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What evidence would you look for, to determine if a Witness of Revelation had appeared on earth, based upon your present knowledge; without looking up the reference?

This isn't a memory test, or a Bible school study quiz. It's about what you already know, without any reference.

Imagine that in an instant, every Bible on earth vanished, and all you had, was what was in your head now.

What would you be looking for, and please be specific?

If you haven't a clue, without referencing the passage, then please pass on a reply.

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From my present understanding everyone has a guardian standing directly behind them & that Guardian has all the powers of God. Many paranormal encounters happen behind people when they're alone & that is exactly what happened to the guy in revelations. It was simply his own guardian showing him a symbolic message that related to his own concepts of reality, as guardians do to people all over the world every day

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If you haven't a clue, without referencing the passage, then please pass on a reply.

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You may be right, Shrooma. This forum may not be Christian enough to handle this subject. However, I would encourage the readership to focus more on the mystery of the phenomena, than on the religion it proceeds from. I know this is a tough crowd to please.

I would be looking for demonstrations of power over the elements that are completely ignored or denied at first. The reason for this is simple; we know they appear at a time when humanism is at its height. Men will be literally on the verge of attaining the Tree of Life through genetic engineering.

Instead of looking to God for the Tree of Life by resurrection, people will start looking to stem cells, and organ regeneration, which are within visible reach.

However, as we know from Genesis, the way to the Tree of Life is guarded by a powerful angel with a flaming sword.

These guys are here to destroy the power of humanism, and the spell it holds over all of us, while ironically elevating God's power through two human beings.

Their appearance will present a conundrum of sorts, because on the one hand you have the humanists saying ... this is the way to the Tree of Life, and they'll be saying .... not so fast.

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I think jhons visions are interpretations of actual events that have happened and will happen again. Cycles.

For example. The native American apocalypse pretty much concluded with the sound of trumpets as the people were caught up in clouds. Have you ever seen a representation of wounded knee. it is revelations unfolded before your very eye complete with plagues, war, persecution and the mark of the beast.

Its uncanny how accurate visions from a mad man can be.

Without biblical reference, I can spot the destruction of a population a mike away. When it starts to happen if it does in my life, I will see it. We are balanced on a knifes edge as it is.

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I would be looking for a person who advances Truth without denying reality.

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I would be looking for a person who advances Truth without denying reality.

I'm very glad the ground hasn't swallowed you yet. I was beginning to wonder.

Your reality and my reality may be very different, but does that mean the truth is?

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Probably. Truth, being a philosophical construct, is never objective. Reality, being objective, is the same for everyone, however people tend to filter reality through their philosophy and refer to the result as Truth, forgetting that reality is not open to interpretation.

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Probably. Truth, being a philosophical construct, is never objective. Reality, being objective, is the same for everyone, however people tend to filter reality through their philosophy and refer to the result as Truth, forgetting that reality is not open to interpretation.

That is one point of view, In my own point of view reality is not objective, it is relative to the individual. What you deem as real others might not necessarily agree with. You see how skeptics go around thinking people who believe in God are insane? You try walking up to any native tribe that hasn't been influenced too much by modern civilization and try explaining to them the concept of an airplane... You'll see how quickly you become the one that is told how irrational and idiotic you're being and those things don't exist. Reality is guided by perception of one's own experiences, unless you have seen an airplane.. An airplane would simply not be real to you. Unless you have seen a ghost, a ghost simply would not be real to you... The laws of physics themselves are only real because one learns of them at an early age. Go ahead walk out into the jungle and bring me back a sack of laws of physics... They don't exist out there, just in our minds. Why? because we came up with the idea of explaining what we can and can't do.. Before we came up with this concept, it was not real. It became real when we experienced it first hand.

As far as signs of the end, I would say I would keep three in mind.

1) Super Volcanoes erupting.

2) Large Comet impacting.

3) Man made global warfare.

I don't think all three need to happen, each one individually can suffice to kill off most life on earth.

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That is one point of view, In my own point of view reality is not objective, it is relative to the individual. What you deem as real others might not necessarily agree with.

Hmm...Kinda by definition, "objective" isn't a "What you deem as real" situation. It isn't relative to the individual, but rather, it is defined as having properties or qualities that many individuals agree on without previous exposure to it (ironically, we know this because we have objective definitions of words in dictionaries; I'm sure there's a recursive paradox in there somewhere).

