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Roswell guard ordered to 'shoot to kill'

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Per Psyche:

Hi Tim

I think you pointed out a most prudent point, and indeed I have seen you support Mr Bragalia when many others dismissed him. LS does favourably support Mr Bragalia I have noticed in the past, and I must say, that support bewilders me as it seems rather obvious to me that LS is a far more competent and fair researcher by comparison. You gave Mr Bragalia the benefit of the doubt, so one can see that you too are a fair man, one cannot ask for more I believe. And it does indeed illustrate Mr Bragalias way of thinking - change the subject when backed into a corner. He never proved the recant, which as far as I am aware is somewhat ambiguous, and indeed appears to be bowing to pressure, from her Brother I would suspect. Her original statement would be a huge thorn in Jesse Jr's bok sales and speaking tour, Roswell seems to be his bread and butter and lets face it, in front of all these people how the heck can he say what he does with a straight face when his sister refutes his claim with one line, and actually went there, unlike Jesse, and was older than Jesse at the time. It is more than plainly obvious that te UFOlogists flock to Jesse Jr because he tells them what they want to hear. Roswell ET is his business, that is plain to see to anyone who cares to look.

I had openly supported Tony's Socorro Hoax Theory on this and other sites...mainly due to Tony's willingness to look at other factors (causation?) in a supposed UFO claim. I'll support critical thinking regardless of the individual. What came about of his theory appears to be in lingo at this time...as far as I'm aware. Frank Slater had previously offered a hoax scenario for Socorro some time ago and Frank is a "nuts and bolt" UFO kind of guy...I do like some of Frank's work and wish that he would provide more articles on his site.

I'm aware that Tony was a late add on to Randle's team. Honestly, I prefer Tony over David Rudiack. Dr. Rudiack tends to carpet bomb the comments section on Randle's site which I do follow on a fairly regular basis. Interesting thing, Rich Reynolds (ufo iconoclasts) hosts the Bragalia Files site, yet Randle does not offer a link to Tony's...wouldn't read to much into that, but it's odd to me.

As I've stated in a previous post, Roswell never was a captivating interest to me urging me to dive into all of it's minutia and twists and turns. My intuition tells me that there was not a UFO crash and that's why the story died until Friedman stepped in and others followed thus contaminating any future investigation. Kevin Randle has researched this incident more than anyone that I'm aware of, yet now he has to put together a team to re-investigate? Roswell appears to be Ufology's version of a "self-licking ice cream cone."

Tim

Edited by Tim Hebert

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One can Lick until the Cow`s get tipped,But It will never change the Facts ! But then again ITs always fun to watch the fun and games !

E.T. is out there laughing as we type ! :tu:

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Even in the 1960s Polaroid photographs were still of very poor quality and I have seen many that were taken at that time. I doubt very much if any army anywhere in the world would have made use of them. As I stated before, armies had their own photographers and processing labs and, before the days of digital, were able to produce very high quality enlargements within a very short period of time.

You're right Mr. Serendipity, in the 60's I did two tours in Vietnam. My first tour was in the early 60's and I had a polariod camera and there was a little sponge thing in a tube with some kind of liquid in it. After you took a picture you had to sweep across the pic with that wet spongeAnd the pictures were vey small and not very good quality. I think I've still got a few of them.

Odie

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What the hell is your problem? You got your pantie liner on with the sticky side up?

What's my problem? I suppose where you are concerned it would be that I can read.

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I just always keep my handy Smart phone at my side for those Pesky E.T `s

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You're right Mr. Serendipity, in the 60's I did two tours in Vietnam. My first tour was in the early 60's and I had a polariod camera and there was a little sponge thing in a tube with some kind of liquid in it. After you took a picture you had to sweep across the pic with that wet spongeAnd the pictures were vey small and not very good quality. I think I've still got a few of them.

Odie

Yeah ! And as soon as they found out that you could sniff the tubes dry and Fly like a Eagle they discontinued those tubes ! Real bummer for all our troops,But It did save a few thousand lifes !

