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UFO flies into Mexico's Popocatepetl volcano

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"Popocatépetl´s crater filled to the brim: significance for hazard evaluation"

After 10 years of discontinuous activity Popocatépetl’s crater is almost completely filled with lava dome rock.

http://www.sciencedi...377027304003476

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Thanks for the info. I imagine a lizard-bird spotted another one in the crater and went down to investigate etc.

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Thanks for the info. I imagine a lizard-bird spotted another one in the crater and went down to investigate etc.

At least the next time a vid comes along of a ufo going in the volcano, (and they will), you can cry BS - knowing theres no place for anything to actually go into!

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Now let me think! LOL

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Anytime i see the words "UFO" and "Mexico" in the same sentence i know its a farce.

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It must have been a methane burst or another gas anomaly from the actual volcano.Any lights that are inexplanatory above a volcano signal a gas expulsion or another form of activity.Remember that many volcanoes exhale many things that are or can not be scientifically explained yet!

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The wind forces surrounding a high land mass/structure and the forces of nature that exhibit gasses emanating from these high land masses explain why we are seeing these sights.The laws of physics & natural surroundings explain why we see these occurrances.

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At least the next time a vid comes along of a ufo going in the volcano, (and they will), you can cry BS - knowing theres no place for anything to actually go into!

what about unstructured plasmas?

There are numerous verified accounts of ball lightning contacting a commercial aircraft in flight and somehow finding its way inside the passenger and crew compartment(s), sometimes to exit silently at some point or other times to explode with a loud clap. How the plasma enters the fully enclosed volume has never been explained but it does! - http://www.nicap.org/papers/92apsiee.htm

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The article's explaination makes sense that it's a commercial aircraft. You never see the craft enter into the volcano, it fades just before it hits.

and there is an airport just behind it too, well, not 'just', but close enough

(Reuters) - Flights to and from the airport of Puebla, a major city southeast of Mexico City, were halted on Wednesday morning as ash from the nearby Popocatepetl volcano covered the runway, a state government official said.

"It'll be closed until further notice," said Irving Gonzalez, a spokesman from the state government.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-mexico-volcano-idUSBRE9470XL20130508

eta source!

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what about unstructured plasmas?

There are numerous verified accounts of ball lightning contacting a commercial aircraft in flight and somehow finding its way inside the passenger and crew compartment(s), sometimes to exit silently at some point or other times to explode with a loud clap. How the plasma enters the fully enclosed volume has never been explained but it does! - http://www.nicap.org...rs/92apsiee.htm

nice link, thanks Mcrom.

any idea as to how these where determined to be 'ball lightening'?

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heres a vid from February, again, notice the object approaches from the right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vHa9TkgbsY

So, its just a flight path. But I do think as the OP vid has tampering, ie, time stamp removed, that the thing that seems to curve round while flying 'may' have been added in, as like I say, the volcano is full up, nowhere for anything to fly down to. Or a chopper even

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nice link, thanks Mcrom.

any idea as to how these where determined to be 'ball lightening'?

hiya quillius.. that was part of the discussion in the paper re klass' suggestion, nothing definitive, will have to look further... but imo, we're still uncovering the workings of plasmas, therefore to use incomplete science to refute a hypothesis doesn't sound logical to me i.e. on haines' part

eta...

i used the above quote in response to seeder re solid objects entering closed spaces.... here's another similar example...

People claim to have seen ball lightning entering a house through a closed glass window, yet subsequent examination of the window reveals no damage or even discolouration of the glass.

http://theconversation.com/ball-lightning-exists-but-what-on-earth-is-it-10419

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hiya quillius.. that was part of the discussion in the paper re klass' suggestion, nothing definitive, will have to look further... but imo, we're still uncovering the workings of plasmas, therefore to use incomplete science to refute a hypothesis doesn't sound logical to me i.e. on haines' part

Hello mate, ok will have a good read tonight....and yes I agree we cant use incomplete science to refute a hypothesis but at the same time we cant use it to confirm the same.

There are numerous verified accounts of ball lightning contacting a commercial aircraft in flight and somehow finding its way inside the passenger and crew compartment(s), sometimes to exit silently at some point or other times to explode with a loud clap. How the plasma enters the fully enclosed volume has never been explained but it does! -

this comment sounded quite definitive hence the question.

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ufos seem to frequent this volcano, maybe they can install some equipment there to record the activities? without data it's hard to reach any conclusions...

