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Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

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Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

But how many of these attacks, was there time for help to have arrived...and yet was withheld? I wonder this...

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Depends where you get your news, I guess. I heard a Middle East expert on Bill Maher say differently, no deaths under Bush (W) but thousands under the Clinton Administration.

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Rachel Maddow revealed how Republican legislators, who are supposed to be mainstream, are actually basing their actions on Alex Jones and Glenn Beck conspiracy theories.

At the 12:55 mark of this video, Maddow begins to explain how they are not looking at the Benghazi attack as an attack on our nation but instead are seeing it as a conspiracy theory and scandal.

(Must watch the whole video to get the full argument including the Saudi that was supposedly involved in the Boston bombing, another CT, was let go.)

She then goes on to comment that they have been so unorganized when it comes to everything else that is important to us but have come together for this: conspiracy theory.

So "how many of these attacks, was there time for help to have arrived?" Not sure but this attack is not one of those. That is a conspiracy theory repeated on extremist right-wing media, no mater which disgruntled "whistleblower" they bring out, some are allowing them to cause others to lose their focus.

This is their focus.

At the 14 minute mark of that video Huckabee reveals the real reason for this braying over Benghazi, not to tighten up security measures to minimize our risk from these embassy attacks from happening again, not to minimize the loss of future lives, no, it is all a concerted effort to try and impeach our president, because they just don't like him.

Instead of focusing on real world issues they are off into CT land, again. Not everyone will join them, care to come back to reality?

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Here is a list of 13 embassies, so is it 13 or 14? Did they miss one?

So I thought I’d revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher — especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they’re so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly “keeping us safe.”

The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News

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The silence is getting a little deafening, hmm.

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Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

Come on Brit, you're smarter than this.

Benghazi, Lewinsky, Iran Contra, Watergate - it's never about the actual event, it's about the cover up.

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Cover ups = conspiracy theory.

That is a different forum.

This is about the hypocritical crowing from the Republicans.

They just make themselves too obvious, their goals are implicit whenever they speak about Benghazi, their main focus is clearly in the language they use, always about defaming or wanting to see someone they do not like lose their job.

They spend all their energy on who did wrong, specific persons, but none on wanting to actually learn better strategy, fix the errors, and be better prepared next time which is policy- and not people-focused.

The cover up being discussed points to that, you said it as well, it is about the cover up, and that implies somoene is doing the cover up, someone here is doing wrong, someone, someone, that is their main focus.

They make it so obvious, people are not foolish, except those who are going along with that party line.

The rest of the media and the country is like meh.

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Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

This is not about attacking Bush, of course not, this is about protecting the Savior or whatever the hollywood elite call him this week.

We all know that President and his cronies wouldn't politicize any tragedies that have occurred... Like say, Newtown...

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Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

What is your point? Do you have one becasue you are completely missing what this is about. It isn't that there was an attack, it was that we were told it was a demonstration about a movie for purely political reasons. it is about the failure to secure the facility adequately. It is about not sending forces to interdict the attackers.

Ar eyou happy that the WH and State Dept. lied to you? Is it acceptable that they stopped reinforcements from deployoing out of Tripoli because they are democrats? Is anything acceptable as long as it is a democrat doing it? It seems that way to me for a lot of people and the MSM.

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They did not lie.

Obama and Rice could not reveal classified information to the public.

They had to give the information the CIA released as declassified, very bland and brief.

The CIA was trying to hunt these guys down, to instantly say we know who did it, would have hurt their investigation.

Obama called it a terrorist attack two days later. That is when he was allowed to say it.

The WH and SD did not lie to me. Don't forget those FOX guys are also blaming the CIA.

FOX news is lying to others.

FOX news is the only source of complaints from the media.

Most of America is not buying it.

They never stopped reinforcements.

One plane that Hicks claims was stopped was already said to be evacuating others.

The bottom line is this: if the belly-aching from the right was based on saving lives, from not letting it happen again, they would focus on policy.

If all their efforts were on policy we would have a better policy in place faster, that would save lives, a policy which would continue past this administration.

Wasting time on people who won't be in office or appointed in a few years is a waste of energy. Their conspriacy theories are based on emotional tirades and not critical thinking.

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Is anything acceptable as long as it is a democrat doing it? It seems that way to me for a lot of people and the MSM.

So the people and the mainstream media will find anything a Democrat does acceptable?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The reason why only FOX is covering it from the outrage angle is because they clearly have a partisan agenda.

The reason other mainstream media is not, is because they are not being biased about this, they are not "covering it up" that again would be a conspiracy theory.

So much CT is bleeding over onte the political forums, all because a few Republicans are jumping on it, but that does not make it mainstream, it is still CT.

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So the people and the mainstream media will find anything a Democrat does acceptable?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The reason why only FOX is covering it from the outrage angle is because they clearly have a partisan agenda.

