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Voynich manuscript has 'genuine message'


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They estimated that it would have taken several years to complete the book. I don't think someone would do that just to prank somebody.

There was a certain type of Renaissance... well, we wouldn't call it a prank or a joke, really, more sort of a intellectual exercise with metaphysically humorous intent, where the amount of energy expended on a project was completely out of proportion to its goal, to sort of stun other people that someone bothered with so much work.

The VM is sort of the perfect example of that. It's only really mysterious inasmuch as that sort of fad no longer is possible. I imagine in 500 years, the Hula Hoop will be sort of the same thing phyiscally as this is intellectually.

--Jaylemurph

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There was a certain type of Renaissance... well, we wouldn't call it a prank or a joke, really, more sort of a intellectual exercise with metaphysically humorous intent, where the amount of energy expended on a project was completely out of proportion to its goal, to sort of stun other people that someone bothered with so much work.

The VM is sort of the perfect example of that. It's only really mysterious inasmuch as that sort of fad no longer is possible. I imagine in 500 years, the Hula Hoop will be sort of the same thing phyiscally as this is intellectually.

--Jaylemurph

Hmm, well it must have been a rich man without any wife and kids doing it, cause he spent a hell of a long time and money just to prank.

If this was the case as you say -that it was this sort of fad around then- it surely must be more examples of similar pranks still around?

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The best example would be a text called Hypnerotomachia Polyphili, which is usually translated as The Struggle of Love in a Dream. It's partly an allegory for the voyage of the soul, but it's written in about a dozen languages and lavishly illustrated, and the author is not certainly known. It's from 1499, so it's even from the same general timeframe.

--Jaylemurph

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I read somewhere ( maybe here as I cant quite remember where) that it might be some form of alchemical codex. I look forward to more information.

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I read somewhere ( maybe here as I cant quite remember where) that it might be some form of alchemical codex. I look forward to more information.

That was suspected for a long time, what is evident is that whoever wrote it was not very consequential, it was much more an exercise in "pretending to make gold", where a large amount of gold passed from one pocket to another.

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I read, sometime in the past and can no longer remember precisely what it was, that one possibility was that the person suffered from a specific disorder (sorry been too long and don't remember) that included the creation of their own written languages.

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Hmm, well it must have been a rich man without any wife and kids doing it, cause he spent a hell of a long time and money just to prank.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Have you heard of the Codex Seriphianus? A similar book in that it's written in a seemingly unknown language and unknown script with all sorts of oddball illustrations of strange lifeforms. At 360 pages, it took the artist (Luigi Serafini) two and a half years to complete it.

Perhaps the author of the Voynich manuscript worked on it in his spare time for years and didn't need to sacrifice family or personal life to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus

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The truth is that the manuscript contains information that would be otherwise impossibly dangerous in the late 16th century.

Well, no, that's not the truth. For that to be the truth, you'd have to actually know what was /in/ the text, and the whole point about this manuscript is that no one does. Except, apparently, you. So since you know what all the text says, please enlighten us.

As for individuals of the upper class that might have more to lose so to speak; they would be hard pressed if they did not cover something up.

Well, no. They would have less need to cover up, not more. As when the Popes received magical blessing from Campanella or rich men accumulated forbidden texts in their libraries. But it's all moot, since any reaction to the text would depend on the information contained in it. Which no one knows. But you.

The fact that this was done by a scribe

Well, I suppose if you somehow magically know the text of the manuscript, there's no reason you wouldn't also magically know its provenance. So sure, yeah, it was the work of a scribe and not the author.

Think outside the scholarly box. The only people who ever made progress did so, unlike yourself.

I will be happy to do so when you show me the difference between "thinking outside the box" and "making things up from whole cloth", and yet I have a lingering doubt based on the above you may have diffculty doing so. Dunno why.

There are a number of reasons why it could be as old as 1100 bc and you can't prove otherwise, I'm not saying that it is, I'm just saying prove it.

Wel, yes: if you magically know what was written and magically know who wrote it, it follows you would magically know when they did it. And I admit I certainly can't prove you don't magically know everything there is to know about the text.

But, actually, yes there are physical reasons it couldn't be from 1,100 BCE: paper, on which the text is written, did not exist then, nor did the style of binding used for the book, both of which did not develop until the current era (c. 200 CE and 700 CE, respectively). And I'd give you citation for those facts, but based on your snide comments above, you don't need no stinkin' facts.

But, gosh, it looks like your magical source of information about the manuscript is not infallible. That must be a blow for your ego.

As for your Wicca reference ***SNIP I'm aware that this is a general term that refers mostly to the neo-pagan movement as it pertains to the resurgence of Indo-European earth based religions. That being said, I don't think using the term "Wicca" or "Wiccan" is that far off from being relatively accurate enough for you to get what I'm referencing.

And, indeed, it /is/ enough for you to demonstrate you don't quite know what you're talking about -- you can't even find the correct word to describe it.

When you talk about all these teachers, theologians and clergymen, All I can really think is who in their right mind uses a few rich men from from Italy or Iberia and thinks that one could surmise an opinion on the whole of European attitude?

Who in their right mind uses the opinions of a spectrum of period thinkers to discuss period thought? Well, (again) you've proven explicitly that you don't need no stinkin' textual references, so the precise answer is hard to discuss, so I'll just go with the simple "a lot" or more specifically, "a lot you don't know and apparently can't be arsed to find out." If you relent on your dedication to ignorance and want to follow up with things like names and books, I'll be happy to provide them.

If it was in writing and we still have it, you can bet that anything other than facts plucked from a timeline, are likely based on the opinions of men with a scued perspective since they would be very unlikely to be commoners with a full ink well and lots of blank pages along with enough time to not have to work or perhaps that is their work. Which they would likely get paid handsomely for.

I think you mean "skewed". I also think that we can safely add spelling to the list of your magic abilities that need a tune-up. And I've read that (run-on) sentence* four times and still can't quite work out what exactly you mean. Maybe you can clarify it for us.

*And grammar to that tune-up list, too.

Oh and lastly, I did point out that the website I read the "translation" on, was of dubious legitimacy. ***SNIP***

Well, you have made it understood your requirements for facts and accuracy is pretty low.

--Jaylemurph

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Check out these drawings by Charles Steffen made in the 1950's while he was a patient at a mental hospital:

Perhaps the origin of the VM can be partially explained by the mental state of its author.

http://www.huffingto..._n_3713308.html

Those are oddly similar (especially that first one). You may be on to something there...which would be bittersweet if it turned out to be true. Such a huge mystery turns out to be the work of a crazy person lol

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Am i the only one who would die of laughter if this turned out to be a dirty book with instruction on how to make herbal viagra?

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