Much better results have been obtained more recently by the SOSO camera (SOSO Live Camera, website),

which is presently monitoring all the time the sky from a location close to Bologna, Italy. In the specific case

of SOSO, which so far is able to capture atmospheric sprites and bolides, what is acquired by the video

camera is quite easily recognizable. A similar approach is presently used by a monitoring station in the Marfa

area in Texas (Marfa Lights Research, website), which anyway is also devoted to videoing ascertained

anomalous light phenomena occurring very recurrently in the area. Light phenomena of anomalous nature

may not be recognizable as such if simple “light balls” are captured at night time by a video camera. Light

phenomena of such an unstructured nature might be in some circumstance mistaken for airplanes turning

and/or landing, helicopters or even “Chinese lanterns”, unless characteristic erratic features of motion are

recorded (this is sometimes, but not always, a typical signature of earthlights). Several signatures are

necessary in order to recognize an earthlight that appears in a video and a quite strict screening is often

necessary in order to exclude ordinary causes (Project Hessdalen, website). Anyway the performance shown

(also in terms of efficiency, including some triangulation efforts) by the SOSO system seems to be presently

superior to the one shown by the standard Hessdalen station, so that a possible implementation of the SOSO

camera in Hessdalen and other interesting areas is highly recommended if money funding will allow this in

the near future.

http://www.itacomm.net/ph/2009_teodorani.pdf

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Hello mate, ok will have a good read tonight....and yes I agree we cant use incomplete science to refute a hypothesis but at the same time we cant use it to confirm the same.

i don't necessarily agree with that, what i meant was re the mechanisms behind the observation - our ability to explain them fully... for example: we know that gravity is real but we can't explain it fully

this comment sounded quite definitive hence the question.

yeah, i know what you mean, but if you read the paper... haines is trying to use those examples to refute the plasma hypothesis... your question was valid, as i said i just wanted to highlight the examples... check my edit above... :tu:

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maybe they can install some equipment there to record the activities? without data it's hard to reach any conclusions...

The volcano already has 3 dedicated, permanent cameras filming 24/7, and have done for years

And incidentally, Ive discussed this volcano and the images many times on other forums, no matter what is seen and posted, its only over captured from one view, which is odd as the cams surround the volcano, literally. So my money is on bugs on the lens for daytime 'ufo' shots, and planes for night-time shots, (or added hoax images) . One thing we cannot percieve with webcams very well is distances from the objects to the actual volcano

heres the 3 views, starting with the main view that everyone seems to see stuff on!

1: http://www.cenapred.gob.mx/popo/UltimaImagenVolcanI.html

2: http://www.cenapred....poTlamacas.html

3: http://www.cenapred....ImgPopoSur.html

and the Mexican news reporting it? Tourism is always great!!

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The volcano already has 3 dedicated, permanent cameras filming 24/7, and have done for years

And incidentally, Ive discussed this volcano and the images many times on other forums, no matter what is seen and posted, its only over captured from one view, which is odd as the cams surround the volcano, literally. So my money is on bugs on the lens for daytime 'ufo' shots, and planes for night-time shots, (or added hoax images) . One thing we cannot percieve with webcams very well is distances from the objects to the actual volcano

heres the 3 views, starting with the main view that everyone seems to see stuff on!

1: http://www.cenapred....genVolcanI.html

2: http://www.cenapred....poTlamacas.html

3: http://www.cenapred....ImgPopoSur.html

and the Mexican news reporting it? Tourism is always great!!

i appreciate where you're coming from, but that still doesn't rule out uaps for me... check out persinger's work re tectonic stress theory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light

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i don't necessarily agree with that, what i meant was re the mechanisms behind the observation - our ability to explain them fully... for example: we know that gravity is real but we can't explain it fully

sorry, to confirm, I was talking more about what is it that confirms these observations as 'plasma'?

yeah, i know what you mean, but if you read the paper... haines is trying to use those examples to refute the plasma hypothesis... your question was valid, as i said i just wanted to highlight the examples... check my edit above... :tu:

ok

With regards to teh edit, I instantly have more questions...i..e what appears to be solid may indeed not be, how do we know they are solid? also when they are said to enter planes or houses, this would indicate they would have to have been observed from both outside and inside , otherwise how do we know where they originated...especially hard to do this in the plane one would imagine.

but rather than answer these (potentially) pointless questions let me read the paper and come back to you

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I have seen other photos thru the years of this same thing...seems like more than a coincidence or a hoax....

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I have seen other photos thru the years of this same thing...seems like more than a coincidence or a hoax....

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i appreciate where you're coming from, but that still doesn't rule out uaps for me... check out persinger's work re tectonic stress theory...

http://en.wikipedia....arthquake_light

:tu:

Oh and Id agree too, 'anything' - other than UFO's diving into a volcano, which just happens to be solid rock and not hollow!!

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Looks like the video is played faster than normal.... and the UFO is probably a helicopter flying around and then decending BEHIND the crater/mountain.

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UFO means unidentified flying object, it doent mean E.T.

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UFO means unidentified flying object, it doent mean E.T.

Amen.

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Posted (edited)

All I know is, that the lady reporter said more in 30 seconds than I think is humanly possible. Felt like she was talking for an hour.

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I agree with Debunker, looks like a helicopter circling and descending behind the volcano, could have been a research chopper taking readings etc.

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