You are, of course, welcome to your own opinions, but that thing you are describing up there? There is really no way that it can mean "objective". It's kind of the polar opposite, actually.

You see how skeptics go around thinking people who believe in God are insane?

Not really. All the skeptics I know are Christian, Buddhist, or Shinto (I haven't met any atheists in Japan, even among expats).

You try walking up to any native tribe that hasn't been influenced too much by modern civilization and try explaining to them the concept of an airplane... You'll see how quickly you become the one that is told how irrational and idiotic you're being and those things don't exist.

Sure. People's opinions vary greatly as determined by their experience. Heck, you don't even have to experience something to be willing to assign a certain level of belief to it (or none at all, depending).

Reality is guided by perception of one's own experiences, unless you have seen an airplane.. An airplane would simply not be real to you. Unless you have seen a ghost, a ghost simply would not be real to you...

You are limiting experience to personal visual observation. That's a pretty narrow range. I don't have to see a submarine to believe they exist, nor does not having seen one or experienced one affect their reality in any way. Submarines continue to exist, regardless of my opinion to them (which is a good test to see if you are talking about objectivity or opinion; If the object being denied existence remains utterly indifferent to your denial, what you got is probably an opinion).

The laws of physics themselves are only real because one learns of them at an early age. Go ahead walk out into the jungle and bring me back a sack of laws of physics... They don't exist out there, just in our minds. Why? because we came up with the idea of explaining what we can and can't do.. Before we came up with this concept, it was not real. It became real when we experienced it first hand.

Similarly, my ignorance on the laws of physics does not keep the laws from existing. They were there long before we came around. That someone was finally able to write them down in a format I could conceptualize is neither here nor there. Just because I don't understand a story written in kanji doesn't mean that story doesn't exist. It is a reflection of my ignorance, not of reality.

As far as signs of the end, I would say I would keep three in mind.

1) Super Volcanoes erupting.

2) Large Comet impacting.

3) Man made global warfare.

I don't think all three need to happen, each one individually can suffice to kill off most life on earth.

Is that a thing? I keep hearing conflicting reports about how the End is supposed to come about. Everything from zombie nightmares, to 2012 disaster porn, to "No one is going to know till it happens".

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Hmm...Kinda by definition, "objective" isn't a "What you deem as real" situation. It isn't relative to the individual, but rather, it is defined as having properties or qualities that many individuals agree on without previous exposure to it (ironically, we know this because we have objective definitions of words in dictionaries; I'm sure there's a recursive paradox in there somewhere).

You are, of course, welcome to your own opinions, but that thing you are describing up there? There is really no way that it can mean "objective". It's kind of the polar opposite, actually.

Not really. All the skeptics I know are Christian, Buddhist, or Shinto (I haven't met any atheists in Japan, even among expats).

Sure. People's opinions vary greatly as determined by their experience. Heck, you don't even have to experience something to be willing to assign a certain level of belief to it (or none at all, depending).

You are limiting experience to personal visual observation. That's a pretty narrow range. I don't have to see a submarine to believe they exist, nor does not having seen one or experienced one affect their reality in any way. Submarines continue to exist, regardless of my opinion to them (which is a good test to see if you are talking about objectivity or opinion; If the object being denied existence remains utterly indifferent to your denial, what you got is probably an opinion).

Similarly, my ignorance on the laws of physics does not keep the laws from existing. They were there long before we came around. That someone was finally able to write them down in a format I could conceptualize is neither here nor there. Just because I don't understand a story written in kanji doesn't mean that story doesn't exist. It is a reflection of my ignorance, not of reality.

Is that a thing? I keep hearing conflicting reports about how the End is supposed to come about. Everything from zombie nightmares, to 2012 disaster porn, to "No one is going to know till it happens".

So what you're saying is that people who live in "their own world" where sub marines do not exist.. This is not reality... Oh no they must still exist, because they exist to you... That's interesting. I guess that would work both ways then.. By your standards their deities must exist to you, because they exist to them.

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So what you're saying is that people who live in "their own world" where sub marines do not exist.. This is not reality... Oh no they must still exist, because they exist to you...

Did...you not get the definition I posted? Does something need to be clarified, regarding individual perception?

