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The Paranormal is it Fake?

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I'll stick with "show me" and avoid the kool-aid.

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I'll stick with "show me" and avoid the kool-aid.

How do you know if it is kool aid or poison ?

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Hiw this coincidences be the product of randomness?

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Bible code is set of hidden messages in Torah. Michael Drosnin book The Bible Code spoke about prophecies in Torah.

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Scientists argued how 6th sense is prooven or how to built time machine...yet sceptics here are omniscience.

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Hiw this coincidences be the product of randomness?

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Bible code is set of hidden messages in Torah. Michael Drosnin book The Bible Code spoke about prophecies in Torah.

Big Bad Voodoo

Sorry to bust your bubble but the 'bible code' has been debunked many times. It IS randomness and can be proven to be such using statistics. In fact they applied the same thing to the novel Moby Dick and were able to find 'hidden codes' predicting the assassination of Ghandi and MLK jr. Furthermore these 'codes' never pedict anything, they are always found after the event and then said to have 'predicting' the event. Lost of so called 'prophesy' has been the result of this- finding something after the fact of an event and then altering history to make it appear that the 'prophecy' came before the event, when in fact the 'prophecy' came after the event, and then inserted into history to make it appear as though it came before the event, and thus were the priests and prophets of old able to keep their sway and credibility in front of the illiterate masses. Over time the deception became the written history, and the order of events was lost forever. This is of course my personal opinion regarding prophecy, but I have yet to hear of a prophecy that is literal, not cryptic and open to interpretation, that has come exactly true as it was originally stated in modern times.

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I have even won a few bets on the melbourne cup from tips given by " trees". IMO this is not the tree speaking to me, but a response form the cosmic consciousness, who/which responds using the tree as an avatar.

I must really acquire a "cosmic consciousness" does it work for the lottery?

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How do you know if it is kool aid or poison ?

How do you know it is the 'cosmic consciousness' that is speaking to you, and not just a part of your own mind? Intuition can manifest itself in various different ways after all.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the 'bible code' has been debunked many times. It IS randomness and can be proven to be such using statistics. In fact they applied the same thing to the novel Moby Dick and were able to find 'hidden codes' predicting the assassination of Ghandi and MLK jr. Furthermore these 'codes' never pedict anything, they are always found after the event and then said to have 'predicting' the event. Lost of so called 'prophesy' has been the result of this- finding something after the fact of an event and then altering history to make it appear that the 'prophecy' came before the event, when in fact the 'prophecy' came after the event, and then inserted into history to make it appear as though it came before the event, and thus were the priests and prophets of old able to keep their sway and credibility in front of the illiterate masses. Over time the deception became the written history, and the order of events was lost forever. This is of course my personal opinion regarding prophecy, but I have yet to hear of a prophecy that is literal, not cryptic and open to interpretation, that has come exactly true as it was originally stated in modern times.

Thanks I see this now. Anyway you just bust one of my balloons. Im flying with dozens of them. :innocent:

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I must really acquire a "cosmic consciousness" does it work for the lottery?

fullywired :unsure2:

Absolutely. I make a small living from the lottery, and a bigger one from the pokies. For example following the advice of the cosmic consciousness. i invested a dollar change on the pokies last night and won $840 in one spin. In the last month I have made about $100 from the lottery, winning on average $25 per week ..

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How do you know it is the 'cosmic consciousness' that is speaking to you, and not just a part of your own mind? Intuition can manifest itself in various different ways after all.

Because an outside consciousness can provide abilities and evidences, knowledge etc. which cannot come from within a singular isolated mind no matter how clever and well educated. And one can use access to the cosmic consciousness to travel to places, to "meld" with other consciousnesses, and to learn many things. Evidences and proofs are essential to KNOW something, as opposed to believing it.