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First, it was claimed that it was a captured UFO. That was an official press release by the army and by those who could obviously tell the difference between a downed weather balloon and possible ET craft.

http://www.roswellproof.com/

>>Headline edition July 8, 1947, the army air force has announced that a flying disc has been found and is now in possession of the army. Army officers say that the missile found sometime last week has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico, and sent to Wright Field, Ohio, for further inspection.<<

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1142.htm

What do the Russians know about the most celebrated of all UFO crashes, the July, 1947 report of a crashed disc outside Roswell, New Mexico? Our next interview made it seem apparent that, even in the 40s, the Russians weren't buying the weather balloon explanation of Roswell being proffered to the American people at the time by the US military. The interview was with Valeriy Burdakov, a man who, to my knowledge, has never granted an interview to a Western journalist. In the 1950s, Burdakov was a scientist at the prestigious Moscow Aviation Institute, birthplace of the Soviet space program. Burdakov's interest in UFOs led to lectures on the subject, lectures which came to the attention of Sergei Korolyov, the dean of Soviet rocketry and the founder of the Russian space program. But Korolyov did not admonish the younger Burdakov; instead he confided in him.

As the now-60-something Burdakov relates, Joseph Stalin invited Korolyov to a meeting in 1948. The dictator brought Korolyov to a room where, spread out on a table, were piles of material and information collected during a top secret study. Some of the information was gleaned from reports of Soviet operatives in place in New Mexico at the time of the alleged crash. Stalin was anxious to know, what did Korolyov make of this reported crash of a UFO near Roswell?

"Korolyov told Stalin the phenomenon was real," said Burdakov. "He told him the UFOs were not dangerous to our country, but they were not manufactured in the United States, or any other country. Stalin thanked him and told him his opinion was shared by a number of other specialists." Burdakov says he has no doubts about the extent of the American government's involvement in the UFO phenomenon.

http://ufocon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/roswell-crash-debris-guard-i-was.html

If the testimony of one particular Roswell vet holds true, then the Air Force explanation of a Mogul balloon train accounting for a crashed UFO cannot be. This is because the vet maintains that the Provost Marshal of the base had issued to him the most extreme and dreaded of commands: He was ordered to “shoot to kill” anyone who ever tried to enter the hangar in which the crash debris was stored. One would not be commanded to kill over a balloon. Serviceman Calvin Cox has held secret his disturbing Roswell experience for decades. He was ordered to never speak of it. And he never has...until now.

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Hey psyche,

I do agree with Tony that the Time Photographer says he was flown to New Mexico right as Roswell happened but was flown into the desert and missed the event and regreted that he was walking around in the desert on an invitation from the AAF while Roswell happened and he missed it!

Again it fits with my hypothesis, not Tony's. He was a member of the Press and seems to have been targetted just a day or two before the Roswell events.

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http://www.ufocasebook.com/vonbraunroswell.html

Dr. Von Braun explained how he and unnamed associates had been taken to the crash site after the bulk of the military personnel had left the scene. They did a quick once over of the site, Van Braun stated. He related how the exterior of the space craft was not metal as we know it, but appeared to be made of something biological, like skin.

McClelland's only thought at the time was that he was being told that the craft was made of something "alive."

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Hey psyche,

I do agree with Tony that the Time Photographer says he was flown to New Mexico right as Roswell happened but was flown into the desert and missed the event and regreted that he was walking around in the desert on an invitation from the AAF while Roswell happened and he missed it!

Again it fits with my hypothesis, not Tony's. He was a member of the Press and seems to have been targetted just a day or two before the Roswell events.

I am sure I remember, the Jacket conversation? Allan Grant and the great meteor chase?

Agreed, it certainly supports your hypothesis as opposed to Tony's. He might stumble on the odd item here and there, but seems overly zealous to me. I hope he reads my post and gives an answer to why he is not pursuing this line of investigation. Maybe is is annoyed that he has to bow to you as the final nail in the Roswell Coffin?

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I am sure I remember, the Jacket conversation? Allan Grant and the great meteor chase?

yes, the conversation was quite heated over at ATS on this matter with LS and some others...in fact I cannot remember how it ended but have a feeling the moderators killed it off but not sure this was justified.....it felt biased.

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Thread cleaned

Could we keep the comments civil and constructive please, there are far too many personal attacks being thrown around.

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Yeah ! And as soon as they found out that you could sniff the tubes dry and Fly like a Eagle they discontinued those tubes ! Real bummer for all our troops,But It did save a few thousand lifes !