Submarines don't exist on my or anyone's say-so. They exist because a bunch of people who had never seen, heard of, or could give two figs about submarines could be led to one and individually come to the conclusion that, out of a description of a car, a plane, or a submarine, it most closely matches the submarine.

Whether they don't or can't understand what a submarine actually does, or whether they believe it can do it or not, does not keep the submarine from not existing. That is a reflection of their ignorance on the subject matter, not of the submarine's existence. It existed before they came to look at it, it existed while they were looking at it, and it continues to exist after they leave, regardless of their opinions on the matter.

That's interesting. I guess that would work both ways then.. By your standards their deities must exist to you, because they exist to them.

You didn't get a very good handle on my standards. And when I say mine, I mean, of course, those of the English language as accepted and defined by the colleges and universities that publish the official dictionaries used to define words and their meanings.

According to my standards, unless the properties of their deities were agreed upon by multiple people who had never had previous exposure to said deity, I would not be able to refer to their claims as objective descriptions, but rather as subjective opinions.

And, Boy! Some people are really subjective about their opinions on what their deity is like!

Most self-proclaimed witnesses to anything mystical tend to describe their encounter or deity in a way suspiciously similar to their own personal views on matters prior to any sort of encounter. I can't recall who said it, but there is a quote that goes something along the lines of:

"I tend to be wary of those who claim to speak for God, as I can't help but notice how often God's opinions tend to mirror their own."

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Considering my opinion on Revelation is that we are already in the End Times and have been ever since Jesus conquered death by rising from the grave (an Eschatological view known as Amillennialism), then I cannot say that I'm actively looking for two witnesses who have a very specific role in witnessing to Christ's message during a great tribulation (or is that Great Tribulation capitalised). Instead of looking for a specific individual who may or may not have the capability of performing miracles (or even rising from the dead, I have a memory that they are supposed to be executed by the Beast but conquer death and show yet another miracle - which in itself was intended as a counterpoint to the Beast's own miraculous resurrection before uniting the governments into a One World Order), I'm instead thinking of them as allegorical of a church and/or teachers that spreads the real message of Christ, rather than a false teaching, as some of many anti-Christs (there are more than one anti-Christ, there are in fact many anti-Christs who have come) may do by deceiving those they follow into non-biblical teachings.

Of course, if I end up being wrong, and the believers are one day magically "raptured" up then hopefully I'll be among them (is not believing in a Rapture sufficient reason to be denied it)? And if I am "left behind" (as the name of the book might imply, though I've never read the books - I prefer my theology to come from scholarly sources) then that's something I'll have to deal with when the time comes, and then begin looking for a charismatic leader who will unite the governments, die and resurrect then set himself up as God on earth, persecute us, give us a mark on our right hands or forehead (666 or 616, depending on which ancient texts you are using) and then finally near the very end look for two witnesses who preach out against the anti-Christ and perform miracles. But I'm not expecting this to happen so it's more a hypothetical scenario here.

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So what evidence distinguishes you as a witness for the orbiting teapot?

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The ability to burn up with a flame of fire proceeding from their mouths anyone who tries to harm them, is a pretty distinguishing evidence. Shutting up the heaven so that it will not rain and then turning water into blood should be pretty convincing. The beast (the devil) that ascends out of hell will kill them. To be sure no one steals the dead bodies they will be watched every minute. They will not be dressed for burial, nor put in a grave. When they come back to life, it should be pretty convincing that they are the two witnesses sent to preach.

The last days started in the apostolic age, when they said, "these last days." The last days have been going on for 2,000 years (give or take a few years).

I am in agreement with the Christians who don't believe this "rapture" theory that Christians are going to be snatched out before the persecution and tribulation era. I do believe there is going to be a judgment and separating of Christians, one from the other. Two preachers will be working the gospel field and one will be taken.

I picture being "taken" as mass numbers in a sudden death rather than a snatching away into heaven. After all I Cor. 15: 52 says, "In the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP..." There a many trumpets being sounded in Revelation. I think right before God calls His people to come out of the harlot is a trump.

The harlot is a wealthy false teaching Christian church. A harlot sells herself in order to live - - and sometimes quite financially well off. The harlot church is here today selling trinkets, crosses, trips, dvds, yard sales, bake sales, cruises, & etc. You name it and they sell it in order to survive, or finance their pet charity. Yet, God says in Revelation about the harlot, "Come out of her MY PEOPLE, lest you be partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues."