The reason other mainstream media is not, is because they are not being biased about this, they are not "covering it up" that again would be a conspiracy theory.

So much CT is bleeding over onte the political forums, all because a few Republicans are jumping on it, but that does not make it mainstream, it is still CT.

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BS. If this was a republican administration you'd be tearing into them like a rabid dog and a BIG BS on your above classified info theory. I have never read such rubbish in my life. You were lied to and you don't care because democrats are doing it to you. That says more about you than the ones doing the lying.

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They did not lie.

Obama and Rice could not reveal classified information to the public.

They had to give the information the CIA released as declassified, very bland and brief.

The CIA was trying to hunt these guys down, to instantly say we know who did it, would have hurt their investigation.

Obama called it a terrorist attack two days later. That is when he was allowed to say it.

The WH and SD did not lie to me. Don't forget those FOX guys are also blaming the CIA.

FOX news is lying to others.

FOX news is the only source of complaints from the media.

Most of America is not buying it.

They never stopped reinforcements.

One plane that Hicks claims was stopped was already said to be evacuating others.

The bottom line is this: if the belly-aching from the right was based on saving lives, from not letting it happen again, they would focus on policy.

If all their efforts were on policy we would have a better policy in place faster, that would save lives, a policy which would continue past this administration.

Wasting time on people who won't be in office or appointed in a few years is a waste of energy. Their conspriacy theories are based on emotional tirades and not critical thinking.

Susan Rice came out on national TV and said this was all due to retalliation over the video and not a terrorist attack. If they couldn't release any more info without jeopardizing the investigation, Why do it at all??? Save your breath until the investigation is over. Why come out on the Sunday morning shows and spew that crap at all if you don't have all your ducks in a row?

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Susan Rice said that is what they believed but that it was a developing story, or words to that effect. Bring out the video if you want to review it.

The point is not to convince those engrained in conspiracy theores but to help those understand who do not believe in them, how those conspiracy theories are false, and how our government is not deliberately lying to us.

"Yeah, they deliberately let our people die, they had it our for them, and for us, and they want to keep their jobs, they are evil and selfish."

It does not make sense to sensible minds.

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BS. If this was a republican administration you'd be tearing into them like a rabid dog and a BIG BS on your above classified info theory. I have never read such rubbish in my life. You were lied to and you don't care because democrats are doing it to you. That says more about you than the ones doing the lying.

Point prove again, if this was about a Repub admin then some believe we would be all over it, they are self-admitting their true reason for being all over this, it is a Dem admin.

So they validate their angle by claiming who they are attacking would do the same.

This is like a little kid getting caught and saying well everyone else is doing it to.

This is not about that, it is about Benghazi, and how to develop better policy. That is what the agencies in charge of intelligence will be looking at.

That is not what conspiracy theorists are looking at. Obama and Rice will not even be in power in a few years. The focus is wasted.

But luckily this will blow over, the legislators will find a new way to obstruct, and the conspiracy theorists will harp about it for years.

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I'm gonna post this intro scene from the movie "The Rock". One of the most powerful scenes from a movie I've ever seen. Not to mention that this type of thing has happened in the past and continues to keep happening no matter what party is in office.

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

They're not coming for us, are they sir?" That phrase is burnt in my mind... Saddest thing I ever heard in a movie...

http://m.youtube.com...?&desktop_uri=/

Best speech ever!!

http://m.youtube.com...?&desktop_uri=/

"No benefits were paid to their families, no medals conferred....this situation is unacceptable..."

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Cover ups = conspiracy theory.

That is a different forum.

This is about the hypocritical crowing from the Republicans.

They just make themselves too obvious, their goals are implicit whenever they speak about Benghazi, their main focus is clearly in the language they use, always about defaming or wanting to see someone they do not like lose their job.

They spend all their energy on who did wrong, specific persons, but none on wanting to actually learn better strategy, fix the errors, and be better prepared next time which is policy- and not people-focused.

The cover up being discussed points to that, you said it as well, it is about the cover up, and that implies somoene is doing the cover up, someone here is doing wrong, someone, someone, that is their main focus.

They make it so obvious, people are not foolish, except those who are going along with that party line.

The rest of the media and the country is like meh.

And all of that is fine and will be done, but one also cannot ignore the actual event and the blunders, mistakes, and the trying to hide that for whatever reason that took place in the lead up to the attack.

Someone has to ask those questions and if it's not the media or the entire Congress, then it has to be the Republicans. Mistakes were made by those in charge and those people attempted to hide those mistakes from the US public. And what's completely sickening is that some wanted it to go away simply because there was election in 2 months and now those same people want it to go away because it could possibly significantly hurt the chances of the presumptive Democrat nominee in 2016.

