roswell, just that it has been proposed as a possibility. After all it has frequently been stated by credible people who have had UFO encounters, (and in a well know case by a police officer. If you want the link I can let you have it), that the electrics in their cars went dead while a UFO was close by and that they, (the electrics), came back on when the UFO disappeared. So it seems feasible that it could also happen the other way around.

With the shear number of reports of UFO's/Alien space ships flying about why do we not have mass traffic jams caused by one just happening to fly by? Most sightings involve one or small numbers of people oddly enough. That doesn't solve the contradiction though since the 'ship' would still have to fly from somewhere to where the witnesses would be. I cannot recall ever hearing a story where dozens of cars quit working on an interstate or any other road.

This is the problem, the stories cannot be verified at all. They are nothing more than stories and Roswell as you are presenting it is just another story with zero real evidence to support it.

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Try this smart ass! http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/is-secret-government-radar-cause-the-ufo-crash-at-roswell/ And there are many other accounts of military radar as being a possible cause of the flying saucers to crash at Roswell but I haven't got the time to dig them out just to please you! :passifier:

We have seen that and, no, it has no merit.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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WRONG BK! Mack Brazel's late daughter Bessie was initially one of the Air Force's star witnesses in their July 1994 Project Mogul report by supporting the Air Force's contention that her father had recovered a high altitude balloon in the first week of July 1947. In recent years before she died, however, she recanted that position and conceded, "It was another occurrence altogether. I had helped my dad gather up weather balloons on a number of occasions. I have come to the conclusion that what my dad found back at that time was something else altogether." :P

Maybe you can help me and quote where Bessie stated that?

Cheers,

Badeskov

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If the 0.5 watt output from a mobile phone can interfere with an aircraft's systems how much more interference might be caused by high intensity radar? And I'm not talking about the standard radar that is used at airports.

It is a good point, although not a valid one. While there is certainly some concern regarding aircraft and cell phones, it is more playing it safe as there could be interference. But that said, you completely missed the point. The intensity of electromagnetic radiation in space far surpasses what any radar system here on Earth emits. Thus if ET can make it as far as to here, then they will have no problem with radar systems of Terra Firma.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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It is a good point, although not a valid one. While there is certainly some concern regarding aircraft and cell phones, it is more playing it safe as there could be interference. But that said, you completely missed the point. The intensity of electromagnetic radiation in space far surpasses what any radar system here on Earth emits. Thus if ET can make it as far as to here, then they will have no problem with radar systems of Terra Firma.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Please give your source for what I have highlighted above.

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I think the ones suffering from paranoia are the US military. They are shaking in their boots that the truth about flying saucers will ever reach the public.

Ohhh codswallop. This is such rubbish, do these scare tactics work on FTB's?

What the hell will happen of the public know UFO's are ET craft? A few thousand FTB's will say "I told you so"? The military are not going to be scared of that.

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Their first release to the press was that they had captured a flying disc. That was retracted a few hours later and replaced by a weather balloon. Then years later they said it was project mogul. I think the cat was let well and truly out of the bag by the first statement!

Not true at all, the first press release aid it was a disc, and that disc just happens to be suspended by a balloon

"The disc is hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a ballon [sic] by cable, which ballon [sic] was approximately twenty feet in diameter. Major Curtan further advices that the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector, but that telephonic concersation between their office and Wright field had not [uNINTELLIGIBLE] borne out this belief.

The MOGUL project was a secret project, not even the people on MOGUL knew about MOGUL due to compartmentalisation of the project. When MOGUL became declassified in the 90's the information was released. So it went from Balloon with a RAWIN, to Weather Balloon with a RAWIN (same thing) the a MOGUL balloon with a RAWIN. No change there, but the FTB's? Added aliens, added a second crash, have several conflicting sources that do not line up, and now books claim up to 600 witnesses. Yes, that is right, the claim is 600 people.

Who is changing the story? Not the USAF they said balloon all along. The FTB's have changed the tale to suit the most popular headline going.

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If the 0.5 watt output from a mobile phone can interfere with an aircraft's systems how much more interference might be caused by high intensity radar? And I'm not talking about the standard radar that is used at airports.

You do realise that RADAR track planes each and every day don't you?

Could I trouble you to show us a direct link between such devices and actual RF interference with aircraft systems? As far as I am aware, this has not been scientifically proven.

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WRONG BK! Mack Brazel's late daughter Bessie was initially one of the Air Force's star witnesses in their July 1994 Project Mogul report by supporting the Air Force's contention that her father had recovered a high altitude balloon in the first week of July 1947. In recent years before she died, however, she recanted that position and conceded, "It was another occurrence altogether. I had helped my dad gather up weather balloons on a number of occasions. I have come to the conclusion that what my dad found back at that time was something else altogether." :P

Ohh, gee that would have nothing to do with pressure from her brother now would it? Who just happens to be right in the thick of the Roswell tale, but never saw the field. And never agreed with his Father on the debris.

