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Eating more insects could help fight world hunger, according to a new UN report.

The report by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization says that eating insects could help boost nutrition and reduce pollution.

It notes than over 2 billion people worldwide already supplement their diet with insects.

However it admits that "consumer disgust" remains a large barrier in many Western countries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk.../world-22508439

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.... reduce pollution???

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.... reduce pollution???

It tells you in the link -

The ammonia emissions associated with insect-rearing are far lower than those linked to conventional livestock such as pigs, says the report.

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It tells you in the link -

The ammonia emissions associated with insect-rearing are far lower than those linked to conventional livestock such as pigs, says the report.

Or don't eat meat full stop. LOL

I'm sure vegetables, nuts and fruit don't disgust people as much as insects.

http://michaelblueja...nvironment.html

Farming meat is really bad for the environment etc. Especially on the scale we do in the western world. It also leads to inhumane treatment of animals. The Meat industrial complex doesn't care about the treatment of the animals, they care about figures. Another reason they have been proven to lie and show false evidence of how you need meat in your diet etc.

If people want to eat meat that is their choice I won't tell people what to eat, people are free to choose what they eat. But nobody can say you need it to be healthy cause that has been proven false by thousands of people.

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Don't think I could stand eating a insect. If I'm in a restaurant and there's a roach in my food I'm sending it back.

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Or don't eat meat full stop. LOL

I'm sure vegetables, nuts and fruit don't disgust people as much as insects.

http://michaelblueja...nvironment.html

Farming meat is really bad for the environment etc. Especially on the scale we do in the western world. It also leads to inhumane treatment of animals. The Meat industrial complex doesn't care about the treatment of the animals, they care about figures. Another reason they have been proven to lie and show false evidence of how you need meat in your diet etc.

If people want to eat meat that is their choice I won't tell people what to eat, people are free to choose what they eat. But nobody can say you need it to be healthy cause that has been proven false by thousands of people.

Well said. The human digestive system is more like a herbivore than carnivore. I've been a vegetarian for around 8 years and I couldn't be any healthier. I thought it was common knowledge that vegetarians are almost always healthier than meat eaters but still people bang down the doors of McDonalds every day for some slaughtered chicken. Likewise, I don't have a "problem" with meat eaters but I think if half people knew how that meat came to their table, they'd go veggie overnight. And those that do know the methods are either selfish or adopt the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. I wonder how many people would kill the animals themselves.

Don't think I could stand eating a insect. If I'm in a restaurant and there's a roach in my food I'm sending it back.

Assuming you're not a vegetarian...difference between an insect and a chicken? Both living things.

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I recall reading somewhere that the average person will eat/swallow about 300 insects a year. 'Hmm yummy' :tu:

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Well said. The human digestive system is more like a herbivore than carnivore. I've been a vegetarian for around 8 years and I couldn't be any healthier. I thought it was common knowledge that vegetarians are almost always healthier than meat eaters but still people bang down the doors of McDonalds every day for some slaughtered chicken. Likewise, I don't have a "problem" with meat eaters but I think if half people knew how that meat came to their table, they'd go veggie overnight. And those that do know the methods are either selfish or adopt the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. I wonder how many people would kill the animals themselves.

Completely agree. I kept going veggie then back again for about 6 years, then I watched "Earthlings" about 2 years ago and just went full vegetarian.

The animal killing thing is something I would only do ever for survival reasons and that's if I exhausted other options first. That is the reason we are able to eat meat, it was a survival thing and we certainly do not need to eat meat to survive now.

All those reasons you stated are why I don't eat meat. The whole industrial mass slaughter process reminds me of some disturbing death ritual. Completely unnessacary.

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I recall reading somewhere that the average person will eat/swallow about 300 insects a year. 'Hmm yummy' :tu:

Completely false. Your breath would be enough to scare off any insect that came close to your mouth. Quite a powerful blast to a little insect.

Completely agree. I kept going veggie then back again for about 6 years, then I watched "Earthlings" about 2 years ago and just went full vegetarian.

The animal killing thing is something I would only do ever for survival reasons and that's if I exhausted other options first. That is the reason we are able to eat meat, it was a survival thing and we certainly do not need to eat meat to survive now.

All those reasons you stated are why I don't eat meat. The whole industrial mass slaughter process reminds me of some disturbing death ritual. Completely unnessacary.

I agree that it could be justified for survival if absolutely necessary. After all, that's what wild meat eaters do. They don't kill for the sake of it, they kill because they have nothing else that their digestive system will process but meat. Funny how some people talk like we're above animals when they're much more humane than we are at killing.