Sounds like Christians, like the blind Laodiocia church, will be very actively committed to the harlot. Undoubtedly, many Christians will stay in her and therefore go through some anguish.

Wouldn't there be mass confusion if many Christians suddenly died and had to be buried in mass graves because of the overwhelming numbers of them, while many more Christians are still alive? Sheep and goats. The sickle reaping the wheat.

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1) Super Volcanoes erupting.

2) Large Comet impacting.

3) Man made global warfare.

I don't think all three need to happen, each one individually can suffice to kill off most life on earth.

As I recall, if the infrastructure to keep track of everyone by number or a name is in place, that would appear to require a certain amount of stability. Also, the entire world exchanges gifts upon their deaths. So here too we see enough stability in place that would allow this to occur, even in the midst of what may be global disasters in volume.

The ability to burn up with a flame of fire proceeding from their mouths anyone who tries to harm them, is a pretty distinguishing evidence. Shutting up the heaven so that it will not rain and then turning water into blood should be pretty convincing. The beast (the devil) that ascends out of hell will kill them. To be sure no one steals the dead bodies they will be watched every minute. They will not be dressed for burial, nor put in a grave. When they come back to life, it should be pretty convincing that they are the two witnesses sent to preach.

The last days started in the apostolic age, when they said, "these last days." The last days have been going on for 2,000 years (give or take a few years).

I am in agreement with the Christians who don't believe this "rapture" theory that Christians are going to be snatched out before the persecution and tribulation era. I do believe there is going to be a judgment and separating of Christians, one from the other. Two preachers will be working the gospel field and one will be taken.

I picture being "taken" as mass numbers in a sudden death rather than a snatching away into heaven. After all I Cor. 15: 52 says, "In the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP..." There a many trumpets being sounded in Revelation. I think right before God calls His people to come out of the harlot is a trump.

The harlot is a wealthy false teaching Christian church. A harlot sells herself in order to live - - and sometimes quite financially well off. The harlot church is here today selling trinkets, crosses, trips, dvds, yard sales, bake sales, cruises, & etc. You name it and they sell it in order to survive, or finance their pet charity. Yet, God says in Revelation about the harlot, "Come out of her MY PEOPLE, lest you be partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues."

Sounds like Christians, like the blind Laodiocia church, will be very actively committed to the harlot. Undoubtedly, many Christians will stay in her and therefore go through some anguish.

Wouldn't there be mass confusion if many Christians suddenly died and had to be buried in mass graves because of the overwhelming numbers of them, while many more Christians are still alive? Sheep and goats. The sickle reaping the wheat.

A lot to think about about, and it's 2 AM where I am, so I'll sleep on this one. Edited by Raptor Witness

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What evidence would you look for, to determine if a Witness of Revelation had appeared on earth, based upon your present knowledge; without looking up the reference?

What would you be looking for, and please be specific?

Psalm 69 + sackcloth.

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What evidence would you look for, to determine if a Witness of Revelation had appeared on earth, based upon your present knowledge; without looking up the reference?

This isn't a memory test, or a Bible school study quiz. It's about what you already know, without any reference.

Imagine that in an instant, every Bible on earth vanished, and all you had, was what was in your head now.

What would you be looking for, and please be specific?

If you haven't a clue, without referencing the passage, then please pass on a reply.

Well, I would look for their names, they can only be two of them and they need to be connected to people we know, didn't die. That would leave us Enoch and Elijah.

This is important for a number of reasons, the 1st being that Elijah was always supposed to come announcing the coming of the Messiah. That is why so many people asked if John the Baptist was indeed Elijah returned. Even to this day the Jews traditionally hold an empty place at the table when celebrating Passover or Pesach as they call it.

This tradition remains central to Judaism today and is a reflection of the announcement theme.

The other witness would be Enoch who was taken to be with the Lord, because of his devoutness and faithfulness to God, the book of Enoch, although a work of fiction clearly demonstrates early Jewish fascination with Enoch and his removal from the Earth.

The two witnesses are definitely men and they are definitely human beings, they are not angels and they are not Christians. They are there with one purpose and that is two declare the power of God to the world in thrall of the Antichrist and his universalist philosophy.