One of the greatest fallacies and restrictios facing humanity is the belief that we are individual/discrete beings with individual separate consciousnesses. This is demonstrably untrue as a hard and fast rule. Mind and body (from my experience)we are ALL a part of a much bigger entity and consiousness. (the other alernative is tha ti am unique or special and I have NEVER believed that. Human atributes can vary a lot (for expample i am slightly colour blind and tone deaf) but they are also held in common across humanity as part of our genetic and evolutionary makeup..

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Absolutely. I make a small living from the lottery, and a bigger one from the pokies. For example following the advice of the cosmic consciousness. i invested a dollar change on the pokies last night and won $840 in one spin. In the last month I have made about $100 from the lottery, winning on average $25 per week ..

If what you say is true (and of course I suspect either pious fraud or self-delusion), you are cheating.

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Because an outside consciousness can provide abilities and evidences, knowledge etc. which cannot come from within a singular isolated mind no matter how clever and well educated. And one can use access to the cosmic consciousness to travel to places, to "meld" with other consciousnesses, and to learn many things. Evidences and proofs are essential to KNOW something, as opposed to believing it.

One of the greatest fallacies and restrictios facing humanity is the belief that we are individual/discrete beings with individual separate consciousnesses. This is demonstrably untrue as a hard and fast rule. Mind and body (from my experience)we are ALL a part of a much bigger entity and consiousness. (the other alernative is tha ti am unique or special and I have NEVER believed that. Human atributes can vary a lot (for expample i am slightly colour blind and tone deaf) but they are also held in common across humanity as part of our genetic and evolutionary makeup..

I don't think it's really possible to "know" anything if you are intellectually honest. The most you can say is that in your opinion something is extremely likely.

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I don't think it's really possible to "know" anything if you are intellectually honest. The most you can say is that in your opinion something is extremely likely.

I am not a fan of descartes. I think humans KNOW everything they experience The rest is a choice of belief. I KNOW my wife is alive. I know we are officially married And less reliably i KNOW her birth date. I know who her father and mother were, and what their house was like room by room. How could I NOT KNOW such things.

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I think you are just too dense to understand, because your responses seem utterly

I am not a fan of descartes. I think humans KNOW everything they experience The rest is a choice of belief. I KNOW my wife is alive. I know we are officially married And less reliably i KNOW her birth date. I know who her father and mother were, and what their house was like room by room. How could I NOT KNOW such things.

That just amazes me at how dense you are. I don't think you even try to understand what others are saying to you.
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It doesn't work that way. That would be like me saying "show me proof that Unicorns don't breed with Wookies".

Nice "Image" BlueBomber"....lol

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Because an outside consciousness can provide abilities and evidences, knowledge etc. which cannot come from within a singular isolated mind no matter how clever and well educated. And one can use access to the cosmic consciousness to travel to places, to "meld" with other consciousnesses, and to learn many things. Evidences and proofs are essential to KNOW something, as opposed to believing it.

One of the greatest fallacies and restrictios facing humanity is the belief that we are individual/discrete beings with individual separate consciousnesses. This is demonstrably untrue as a hard and fast rule. Mind and body (from my experience)we are ALL a part of a much bigger entity and consiousness. (the other alernative is tha ti am unique or special and I have NEVER believed that. Human atributes can vary a lot (for expample i am slightly colour blind and tone deaf) but they are also held in common across humanity as part of our genetic and evolutionary makeup..

Are you sure you just have not been watching too much Star Trek? (Mind "meld", borg like interconnected super-consciousness) :P

You give yourself away when you say "from my experience" what you seem to not understand is that other people's experience directly and completely contradicts your own experience. And so therefore by your own logic that we can "know" things from our experience for certain, both your experiences, and their experiences, are therefore both correct. Which means that there exists simultaneously an outside consciousness that we are all a part of, and also that we are all separate discrete beings with separate and unique consciousness. That is what YOUR logic MUST conclude.