I think if aliens ever came across our planet, they'd be disgusted. The very thought of farming animals whose sole purpose of being alive (in appalling conditions for most) is to feed a selfish, ever more obese population of another animal sickens me. The problem is people think chickens, cows etc are somehow inferior to even domesticated animals like cats or dogs. We hear about Chinese eating dogs and we lecture. But it's okay to slaughter the chickens, cows, pigs and everything else we can get our hands on.

Can you say hypocrisy?

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Completely false. Your breath would be enough to scare off any insect that came close to your mouth. Quite a powerful blast to a little insect.

Yeah that's true, I remember reading about that when I researched about the spider eating thing in our sleep.

I agree that it could be justified for survival if absolutely necessary. After all, that's what wild meat eaters do. They don't kill for the sake of it, they kill because they have nothing else that their digestive system will process but meat. Funny how some people talk like we're above animals when they're much more humane than we are at killing.

Completely agree. As higher beings we have a huge responsibility over the planet, it is a gift. Right now the majority of humanity is abusing this gift instead of using it.

I think if aliens ever came across our planet, they'd be disgusted. The very thought of farming animals whose sole purpose of being alive (in appalling conditions for most) is to feed a selfish, ever more obese population of another animal sickens me. The problem is people think chickens, cows etc are somehow inferior to even domesticated animals like cats or dogs. We hear about Chinese eating dogs and we lecture. But it's okay to slaughter the chickens, cows, pigs and everything else we can get our hands on.

Can you say hypocrisy?

I know right. lol The funny thing is if aliens more intelligent than us came here and done it to us using the same excuses we do. We would think they are evil monsters. lol That always makes me laugh. You should always look at it from different perspectives like that to realise how wrong it is.

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Yeah that's true, I remember reading about that when I researched about the spider eating thing in our sleep.

Completely agree. As higher beings we have a huge responsibility over the planet, it is a gift. Right now the majority of humanity is abusing this gift instead of using it.

I know right. lol The funny thing is if aliens more intelligent than us came here and done it to us using the same excuses we do. We would think they are evil monsters. lol That always makes me laugh. You should always look at it from different perspectives like that to realise how wrong it is.

:tu: @ all, especially your last paragraph. It's only when you actually take a step back and look at what's happening that you realise that it's not right.

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Well said. The human digestive system is more like a herbivore than carnivore. I've been a vegetarian for around 8 years and I couldn't be any healthier. I thought it was common knowledge that vegetarians are almost always healthier than meat eaters but still people bang down the doors of McDonalds every day for some slaughtered chicken. Likewise, I don't have a "problem" with meat eaters but I think if half people knew how that meat came to their table, they'd go veggie overnight. And those that do know the methods are either selfish or adopt the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. I wonder how many people would kill the animals themselves.

Assuming you're not a vegetarian...difference between an insect and a chicken? Both living things.

Actually we are omnivores: we can eat vegetables and meat, and that's why we look how we look..

If we were true herbivores, we'd have bellies like a gorilla or a horse.

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You're a vegetarian, but not from birth.

difference between an insect and a chicken? Both living things.

Btw, you're a vegetarian, do you also eat wood? It's also living tissue and from a plant...

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Completely false. Your breath would be enough to scare off any insect that came close to your mouth. Quite a powerful blast to a little insect.

Not all insects fly. You eat their larvae which are always present in/on vegetables which are not sprayed with some chemical.

And then there are slugs that are present on the green leaves of vegetables.

You will probably not believe how many larvae and slugs you have eaten (cooked or raw) during your life

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Actually we are omnivores: we can eat vegetables and meat, and that's why we look how we look..

If we were true herbivores, we'd have bellies like a gorilla or a horse.

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You're a vegetarian, but not from birth.

difference between an insect and a chicken? Both living things.

Btw, you're a vegetarian, do you also eat wood? It's also living tissue and from a plant...

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We are more herbivore than carnivore which was his point. We capable of eating meat for survival, we don't need it to live. Where as we need fruit or vegetables to live. That is how we are designed.

Plants and trees etc are not living in the sense he means. They don't have a brain that thinks or feels like mammals, insects and fish etc.

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We are more herbivore than carnivore which was his point. We capable of eating meat for survival, we don't need it to live. Where as we need fruit or vegetables to live. That is how we are designed.

Plants and trees etc are not living in the sense he means. They don't have a brain that thinks or feels like mammals, insects and fish etc.

Herbivore ------ omnivore ------ carnivore. So yes, we are more herbivore than carnivore: we are omnivores.

Herbivores do not need to cook their food first, but we humans have done that for many tens of thousands of years. Proof of that is the reduced size of our teeth and jaws.