The fact that they are murdered in full view of the world and probably branded as terrorists as well is clear, since they are left where they were killed for 3 entire days without anyone removing their bodies. On the 3rd day, they miraculously come to life again, they are resurrected, as Jesus once was, and they continue to Prophesy to the world about what is coming. They then ascend to heaven in much the same way Jesus did as well.

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I am in agreement with the Christians who don't believe this "rapture" theory that Christians are going to be snatched out before the persecution and tribulation era. I do believe there is going to be a judgment and separating of Christians, one from the other. Two preachers will be working the gospel field and one will be taken.

I picture being "taken" as mass numbers in a sudden death rather than a snatching away into heaven. After all I Cor. 15: 52 says, "In the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP..." There a many trumpets being sounded in Revelation. I think right before God calls His people to come out of the harlot is a trump.

Do you know what the reference to the "Last Trump" means?

It has nothing to do with the very last Trumpet blown in heaven, it is in actual fact a reference to a military signal used in the Roman Legions as well as in other militaries from ancient times. We don't find Paul explaining this in any detail which means that the reference was well known to the readers of his letters.

In effect the last trump sounds at the end of a Battle, or even at the end of a specific duty watch, like sentry duty. When it sounds it means the battle is over or the watch is over and the soldiers on duty are being substituted.

Everybody thinks that it has somehow something to do with the 2nd coming, when in fact it does not. There is a lot of confusion about the rapture because of a tendency to misinterpret a lot of different verses. The rapture is in fact biblical and a very real event that will take place.

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What evidence would you look for, to determine if a Witness of Revelation had appeared on earth, based upon your present knowledge; without looking up the reference?

This isn't a memory test, or a Bible school study quiz. It's about what you already know, without any reference.

Imagine that in an instant, every Bible on earth vanished, and all you had, was what was in your head now.

What would you be looking for, and please be specific?

If you haven't a clue, without referencing the passage, then please pass on a reply.

I'd be looking at governments anointed by God to spread the testimony of Jesus and teach His commands. It says elsewhere in Revelation that the testimony of Jesus as ruler over the kings of the earth is spirit of prophecy.

Now these two witnesses are also called prophets. Thus they testify of Jesus. How they afflict the people of earth is really about the blessings of Abraham. God blessed Abraham, saying that those who blessed him would be blessed and those that cursed him would be cursed. Those that harm the two witnesses are harmed in the same manner. And they have the authority as both kings and priests.

They are not two individuals but are rather two groups of believers that have inherited the blessings of Abraham. They are the Jewish and Gentile disciples of Jesus. Hence the 144,000 and the great Gentile multitude as well as the woman with twelve stars and her offspring. Back when Revelation was written, both groups resided among the Romans. I think the two witnesses primarily involve the Gentiles though, because the prophecy of the two witnesses came just after John was told to make a new prophecy about many nations, languages, tribes, and kings.

If Jesus is currently ruler of the kings of the earth, and I believe He is, then the two witnesses are the mechanism for spreading His kingdom. Theyvwould exercise their authority through sanctions and warfare, shown by biblical language of holding back the rain and turning water to blood. Elijah prayed that the rain would cease during his prophecy, aimed at testifying about the one true God amidst the other religions. Aaron stuck Moses' staff (I think) in the water and turned to blood, aimed at establishing the commandments of God that would govern God's people in His chosen kingdom.

I think that this has been going on for nearly two thousand years now. As you can see today, people are getting fed up with us Christians telling them about Jesus and forcing them to live by the commandments. Over in Israel, the Islamic Palestinians face the same circumstance with the Jews. It sounds all to true to me.

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What evidence would you look for, to determine if a Witness of Revelation had appeared on earth, based upon your present knowledge; without looking up the reference?

This isn't a memory test, or a Bible school study quiz. It's about what you already know, without any reference.

Imagine that in an instant, every Bible on earth vanished, and all you had, was what was in your head now.

What would you be looking for, and please be specific?

If you haven't a clue, without referencing the passage, then please pass on a reply.

If every holy book vanished or better yet we'll say they never were. Then there is a chance that no one would know revelation from natural disasters and there would be no witnesses of revelation. What people know of revelation comes from the bible so to eliminate it means there is no knowledge that such an event could be.

If, however, you leave the bible and references to revelation then I would say that after a third of the population disappeared, everybody who was left would be a witness of revelation.

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Psalm 69 + sackcloth.

