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obama no longer blames bush

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Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble. Now they claim to not know anything about it.

During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up. After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day. Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj. The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion. The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

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Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble. Now they claim to not know anything about it.

During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up. After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day. Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj. The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion. The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

It's called "Plausible deniability"

Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA during the Kennedy administration to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge.

The term most often refers to the denial of blame in (formal or informal) chains of command, where senior figures assign responsibility to the lower ranks, and records of instructions given do not exist or are inaccessible, meaning independent confirmation of responsibility for the action is nearly impossible. In the case that illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such act or any connection to the agents used to carry out such acts. The lack of evidence to the contrary ostensibly makes the denial plausible, that is, credible. The term typically implies forethought, such as intentionally setting up the conditions to plausibly avoid responsibility for one's (future) actions or knowledge.

In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or intelligence agency to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party ostensibly unconnected with the major player. In political campaigns, plausible deniability enables candidates to stay "clean" and denounce third-party advertisements that use unethical approaches or potentially libellous innuendo.

More generally, "plausible deniability" can also apply to any act that leaves little or no evidence of wrongdoing or abuse. Examples of this are the use of electric shock, waterboarding or pain-compliance holds as a means of torture or punishment, leaving few or no tangible signs that the abuse ever took place.

Plausible deniability is also a legal concept. It refers to lack of evidence proving an allegation. Standards of proof vary in civil and criminal cases. In civil cases, the standard of proof is "preponderance of the evidence" whereas in a criminal matter, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt." If an opponent lacks incontrovertible proof (evidence) of their allegation, one can "plausibly deny" the allegation even though it may be true.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

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That true they purposely keep things from them so they can have plausible deniability. At the same time I can't imagine keeping up with everything all the departments of government are doing.

EDIT: Or have the time to make a personal decision on everything they do.

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Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble. Now they claim to not know anything about it.

During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up. After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day. Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj. The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion. The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

Kinda like Bush, eh? "Heck, we had no idea that somebody was planning to fly airplanes into buildings."

Obama jes like him. :innocent:

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People need to stop thinking of the PotUS as the most important person in an administration. The vote for President is one of the least important votes you cast on election day in terms of running the country. He is a talking hood ornament. Bush Jr was an incredibly high profile example of that, but still most haven't learned the lesson. The broken engine under that hood is made of all the other politicians who are compromised by big business in one way or another. Face the fact that the car is broken down no matter what hood ornament is installed, and that will be the first step toward getting that car running well again.

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Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble.

that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".

During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up.

what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

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that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".

what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

Oh I don't take charge. That is his job. To give orders to the military. Although I think he did. He gave the order t stand down because he didn't want a terrist attack to derail his reelection. Four heros died so he could keep his job. Which he isn't doing anyways.

Others are correct he coudn't keep up with every department in the government. But, the people he put in charge of their departments should know what is going on in that department.

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that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".

what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

7 hour siege on an american embassy with teams only an hour away is unacceptable... Just saying.

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Mr Obama,

If you cant possibly know everything that is going on in your administration or anything that is going on. Just step down, we will have someone who doesn't mind doing their job, replace you. You have failed horribly... Living in a economy where simple mistakes cost good employees their jobs. People lining up to take your position. Their is no excuse for not knowing or doing your job!

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The captain of a ship is responsible for everything that goes on onboard his ship. Doesn't matter if he knows what is going on or not. Obama wanted to be captian of the country, that makes him responsible for everything going on in government.

As for the oil spill in the gulf. The republicans wanted obama to work on stopping the oil spill first and then call the lawers. But, he called in the lawers first because all he saw was dallor signs.

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. Although I think he did. He gave the order t stand down because he didn't want a terrist attack to derail his reelection.

complete and utter hogwash

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The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

actually in this case the military and more importantly the marines are a 911 service. when the ambassador says he needs help we need to have "Boots on the ground".

that was a foreign force attacking Americans on American soil.

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or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

or like when the democrats wanted Bush to put on his cape and save New Orleans from Katrina..

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what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

What did we want him to do about it? How about his job, rather than worrying about getting to a campaign event on time?

What "millions in government service had it covered"?

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actually in this case the military and more importantly the marines are a 911 service. when the ambassador says he needs help we need to have "Boots on the ground".

You can wish for this but the military says they are not a 911 service. I didn't make it up. You can have your Republican congressmen vote to allocate more funds for embassy security rather than cutting them.

