Silver Surfer Posted May 19, 2013 #1 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Hey may have been posted but don't see anything. Anyway for anyone interested... http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8691582/Ancient-coins-could-rewrite-history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Smart Posted May 19, 2013 #2 Share Posted May 19, 2013 It is indeed a mystery. Even the contents of the link is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #3 Share Posted May 19, 2013 It is indeed a mystery. Even the contents of the link is gone. . I managed to find it sheepy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Smart Posted May 19, 2013 #4 Share Posted May 19, 2013 . I managed to find it sheepy! Do share. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted May 19, 2013 Author #5 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Hmm link works fine for me >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #6 Share Posted May 19, 2013 to be honest though, I think the claim for discovery has to go to the aborigines. after all, they'd been pottering about around australia for 60,000yrs before anyone else got there..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #7 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Do share. . ok sheepy, i'll copy & paste it for you, but I might get into trouble..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #8 Share Posted May 19, 2013 there you go sheepy! let me know when you've read it so I can delete it!! . World Ancient coins could rewrite history BARBARA BARKHAUSEN Last updated 05:00 20/05/2013 Five copper coins and a nearly 70- year-old map with an ‘‘X’’ might lead to a discovery that could rewrite Australia’s history. Australian scientist Ian McIntosh, currently Professor of Anthropology at Indiana University in the US, plans an expedition in July that has stirred up the archaeological community. The scientist wants to revisit the location where five coins were found in the Northern Territory in 1944 that have proven to be 1000 years old, opening up the possibility that seafarers from distant countries might have landed in Australia much earlier than what was currently believed. Back in 1944 during World War II, after Japanese bombers had attacked Darwin two years earlier, the Wessel Islands — an uninhabited group of islands off Australia’s north coast — had become a strategic position to help protect the mainland. Australian soldier Maurie Isenberg was stationed on one of the islands to man a radar station and spent his spare time fishing on the idyllic beaches. While sitting in the sand with his fishing-rod, he discovered a handful of coins in the sand. He didn’t have a clue where they could come from but pocketed them anyway and later placed them in a tin. In 1979 he rediscovered his ‘‘treasure’’ and decided to send the coins to a museum to get them identified. The coins proved to be 1000 years old. Still not fully realising what treasure he held in his hands, he marked an old colleague’s map with an ‘‘X’’ to remember where he had found them. The discovery was apparently forgotten again until anthropologist McIntosh got the ball rolling a few months ago. The coins raise many important questions: How did 1000-year-old coins end up on a remote beach on an island off the northern coast of Australia? Did explorers from distant lands arrive on Australian shores way before the James Cook declared it ‘‘terra nullius’’ and claimed it for the British throne in 1770? We do know already that Captain Cook wasn’t the first white seafarer to step on Australia’s shores. In 1606 a Dutch explorer named Willem Janszoon reached the Cape York peninsula in Queensland, closely followed a few years late by another Dutch seafarer Dirk Hartog. And the Spaniard Luiz Vaez de Torres discovered the strait between Papua New Guinea and Australia, which was later named Torres Strait in his honour. However, none of these explorers recognised that they had discovered the famed southern continent, the ‘‘terra australis incognita‘‘, which was depicted as a counterweight to the known land masses of the northern hemisphere on many world maps of the day. McIntosh and his team of Australian and American historians, archaeologists, geomorphologists and Aboriginal rangers say that the five coins date back to the 900s to 1300s. They are African coins from the former Kilwa sultanate, now a World Heritage ruin on an island off Tanzania. Kilwa once was a flourishing trade port with links to India in the 13th to 16th century. The trade with gold, silver, pearls, perfumes, Arabian stoneware, Persian ceramics and Chinese porcelain made the city one of the most influential towns in East Africa at the time. The copper coins were the first coins ever produced in sub-Saharan Africa and according to McIntosh have only twice been found outside Africa; once in Oman and Isenberg’s find in 1944. The old coins might not be of monetary value, but for archaeologists they are priceless, said McIntosh. Archaeologists have long suspected that there may have been early maritime trading routes that linked East Africa, Arabia, India and the Spice Islands even 1000 years ago. Or the coins could’ve washed ashore after a shipwreck. When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690 raising memories of those early Dutch seafarers that stepped on Australian shores well before Cook. McIntosh wants to answer some of these mysteries during his planned expedition to the Wessel Islands in July. And it’s not only about revisiting the beach that was marked with an ‘‘X’’ on Isenberg’s map. He will also be looking for a secret cave Aboriginal legends talk about. This cave is supposed to be close to the beach where Isenberg once found the coins and is said to be filled with doubloons and weaponry of an ancient era. Should McIntosh and his team find what they are looking for, the find might not only be priceless treasure, but relics that could rewrite Australian history. - AAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted May 19, 2013 Author #9 Share Posted May 19, 2013 to be honest though, I think the claim for discovery has to go to the aborigines. after all, they'd been pottering about