Unless you admit that some people are unable to KNOW things for certain, but then if you admit that, you also admit that there is no possible way for you to know if you are one of these people. This would therefore be your belief, that you are one who KNOWS, and that the others are ones who DO NOT KNOW. Because you see, other people have just as much 'evidence' from experience that they are separate discreet beings, as you have of being part of something bigger. Therefore either you are wrong, they are wrong, or in my opinion, you both are wrong. In which case, humans do not really KNOW all that much, and the very act of thinking you KNOW something for certain, is one of the greatest fallacies and restrictions facing humanity. To the extreme, Hitler thought he KNEW that the so called "Aryan race" was the supreme race and therefore should rule the world.

Keep an open mind. That is my philosophy :)

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Absolutely. I make a small living from the lottery, and a bigger one from the pokies. For example following the advice of the cosmic consciousness. i invested a dollar change on the pokies last night and won $840 in one spin. In the last month I have made about $100 from the lottery, winning on average $25 per week ..

Please send me your Mojo

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If what you say is true (and of course I suspect either pious fraud or self-delusion), you are cheating.

Why bother lying?

And "cheating" on the pokies or state lotto? I only wish. There are other posiblities, called pure dumb luck or coincidence, but that doesn't explain the concious external instructions i get on what numbers or machines to play, in order to win. I made a profit of $1300 on the weekend, starting with a one dollar bet, and used it to pay our water and electricity bills.

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Please send me your Mojo

fullywired :tu:

In my opinion (and it is only that) based on my own experiences, any human can do this. In the east it is known as extending ones chi or awareness. For me it is opening up my mind to the universe around me (especially but not inclusively the local environment) and then consciously applying, what I learn at a subconscious level. A rationalist might suggest possiblities, such as i subconsciously note the number of "cups" left alongside a pokie machine and realise that it has been played a lot, hence it MIGHT have a higher chance of paying out.

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Are you sure you just have not been watching too much Star Trek? (Mind "meld", borg like interconnected super-consciousness) :P

You give yourself away when you say "from my experience" what you seem to not understand is that other people's experience directly and completely contradicts your own experience. And so therefore by your own logic that we can "know" things from our experience for certain, both your experiences, and their experiences, are therefore both correct. Which means that there exists simultaneously an outside consciousness that we are all a part of, and also that we are all separate discrete beings with separate and unique consciousness. That is what YOUR logic MUST conclude.

Unless you admit that some people are unable to KNOW things for certain, but then if you admit that, you also admit that there is no possible way for you to know if you are one of these people. This would therefore be your belief, that you are one who KNOWS, and that the others are ones who DO NOT KNOW. Because you see, other people have just as much 'evidence' from experience that they are separate discreet beings, as you have of being part of something bigger. Therefore either you are wrong, they are wrong, or in my opinion, you both are wrong. In which case, humans do not really KNOW all that much, and the very act of thinking you KNOW something for certain, is one of the greatest fallacies and restrictions facing humanity. To the extreme, Hitler thought he KNEW that the so called "Aryan race" was the supreme race and therefore should rule the world.

Keep an open mind. That is my philosophy :)

One can only make logical extrapolations based on ones own evidences and experiences. Those of others can be used for comparison and evaluation but do not apply to an individual.

I use the term "mind meld" becaus e most people would recognise this term. It is a form of hive consciousness also where an individual mind cn both access the uiversal mind but also use the universal mind to link to any other conscious being in the universe. But i first met the cosmic consciousness as a young lad in the late 1950s, long befre star trek was written or thought of. My point is that,because i am totally a normal human being in mind and body, then anything i am capable of doing, so can most other humans (there may be some exceptions. For example while "normal" i cant see some colours very well or distinguish tones accurately while others can)

You are correc,t in that we have an individual mind and body BUT also are part of a greater mind and body, just as individual neurons are part of a larger human brain.

Ps where do you think writers GET ideas like the borg super consciousness or mind melding, from?

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Why bother lying?

And "cheating" on the pokies or state lotto? I only wish. There are other posiblities, called pure dumb luck or coincidence, but that doesn't explain the concious external instructions i get on what numbers or machines to play, in order to win. I made a profit of $1300 on the weekend, starting with a one dollar bet, and used it to pay our water and electricity bills.