Excellent reference, but this isn't like a prophet ever seen before. These men will not have to ask God for protection.

Sackcloth symbolizes a complete and total rejection of humanism. It symbolizes a rejection of human power based upon appearance. By stripping off the power of men, distinguished by the clothing we wear, the full power of God is achieved through us. Jesus hated the use of clothing to symbolize God's power, if you pay careful attention. It's a hint of the same type of thing.

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Excellent reference, but this isn't like a prophet ever seen before. These men will not have to ask God for protection.

Sackcloth symbolizes a complete and total rejection of humanism. It symbolizes a rejection of human power based upon appearance. By stripping off the power of men, distinguished by the clothing we wear, the full power of God is achieved through us. Jesus hated the use of clothing to symbolize God's power, if you pay careful attention. It's a hint of the same type of thing.

First you have to read Psalm 69 to understand my take on this subject. It has nothing to do with clothing, nor clothing being the symbol of God's power. The Two Witnesses, I believe, will come with a heavy heart, and that will be the clue. It has nothing to do with total rejection of humanity. In fact, it's the other way around. Their good intention to save people will be rejected by many. They will be attacked and eventually killed. Psalm 69 mirrors the Two Witnesses. You have to keep in mind that the Two Prophets are still human beings with love in their hearts. They will need God's assistance (at least mentally) to do these terrible things...for them to go on with the HORROR SHOW. They're not robots. They are prophets. I would imagine that prophets have kind and loving hearts; unfortunately, this is sometimes lost in translation. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't feel wild about the END OF THE WORLD with many of their fellow human beings dying an eternal death. Their hearts will be broken. They will not jump for joy.

I think you already have your mind made up about the Two Witnesses.

Peace (and everlasting life to all).

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wars, chaos, unknown viruses spreading, political conflicts, global warming, unexpected events like disasters, typhoons, earthquakes - :no:

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First you have to read Psalm 69 to understand my take on this subject. It has nothing to do with clothing, nor clothing being the symbol of God's power. The Two Witnesses, I believe, will come with a heavy heart, and that will be the clue. It has nothing to do with total rejection of humanity. In fact, it's the other way around. Their good intention to save people will be rejected by many. They will be attacked and eventually killed.

I don't think begging for power will be their problem. I think a fear of using it will be their primary concern, hence perhaps why they were chosen.

No one would be chosen who was eager to do what they must and will do, just as Moses was reluctant, and even Jesus.

I've broken my own rule in the OP, by expanding my suspicion to researching that they might be two cherubs. The reason for this is simple. The guardian of the Tree of Life falls, and he is a cherub. We know that there are at least four, and possibly more. Even in human flesh they would have the authority to distribute God's power, and yes, show it off, to distinguish it clearly from that of men, who have become god like through their technology, with Satan's help. After all, having been thrown to the earth, he's trying to claw his way back to Heaven, through men.

These two may even have professions that would make them reluctant or even curious why they were chosen. For example, Jesus was a carpenter, hence his statement that he could destroy the Temple and rebuild it in three days. He also leaves to build a home for the church. It makes perfect sense that He would be a carpenter in the flesh.

Unlike Jesus' rejection of the use of angelic armies at the time of this own death, which He clearly states He could, these two cherubs in the flesh will have an army of angels helping and protecting them, just as the fallen cherub, who has abandoned his post at the Tree of Life.

In the end, the two give up their protection, or it is withdrawn, somehow or way, like Jesus.

How else could men come even close to genetically engineering their own everlasting life without resurrection, if that guardian cherub at the Tree of Life, hadn't abandoned his post? So perhaps the flaming sword, by mouth, is passed to the two witnesses, instead. They then move to block men from gaining access to the Tree of Life. So their role may be multi-purposed, given their similar use of fire as a means of protection.

I also suspect that, like Jesus, they will have a death wish, of sorts. He knew He would be killed if went to Jerusalem, and He knew by causing a disturbance in the Temple, it would give good cause before Pilot. Nevertheless, He had every right to do this, because it was His Father's house.

These two witnesses may even be unaware of the others identity, for reasons that aren't clear at first, but which become clearer before they are murdered. After all, in any court, what witness testifies in synchronized fashion? They speak one at a time, and perhaps are even separated deliberately.

These are just evolving theories, and since I have now broken my own request in the OP of no further research, you might as well throw yours out there, with additional research.

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