You can live on mainly animal flesh, but that means you have to eat the organs too, not just the meat. Organs like for instance the liver and kidneys contain all the vitamins and nutrients we need, and that's how the Inuit have lived and survived for thousands of years.

Plants and trees are living beings, they sense, and they can do a lot more (see other thread in the Natural forum here). That they don't have a nervous system doesn't automatically mean that we can tell how they "experience" life; we have not the slightest clue.

Btw, here's a video of a deer turning carnivore (I have seen cows do the same):

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Herbivore ------ omnivore ------ carnivore. So yes, we are more herbivore than carnivore: we are omnivores.

Herbivores do not need to cook their food first, but we humans have done that for many tens of thousands of years. Proof of that is the reduced size of our teeth and jaws.

You can live on mainly animal flesh, but that means you have to eat the organs too, not just the meat. Organs like for instance the liver and kidneys contain all the vitamins and nutrients we need, and that's how the Inuit have lived and survived for thousands of years.

Plants and trees are living beings, they sense, and they can do a lot more (see other thread in the Natural forum here). That they don't have a nervous system doesn't automatically mean that we can tell how they "experience" life; we have not the slightest clue.

Btw, here's a video of a deer turning carnivore (I have seen cows do the same):

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There deer is doing that purely for survival.

Which adds to my point.

We don't need meat, we are only capable of it for survival reasons. Gorging on meat like we do is not survival.

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There deer is doing that purely for survival.

Which adds to my point.

We don't need meat, we are only capable of it for survival reasons. Gorging on meat like we do is not survival.

The deer is doing that for survival? Why? Is there not enough grass in front of its nose?

But we are NOT built to be herbivores: if we were we would not look like we do now.

You need animal proteins. That you 'survived' without it doesn't mean you can really do without it.

Another thing: you ate meat when you were younger, right?

You may not do now anymore, but you didn't start as a vegetarian or vegan, and that's the difference: you have built up reserves.

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The deer is doing that for survival? Why? Is there not enough grass in front of its nose?

But we are NOT built to be herbivores: if we were we would not look like we do now.

You need animal proteins. That you 'survived' without it doesn't mean you can really do without it.

Another thing: you ate meat when you were younger, right?

You may not do now anymore, but you didn't start as a vegetarian or vegan, and that's the difference: you have built up reserves.

Animals know when their bodies need certain things. Like when carnivores eat grass for digestion. Only when you are a really healthy human can you listen to your body in the same way.

I never said we are fully herbivore, but we are omnivore for survival reasons. We would have completely lost the carnivore side if we just stopped eating meat, but we haven't and not for survival, people eat meat because they like it . (any other reason is an excuse)

That's is just plain wrong. Every protein you find in animals there is a far better version of it in nuts and algae etc. Spirulina for example is much higher and more efficient than meat for protein etc. When people talk protein and vitamins etc that come from meat they are going by data from the meat industry. (Or those paid by it) The fact is the evidence is there proving this wrong. Spirulina can actually solve hunger/starvation in the third world.

Yes I did but I know people who didn't and they are far healthier than me.

After becoming Vegetarian I have become stronger, my blood pressure is healthier, my weight is healthier, my heart is healthier and well my stamina is way better. My friend who was raised Vegetarian is the healthiest person I know.

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You need animal proteins. That you 'survived' without it doesn't mean you can really do without it.

"Frederick Carlton "Carl" Lewis(born July 1, 1961) is an American former track and field athlete and United Nations Goodwill Ambassador, who won 10 Olympic medals including 9 gold, and 10 World Championships medals, including 8 gold."

"Lewis is vegan. Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990, aged thirty."

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But was Lewis a vegan throughout his life?

And if I am not mistaken, he did more than live as a vegan to win medals...

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Animals know when their bodies need certain things. Like when carnivores eat grass for digestion. Only when you are a really healthy human can you listen to your body in the same way.

I never said we are fully herbivore, but we are omnivore for survival reasons. We would have completely lost the carnivore side if we just stopped eating meat, but we haven't and not for survival, people eat meat because they like it . (any other reason is an excuse)

That's is just plain wrong. Every protein you find in animals there is a far better version of it in nuts and algae etc. Spirulina for example is much higher and more efficient than meat for protein etc. When people talk protein and vitamins etc that come from meat they are going by data from the meat industry. (Or those paid by it) The fact is the evidence is there proving this wrong. Spirulina can actually solve hunger/starvation in the third world.

Yes I did but I know people who didn't and they are far healthier than me.

After becoming Vegetarian I have become stronger, my blood pressure is healthier, my weight is healthier, my heart is healthier and well my stamina is way better. My friend who was raised Vegetarian is the healthiest person I know.