It called pious fraud and we see a lot of it around. You make questionable personal claims to support an unbelievable assertion. It is not a very credible thing to do, and tends to get you ignored.

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I think you are just too dense to understand, because your responses seem utterly

That just amazes me at how dense you are. I don't think you even try to understand what others are saying to you.

Descartes claimed we could only KNOW that we existed and that all else was belief.

I do not accept that as a scientific reality or probability . When you say we cannot KNOW anything, you are factually incorrect. We can know almost anything of which we have personal experience.The rest we have to chose to accepet or reject via belief or trust; in science, books, experts, parents etc. If i don t understand what you are saying perhaps we are on differnt wavelenghts. i dont understand how you can claim that i cannot KNOW my wife exists. Take her age however I have her virth certificate but i have to trust its veracity to believe how old she is But i KNOW how old I am and how old my neices nephesws etc are becaus ei was born before them .

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Yea you are much smarter than Descartes.

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Yea you are much smarter than Descartes.

We all stand on the shoulders of giants .If i wasn't more knowledgeable /smarter than any man from 400 years ago, then there would be something very wrong.

Modern sciences, access to computers, and the abilty to read very quickly all give me knowledge and understandings which were simply not available to descartes. I AM very intelligent in quantifiable ways, but it is not this that enables me to understand that descartes was wrong. It is a modern understanding of sciences, from evolutionary biology to neuro science.

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One can only make logical extrapolations based on ones own evidences and experiences. Those of others can be used for comparison and evaluation but do not apply to an individual.

I use the term "mind meld" becaus e most people would recognise this term. It is a form of hive consciousness also where an individual mind cn both access the uiversal mind but also use the universal mind to link to any other conscious being in the universe. But i first met the cosmic consciousness as a young lad in the late 1950s, long befre star trek was written or thought of. My point is that,because i am totally a normal human being in mind and body, then anything i am capable of doing, so can most other humans (there may be some exceptions. For example while "normal" i cant see some colours very well or distinguish tones accurately while others can)

You are correc,t in that we have an individual mind and body BUT also are part of a greater mind and body, just as individual neurons are part of a larger human brain.

Ps where do you think writers GET ideas like the borg super consciousness or mind melding, from?

But other people have entirely different 'evidences and experiences' than you do. Therefore you are stating that multiple different realities exist simultaneously. And each person experiences their own reality, independent of your reality. That simply must be the logical conclusion you have to draw. Because your experience equals true reality TO YOU, and another persons experience equals their own true reality, which in cases directly contradicts your experience.

So tell me, do you accept what I just said as being logically true, based on what you have been saying?

Define what a normal human being is to you, because in my mind you are not a normal human being :P

Subjective experience does not equal true reality. If this was true then every schizophrenic the world over is experiencing a true reality and not a reality the product of a malfunctioning brain. If this was true then every acid or mushroom tripper really is experiencing a real truthful reality, not simple hallucinations. The fact of the matter is that subjective experience is extremely fallible, totally unreliable, and is a product of the brain's processing of sensory inputs which is reliant on objective scientific known facts of chemistry and biology.

All I am saying, and have been saying, is that you cannot extrapolate subjective conscious experience into an objective truth. If this was possible, then people never would have though that the earth was the center of the universe, people would have understood that bacteria and viruses caused disease and not demons. But people were unable to realize these objective truths through subjective cosmic consciousness experiences. 'Cosmic consciousness' is not a new experience, it has been experienced by humans since recorded history, and probably much earlier. If objective truth's could be discerned through this alone, then people would not need the objective scientific method to understand reality. All they would need to do is tap into this cosmic consciousness. If what you say is true, then why are you not using your ability to tap into cosmic consciousness to help solve big world problems? Why are you using it selfishly to profit from the lottery? If what you say is true, then you sir are squandering a gift of immense proportions for your own selfish needs and gains. And that sir, is shameful.

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