I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

Odie

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I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

Odie

I have been an amateur photographer, (on and off), for quite a number of years, and before the days of digital photography I processed my own films, (black and white), and made my own enlargements. I was well used to being exposed to the different photographic chemicals and I have to say that, (unfortunately maybe!), I never experienced any drug affect! :cry:

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yes, the conversation was quite heated over at ATS on this matter with LS and some others...in fact I cannot remember how it ended but have a feeling the moderators killed it off but not sure this was justified.....it felt biased.

Hey quillius,

I agree. I made the case clear cut. Tim Printy couldnt accept it and the Mods over there were willing to in part rewrite the history of the AAF just to gime Tim Printy the leeway not to admit he was wrong and the closed the thread. But that was over at Reality Uncovered not ATS.

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I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

Odie

Well odie ! IT was a fairly well known thing in the late 50`s up into the very early 60`s I remember the older kids stealing there mom,and dads camera`s to get the packets ! Its why Wood stock happened I think,I just cant remember where I put that tohught ?

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Hey quillius,

I agree. I made the case clear cut. Tim Printy couldnt accept it and the Mods over there were willing to in part rewrite the history of the AAF just to gime Tim Printy the leeway not to admit he was wrong and the closed the thread. But that was over at Reality Uncovered not ATS.

oops, it was indeed reality uncovered not ATS...lets hope I am not sued for that slander :w00t:

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oops, it was indeed reality uncovered not ATS...lets hope I am not sued for that slander :w00t:

Joe Ezseterhas has some experience in this, maybe he can give you some pointers :P

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Well odie ! IT was a fairly well known thing in the late 50`s up into the very early 60`s I remember the older kids stealing there mom,and dads camera`s to get the packets ! Its why Wood stock happened I think,I just cant remember where I put that tohught ?

I was raised on a farm until I went into the service. So I guess I was out of the loop on what was happening at that time. I had never even heard of marijuana at that point.

Odie

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I was raised on a farm until I went into the service. So I guess I was out of the loop on what was happening at that time. I had never even heard of marijuana at that point.

Odie

Ouch ! Thats gotta hurt Odie ! Weed is now becoming quite the threat to the Tobacco bussiness,But For sure our Troops in Nam,were well on the way to seeing the Light of Green Monster ! Sad but true. Good thing they brought back such a demand for the stuff for all the Weed Growers here and ,did become a really Big part of many lifes now.

I dont partake in the Stuff,but I do think its going to be here forever @@ IMO. Maybe its whaty some of our Troops dont Shoot when there told too? :gun:

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Joe Ezseterhas has some experience in this, maybe he can give you some pointers :P

:clap::tu: excellent

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Standard protocol for “unexplained” or classified sites no matter if it’s a crash site of an experimental aircraft/UFO or a secure site such as area 51 is Shoot to wound ideally but shoot to kill is authorised when and only when three warnings have been disregarded.

Shoot to wound is for obvious reasons, if a person is that determined to access and secure site then we want to know why even if the answer is just “I was curious” and to make a legal example if them to try to stop other from doing it.

Edited by Capt. P. Lilandra

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Standard protocol for “unexplained” or classified sites no matter if it’s a crash site of an experimental aircraft/UFO or a secure site such as area 51 is Shoot to wound ideally but shoot to kill is authorised when and only when three warnings have been disregarded.

Shoot to wound is for obvious reasons, if a person is that determined to access and secure site then we want to know why even if the answer is just “I was curious” and to make a legal example if them to try to stop other from doing it.

For people that might even be the case in some instances, but for Aliens, that seems more than strange, Quarantine seems a much more important protocol to me. No good if the dead body still wipes out the planet is it?

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What most people will never understand, because they are so closed minded, is that after WW2, the US knew they would be in some sort of conflict with the USSR, given their aggressive stance and territorial claims after the war (East Berlin and the iron curtain). Both sides were rushing to secure as many former Nazi scientists as they could, and both sides were experamenting with new, top secret technology they didn't want the other to have.

Of course a shoot to kill order was given, especially if what this really was, was something of significant tactical importance they were working on. People don't understand how the government works when it comes to this sort of top secret stuff, so they think a shoot to kill order must mean aliens, when in reality, its standard operating procedure when protecting sensetive information/technology.

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Cases like this are great, but its unfortunate that the only really interesting stuff is from all these years ago, or rendlesham forest etc.. its mainly cases where reputable people have seen things but its hard to get any information at all, and definatly not an actual video of it.

I just wish something would happen in modern world 2013 in a major city with everyone filiming it :( sadly i doubt it will happen

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