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Dang it! I was trying to post the vids from my Kindle and it's not working. Ahhh!!

Okay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z176N5lh7w

Very powerful scene. Just breaks my heart....

Another great scene...* Warning! Might be a few curse words*

"no benefits were paid to their families...no medals conferred...these men died for their country and they weren't even given a *expletive* military funeral. The situation is UNACCEPTABLE."

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And all of that is fine and will be done, but one also cannot ignore the actual event and the blunders, mistakes, and the trying to hide that for whatever reason that took place in the lead up to the attack.

Someone has to ask those questions and if it's not the media or the entire Congress, then it has to be the Republicans. Mistakes were made by those in charge and those people attempted to hide those mistakes from the US public. And what's completely sickening is that some wanted it to go away simply because there was election in 2 months and now those same people want it to go away because it could possibly significantly hurt the chances of the presumptive Democrat nominee in 2016.

No, it has to be the intelligence community, and the various agencies involved, including Senate and House committees, all to strengthen our policy, and that is already being done. A Senate report was completed at the end of December 2012. There are other reports. They are done for the best interest of our nation. They are listing failures and gaps in the intelligence and security.

What they are not doing is politicizing it or turning it into a witch hunt. That serves no purpose for all stated in the above paragraph.

"It has to be the Republicans to investigate" is a partisan line. Politicians who are merely elected and have no specialized experience in the appropriate subcommittees will not know the best course of action to better prepare for next time, those who are making this a partisan game of dodge ball actually think others are dodging from them.

The idea that some "want it to go away" is based on the Republicans wanting to turn this into a game of smear King Lear, but no one else is playing, no one else is dodging, no one is making counter attacks on the Republicans, those they are attacking are not trying playing CYA or dodging or covering up, they are carrying on with their official duties.

Unsure why the Repubs believe this is what they were elected for, so much else is wrong with the country, they won't focus on that. They cannot ever get together themselves as a party, the Republicans are more fractured than the Democrats, they have different factions to a higher degree, yet they unite for this.

Rafterman, nice chatting, thank you for staying purely on topic with no personal attacks. So glad there are conservatives/libertarians who can do this. Nice to hear your point of view on these affairs. We are just discussing them. Cheers mate.

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Point prove again, if this was about a Repub admin then some believe we would be all over it, they are self-admitting their true reason for being all over this, it is a Dem admin.

So they validate their angle by claiming who they are attacking would do the same.

This is like a little kid getting caught and saying well everyone else is doing it to.

This is not about that, it is about Benghazi, and how to develop better policy. That is what the agencies in charge of intelligence will be looking at.

That is not what conspiracy theorists are looking at. Obama and Rice will not even be in power in a few years. The focus is wasted.

But luckily this will blow over, the legislators will find a new way to obstruct, and the conspiracy theorists will harp about it for years.

Sorry but it doesn't work that way and no, we attack our own far to often. This transcends politics, however, this is an abuse of power that far outweighs Watergate plus there was a loss of life an no American should say WEo cares, it over and done with. What an assinine response. Be a slave to the party Britney and wellcome to true tyranny.

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Hmm.. Very good points LBA.

Politics is an ugly, and often forgetful, business.

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General Hummel: This isn't about terrorism, it's about justice. It's about reminding you people of something you find politically convenient to forget.

General Hummel: Remember Operation Desert Storm? Those surgical hits made by our smart bombs that were covered so well on CNN? It was my men on the ground that made those hits possible by lazing the targets. Twenty of those men were left to rot outside Baghdad after the conflict ended. No benefits were payed to their families. No medals conferred. These men died for their country and they weren't even given a god**** military burial. This situation is unacceptable.

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General Hummel is a character played by Ed Harris in the movie The Rock.

Not posting this to question why someone would be posting lines from a movie script on a thread dealing with a serious matter.

Instead for anyone else confused by who General Hummel is, it is a fictional character, a role.

Remember people, the Dark Minds guide to conspiracy theories printed in Psychology Today states those who see random items and put them together rate higher on the scale for those susceptible to believe in conspiracy theories.

This is a very odd and random connection.

If interested visit that article and take the test to see how susceptible you are to believing conspiracy theories.

I rated moderate but the higher end. So I am careful not to believe CT that would cause me fear, anxiety, or unwanted emotions since I crave balance. I don't want anything to exacerbate the already natural anxiety I have. Calmness and being rational is key. One who is emotional especially with fear cannot thinking rationally, the mammilian mind takea over, cutting off the prefrontal cortex from working effict, that is the last part to evolve in humans, not mature until age 25 or so, and declines with older age. Our mind was also meant to connect dots, it was all we had when in the jungle, but now we can afford to be rational. If we realize we are falling we can catch ourselves.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/articles/200909/field-guide-the-conspiracy-theorist-dark-minds

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