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or like when the democrats wanted Bush to put on his cape and save New Orleans from Katrina..

I guess that depends on who you believe. Blanco continued out her term. Brown (Bush administration) resigned in disgrace.

In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During that hearing, Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why President Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[19] (In fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, whereas the coastal counties were included in the declarations for Mississippi[20] and Alabama.[21]) Brown testified that this was because Louisiana Governor Blanco had not included those parishes in her initial request for aid, a decision that he found "shocking." After the hearing, Blanco released a copy of her letter, which showed she had requested assistance for "all the southeastern parishes including the City of New Orleans" as well specifically naming 14 parishes including Jefferson, Orleans and Plaquemines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

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What did we want him to do about it? How about his job, rather than worrying about getting to a campaign event on time?

What "millions in government service had it covered"?

He was doing his job. The State Department. The military is not a 911 service. They are not "on call" for embassy's being attacked. No armed predators were in the area. No aircraft could respond in time. No additional forces could have made any difference in time. Your Republican congress critters could have beefed up embassy security instead of cutting it.

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complete and utter hogwash

It was him or hillary, you choose.

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He was doing his job. The State Department. The military is not a 911 service. They are not "on call" for embassy's being attacked. No armed predators were in the area. No aircraft could respond in time. No additional forces could have made any difference in time. Your Republican congress critters could have beefed up embassy security instead of cutting it.

Is that why troops on a plane ready to deploy, were ordered off the plane to change their cloths. Besides the three ex military whoi were also killed almost made a difference. Besides, we don't know if those troops would or would not have made a difference since they were not deployed. But, keep repeating obama.

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Double post.

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Is that why troops on a plane

just keep repeating debunked lies. There were no troops ready anywhere that could have made any difference. Period.

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He was doing his job. The State Department. The military is not a 911 service. They are not "on call" for embassy's being attacked. No armed predators were in the area. No aircraft could respond in time. No additional forces could have made any difference in time. Your Republican congress critters could have beefed up embassy security instead of cutting it.

just keep repeating debunked lies. There were no troops ready anywhere that could have made any difference. Period.

"Just keep repeating debunked lies?"

You ought to know:

(Oct. 12, 2012)

In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.

Source (among thousands): Link

Also:

There has been some back and forth between Republicans and Democrats over funding for security in Libya in the wake of Ambassador Chris Stevens’s death. Republicans have questioned whether the State Department had adequate security to protect the ambassador, and Democrats have countered that Republicans tried to cut funding for embassy security. What does the budget record show?

According to the fiscal year (FY) 2013 Congressional Budget Justification Department of State Operations (p. 11), overall funding for those programs has increased sharply over the past decade. Indeed, Worldwide Security Protection is more than double what it was a decade ago. Despite reductions from budget peaks in FY 2009 and FY 2010, both budget lines are higher than in FY 2008. (continues below chart)

special-libya-security-coll.jpg

Comparing FY 2011 actual funding versus the FY 2012 estimate, there appears to be a reduction in Worldwide Security Protection and Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance. But that reduction does not account for additional funding in FY 2012 from Overseas Contingency Operations funds amounting to $236 million for Worldwide Security Protection (p. 63) and $33 million for Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance (p. 467). As a result, total funds for Worldwide Security Protection for FY 2012 are estimated to be $94 million higher than in FY 2011, while Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance is estimated to be $61 million less than FY 2011. Together, there is a net increase.

Source: Heritage

So, just keep on repeating your own debunked lie.

Harte

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I guess that depends on who you believe. Blanco continued out her term. Brown (Bush administration) resigned in disgrace.

https://en.wikipedia...rricane_Katrina

That just shows that Brown has a sense of responsibility and Blanco doesn't. One failed and resigned. The other failed and continued to fail, at public expense. Not suprising you think continued failure is better. After all you are still an Obama supporter, even though he may go down as the biggest failure ever to hold the office of President.

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You can wish for this but the military says they are not a 911 service. I didn't make it up. You can have your Republican congressmen vote to allocate more funds for embassy security rather than cutting them.

So, the US Marines, who are US EMBASSY GUARDS (among many other things), are not meant to go help support an embassy that is under attack? Really?

If you aren't making that up, show me the law (or policy or what have you).

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that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".

what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

Reagon used it as a 911 service when students were kidnapped in granada. As shown in heart break hill.

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