Her recant consists of:

"If Dad said something happened, it happened! No ifs, ands, or buts about it."

But how does that disqualify the initial description given at the time? Not exactly recanting, but bowing to pressure.

In any case, you are stuck on MOGUL, when I feel sufficient evidence exists to indicate that Roswell was a Intelligence Operation to draw away the attention of the public. If you do a search on Lost Shaman Roswell Hypothesis here you might see it in a different light again, but unfortunately for the UFOlogists, still no aliens.

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Please give your source for what I have highlighted above.

If I may?

LINK

What is space radiation?

Radiation may be defined as energy in transit in the form of high-speed particles and electromagnetic waves. Electromagnetic radiation is very common in our everyday lives in the form visible light, radio and television waves, and microwaves. Radiation is divided into two categories - ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation.

  • Ionizing radiation is radiation with sufficient energy to remove electrons from the orbits of atoms resulting in charged particles, and it is this type of radiation that is evaluated for purposes of radiation protection. Examples of ionizing radiation include gamma rays, protons, and neutrons. Ionizing radiation is different from ion formation that occurs in ordinary chemical reactions, such as the generation of table salt from sodium and chlorine. In such a reaction, only the outermost electron is removed to form a positively charged ion. With ionizing radiation, if the energy is sufficient, electrons other than those in the outermost orbits can be released; this process renders the atom very unstable, and these ions are very chemically reactive.
  • Non-ionizing radiation is radiation without sufficient energy to remove electrons from their orbits. Examples are microwaves, radio waves, and visible light.

Space radiation consists primarily of ionizing radiation which exists in the form of high-energy, charged particles. There are three naturally occurring sources of space radiation: trapped radiation, galactic cosmic radiation (GCR), and solar particle events (SPE).

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Did you say Space radishes and cosmic garlic ? Remember the Shower tonight ! :tu:

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Please give your source for what I have highlighted above.

I did already, but you seemed to miss it. So let me ask again, why do you think that electronics that is in space need to be radiation hardened as per the wiki link I quoted earlier? Frankly, I can quote paper after paper, but I am getting an idea that you would readily dismiss it as you just dismissed/ignored the easily readable wiki link I supplied.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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Did you say Space radishes and cosmic garlic ? Remember the Shower tonight ! :tu:

Space Radishes, Cosmic Garlic, it all adds up with the Whirled Peas. :D

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Hi Lost Shaman

I see you! :D

I now what you are going to say about MOGUL, but I am still trying to get these guys to have a look at your Hypothesis, which I have mentioned to them is superior.

It's just going slowly, one step at a time, these guys seem to need to come to terms with MOGUL before you blow their minds with your Hypothesis. Right now, most are struggling with even the test dummies. I have not even got to the service/train terminology there yet, or what actually most likely took of on the day, of course, I find your evaluation sound, and more than plausible. Sort of like a step by step program for FTB's if you will :D

We will get there. I hope.

Cheers.

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I can see your very patient! I admire that. Yeah I still stand by my hypothesis. Too much evidence pointing in that direction to be mere coinsidence IMO.

Man I certaily miss using a real keyboard! Unfortunately I still have to many other priorities right now getting ready for my daughter to come move in with me! It's still going to be several more months before I get a proper internet connection!

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Try this smart ass! http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/is-secret-government-radar-cause-the-ufo-crash-at-roswell/ And there are many other accounts of military radar as being a possible cause of the flying saucers to crash at Roswell but I haven't got the time to dig them out just to please you! :passifier:

They still do not produce harmful emissions. They just use two types of RADAR technology to confirm each other. Not going to bring down an RC copter let alone a flying saucer.

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I can see your very patient! I admire that. Yeah I still stand by my hypothesis. Too much evidence pointing in that direction to be mere coinsidence IMO.

Man I certaily miss using a real keyboard! Unfortunately I still have to many other priorities right now getting ready for my daughter to come move in with me! It's still going to be several more months before I get a proper internet connection!

I'd send you a computer if I could, cheers mate, good to know you are still around. :tu:

Be good to have some family around - I hope! :D

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I'd send you a computer if I could, cheers mate, good to know you are still around. :tu:

Be good to have some family around - I hope! :D

I appreciate the thought psyche!

I have a computer but I loaned it to my sister who is going to nursing school. I dont need it because I have about 15 other things i need to get for my daughter first before I have the extra money to get an internet connection turned on. Its something I want but dont need to survive.

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I appreciate the thought psyche!

I have a computer but I loaned it to my sister who is going to nursing school. I dont need it because I have about 15 other things i need to get for my daughter first before I have the extra money to get an internet connection turned on. Its something I want but dont need to survive.

Hey LS, when you get things sorted don't be a stranger. :tu:

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