Let me first say that I do not eat a lot of meat, and not even out of principle. In fact, lately I eat a lot of those vegetarian hamburgers and other vegetarian 'meat' because here in a shop it was very cheap, and... it tasted good.

Then I read this:

http://wellnessmama....is-soy-healthy/

http://www.realfoodu.../ditch-the-soy/

I thought "gddmn!"

And I eat mostly eggs, cheese, fish products and chicken. But if I had the money, I'd buy a big fat steak every day, lol.

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Even if a total vegan or vegetarian (= plus eggs and milk products) diet is healthy, I wonder what it will do to our future evolution:

"I disagree with those who say meat may have been only a marginal food for early humans," said Milton. "I have come to believe that the incorporation of animal matter into the diet played an absolutely essential role in human evolution."

Milton's paper also demonstrates that the human digestive system is fundamentally that of a plant-eating primate, except that humans have developed a more elongated small intestine rather than retaining the huge colon of apes - a change in the human lineage which indicates a diet of more concentrated nutrients.

http://www.berkeley....6-14-1999a.html

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But was Lewis a vegan throughout his life?

And if I am not mistaken, he did more than live as a vegan to win medals...

It is possible to live a healthy vegetarian diet from birth - many do and this is evidence enough that it is possible and that there is no need to consume meat to be healthy.

The primary difference between ourselves and the great apes is our ability to cook which allows us to extract far more nutrients from the same volume of vegetable matter than a guorilla say. There is however a good argument that our advanced brains are a direct consequence of of omniverous diet due to its higher content of protein and fats which are vital for a large brain development.

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We are more herbivore than carnivore which was his point. We capable of eating meat for survival, we don't need it to live. Where as we need fruit or vegetables to live. That is how we are designed.

Plants and trees etc are not living in the sense he means. They don't have a brain that thinks or feels like mammals, insects and fish etc.

Don't underestimate the life in plants. They communicate with eachother, react to being hurt and respond to their environment just like any other life form and on a cellular level they are just as alive and actually more complicated then we are.

Scientists have also learnt in recent years that lower life forms such as insects and even fish, lack the full nervous system we have, They don't "feel" like we do, including pain, and it may be possible they are just creatures of pure instinctual programming.

We need to consume life in order to live ourselves. It's just the way nature works. That said it I do believe we need to show more respect to the animals we eat and society as a whole should shift to a more plant based diet as it is far more sustainable and better for the environment and therefore everyone.

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Actually we are omnivores: we can eat vegetables and meat, and that's why we look how we look..

If we were true herbivores, we'd have bellies like a gorilla or a horse.

=

You're a vegetarian, but not from birth.

difference between an insect and a chicken? Both living things.

Btw, you're a vegetarian, do you also eat wood? It's also living tissue and from a plant...

.

Actually wood is dead tissue, but i doubt anyone here consumes wood haha :cry:

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Let me first say that I do not eat a lot of meat, and not even out of principle. In fact, lately I eat a lot of those vegetarian hamburgers and other vegetarian 'meat' because here in a shop it was very cheap, and... it tasted good.

Then I read this:

http://wellnessmama....is-soy-healthy/

http://www.realfoodu.../ditch-the-soy/

I thought "gddmn!"

And I eat mostly eggs, cheese, fish products and chicken. But if I had the money, I'd buy a big fat steak every day, lol.

=

Even if a total vegan or vegetarian (= plus eggs and milk products) diet is healthy, I wonder what it will do to our future evolution:

"I disagree with those who say meat may have been only a marginal food for early humans," said Milton. "I have come to believe that the incorporation of animal matter into the diet played an absolutely essential role in human evolution."

Milton's paper also demonstrates that the human digestive system is fundamentally that of a plant-eating primate, except that humans have developed a more elongated small intestine rather than retaining the huge colon of apes - a change in the human lineage which indicates a diet of more concentrated nutrients.

http://www.berkeley....6-14-1999a.html

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First off with the soy thing, most people know that. It's why soy is used in moderation. I avoid Soy milk for that reason. I other milks. Especially nut based milks. (Which are far nicer anyway)

As for using a paper from UC Berkeley a university funded by the likes of Dow Chemical Company (these guys are similar to Monsanto btw) and BP. I really wouldn't take it seriously. They are all friends with the big corporate meat suppliers.

As for it aiding in our evolution, of course it did. Our species would never have survived those harsh winters or baron lands without meat. As I stated it was survival. Unlike now when we can get all the nutrients and protein we need elsewhere there is no need to kill animals for it. This is a proven fact by living and breathing people. Also it's laughable that people say they need meat to be healthy while eating loads of chemicals that give them cancer and pretty much poison them. The only true way to be 100% healthy food wise is to be a raw vegan who only eats organic food.

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