around australia for 60,000yrs before anyone else got there..... Yep for sure.. tho I'm not interested in the stuff about who can claim what... in my opinion if your born in this universe you should be able to go where ever the hell you want as long as you respect it and other people/species... (and can get there lol) i'm more interested in buried treasure and the story of whoever sailed the seas to get there ^^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted May 19, 2013 Author #10 Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) On another note... i wish i was a " Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaur" right now im just a senile sexual administrator Edited May 19, 2013 by Silver Surfer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #11 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Yep for sure.. tho I'm not interested in the stuff about who can claim what... in my opinion if your born in this universe you should be able to go where ever the hell you want as long as you respect it and other people/species... (and can get there lol) i'm more interested in buried treasure and the story of whoever sailed the seas to get there ^^ On another note... i wish i was a " Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaur" right now im just a senile sexual administrator . he he he he..... I got the quote from blain in 'predator' (the wielder of 'ol painless', the best BFG in any movie ever!!) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonFromPorlock Posted May 19, 2013 #12 Share Posted May 19, 2013 "When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690...." That right there would seem to blow away any chance that the copper coins were left there 1000 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #13 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I think the aborigines did a stand-up job of finding oz though. the nearest they could've got is java, and australia's 60m over the horizon, so they can't have known it was there. it'd take a breeding population of at least 20 to get the ball rolling, so that discounts the odd fisherman clinging to a log in a storm & being blown there. then there's the matter of being in a strange land with unknown plants/foodstuffs, and not to mention the fact that EVERYTHING in oz will kill you in the most painful way imaginable! all in all, not too bad at all!! :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #14 Share Posted May 19, 2013 "When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690...." That right there would seem to blow away any chance that the copper coins were left there 1000 years ago. . it doesn't really say the coins were left there 1000yrs ago, just that they're around 1000yrs old, but even the coin from the east india co. is from almost 100yrs before cook got there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 19, 2013 #15 Share Posted May 19, 2013 1000 years ago .... that would fit in with the Ancient China mariners nicely .... link . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 19, 2013 #16 Share Posted May 19, 2013 1000 years ago .... that would fit in with the Ancient China mariners nicely .... . . it says in the article that they suspected trade routs around there from 1000yrs ago, so you may have something there third eye! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonwind Posted May 20, 2013 #17 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Have to also prove the coins were actually found at the beach in australia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 20, 2013 #18 Share Posted May 20, 2013 1000 years ago .... that would fit in with the Ancient China mariners nicely .... link . Isn't that map centuries younger than those African coins from the Kilwa Sultanate (1000 CE)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 20, 2013 #19 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Isn't that map centuries younger than those African coins from the Kilwa Sultanate (1000 CE)? Its the same one but with updated research information we examined about a year ago or so Abe ... the map is younger ... but the map pertains to information centuries older .. or so they suspect or it is believed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 20, 2013 #20 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) . it doesn't really say the coins were left there 1000yrs ago, just that they're around 1000yrs old, but even the coin from the east india co. is from almost 100yrs before cook got there! ... then there's the matter of being in a strange land with unknown plants/foodstuffs, and not to mention the fact that EVERYTHING in oz will kill you in the most painful way imaginable! This is true, try living in Far Nth Queensland, my life is in my hands every time I step out the door... Probably why the Dutch took back off real quick. No thanks, we only deal with, what? The sea? Let's go take some more of that on....and off they went. Rats Nest, I mean Rottnest island didn't do it for them. This island is dangerous to touch at It also says this place in East Africa they came from only flourished as a trading area to India from the 13th century. So I doubt they are 1000 years old. Edited May 20, 2013 by The Puzzler 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 20, 2013 #21 Share Posted May 20, 2013 LOVING the map puzzler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 20, 2013 #22 Share Posted May 20, 2013 LOVING the map puzzler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted May 20, 2013 #23 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Intriguing article, definitely room to pick a few holes it though... The best part for me was 'X' marks the spot, classic stuff indeed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted May 20, 2013 #24 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The best part for me was 'X' marks the spot, classic stuff indeed. . you gotta love those ol' pirate movies jchubb! :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 20, 2013 #25 Share Posted May 20, 2013 pirates ? this time they've gone too far ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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