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Why so much depression and why pills to cure

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I don't get it everywhere I look I see so much depression. For instance I post art and poetry on a site called Tumblr. And you won't believe how many young people cut themselves and write about dying. Or how many of them actually ended up killing themselves.

Then we have all the depressed adults... who are depressed and then the mental doctors just give them pills.

I think these methods are not the solution. There must be some evil in the air making people depressed.

What is really going on here? And why haven't mental health doctors advanced beyond giving

patients drugs?

Also Tony Robbins material has been more help than any shrink could.

That guy is a genius and powerful wizard.

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I don't get it everywhere I look I see so much depression. For instance I post art and poetry on a site called Tumblr. And you won't believe how many young people cut themselves and write about dying. Or how many of them actually ended up killing themselves.

Then we have all the depressed adults... who are depressed and then the mental doctors just give them pills.

I think these methods are not the solution. There must be some evil in the air making people depressed.

Drill a hole in their head and let the spirits out?
What is really going on here? And why haven't mental health doctors advanced beyond giving

patients drugs?

Why haven't you advanced beyond superstition?

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Drill a hole in their head and let the spirits out?

Why haven't you advanced beyond superstition?

I am well beyond superstition...

In my youth mental health doctors were a waste of time.

I realized at a young age, they only give people pills and

ask them how their day was.

My methods worked in healing myself in many aspects of life.

pills don't heal anything...

Because most depression just comes from limited beliefs

and negative thinking... as a man thinks he becomes...

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I know iv been on a ton of painkillers for my pain and the side effects are horrible, because essentially its a chemical that once your body gets use to, it begins to need said chemical to feel right. The pharmacy's make a lot of money off the fact that people have to pay for these pills. That's probably why they don't want marijuana to become fully legalized, because that would probably take the place of all pills a person has to take, and if not all most.

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I didn't go to an MD I went to a therapist with a PhD. As he explained he was going to figure out what meds I needed to tell my Doctor to prescribe. I was not going to be on them forever just to get my brain chemistry working better. Then he worked on me to change my thinking in order to change how my brain produced chemicals in its chemical make up, so I wasn't sad all the time. You can change the chemical make up of your brain by changing how you think. It work out very well and gave me tools to help me deal with the grief and other stuff that was pushing over the edge. I still use some of the things he taught me when I need them.

My problem is I have MS which effects the central nerves system which includes the spine and the brain. My emotions can get out of control because of some damage, so I take a little pill that helps keep them in check. Also the side effect is weight loss. It all good. I'll be on the little pill or one like it most likely the rest of my life, but that is better than going off the nut and losing all my friends.

Notice the bio-electric sentient being. Well that is what we are for the most part and sometimes the mother board get wonky and needs be fixed. It would be nice if they could just replace it but there is the bio part.

I was really lucky to fine that man and I shall be ever grateful for his help.

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I know iv been on a ton of painkillers for my pain and the side effects are horrible, because essentially its a chemical that once your body gets use to, it begins to need said chemical to feel right. The pharmacy's make a lot of money off the fact that people have to pay for these pills. That's probably why they don't want marijuana to become fully legalized, because that would probably take the place of all pills a person has to take, and if not all most.

Yes i Believe mary jane would take the place of pills..

for it's relaxing and medicinal purposes...

And now we see many states trying to legalize it :)

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I didn't go to an MD I went to a therapist with a PhD. As he explained he was going to figure out what meds I needed to tell my Doctor to prescribe. I was not going to be on them forever just to get my brain chemistry working better. Then he worked on me to change my thinking in order to change how my brain produced chemicals in its chemical make up, so I wasn't sad all the time. You can change the chemical make up of your brain by changing how you think. It work out very well and gave me tools to help me deal with the grief and other stuff that was pushing over the edge. I still use some of the things he taught me when I need them.

My problem is I have MS which effects the central nerves system which includes the spine and the brain. My emotions can get out of control because of some damage, so I take a little pill that helps keep them in check. Also the side effect is weight loss. It all good. I'll be on the little pill or one like it most likely the rest of my life, but that is better than going off the nut and losing all my friends.

Notice the bio-electric sentient being. Well that is what we are for the most part and sometimes the mother board get wonky and needs be fixed. It would be nice if they could just replace it but there is the bio part.

I was really lucky to fine that man and I shall be ever grateful for his help.

That is really great info Darkwind!!!

I do believe certain mental things do need help with pills.

Like schizoprenia.... and even my lover is on pills.

I just meant for ALL people who are even slight depressed...

it's straight to the prozac right away!!!

I do understand certain pills and drugs do help for certain things....

And i myself had a chemical imbalance in my mind long ago....

but in many ways I think it was my own doing..

I used to be lowly.. and depressed... now I am confident.. and powerful.....

but that inner energy was always there I believe... :)

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Yes i Believe mary jane would take the place of pills..

for it's relaxing and medicinal purposes...

And now we see many states trying to legalize it :)

Yeah there trying to legalize it but to many people would lose money if it was fully legalized. The pharmacies, the drug cartels to name a few.

I use to be depressed but the pills made me feel just off, like I was gonna throw up all the time so I asked my doc to just take me off of them. Haven't been on any anti depressant in 5 or 6 years now. I know there are times when pills are needed, my little cousin she' is on an anti-depressant/ anxiety pill because she is very intelligent for her age and a perfectionist. But along with that she worries literally about everything, from her mom and grandma dying to even the end of the world coming. Shes only 14

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Expectation of quality of life in modern countries is now very high. When then expectation is not met, people get depressed.

Modern society leads us to want more. We're actually extremely lucky and too many people take it for granted.

Simply put - expect too much, get less, get sad.

Pills do their thing - they are tested and tried and if diagnosed and applied correctly, the treatments can be very effective. Side affects are well known and clearly advised.

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I am well beyond superstition...

Your comments on demons shows the opposite.
My methods worked in healing myself in many aspects of life.

pills don't heal anything...

How many trials have you performed?

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I don't get it everywhere I look I see so much depression. For instance I post art and poetry on a site called Tumblr. And you won't believe how many young people cut themselves and write about dying. Or how many of them actually ended up killing themselves.

Then we have all the depressed adults... who are depressed and then the mental doctors just give them pills.

I think these methods are not the solution. There must be some evil in the air making people depressed.

What is really going on here? And why haven't mental health doctors advanced beyond giving

patients drugs?

Also Tony Robbins material has been more help than any shrink could.

That guy is a genius and powerful wizard.

We are not living within the rhythms of our nature. Most people are economics slaves so of course they are going to be depressed.

Pills have their place, but yes the are over used.

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Things to combat depression:

Smile whether or not you feel like it. It helps trick your brain into thinking you are happy.

Slow your breathing when you are feeling stressed. Breath in counting to 7, hold count to 7, breath out counting to 8. It stops the fight or flight response and fools you brain in to thinking here is no danger.

Practice being happy. I have flowers on my porch. I go out and sit with them. I admire their beautiful and focus on that.

Find a hobby and do it. Another one of those things whether you feel like it or not.

Exercise, do something you enjoy.

Join a club or support group, socialize.

Stay away from depressants like booze. I stay out of the bar. I don't have an issue with drinking but I find bars depressing, because people who hang out there are depressed for the most part. I am old hippie anyway and I prefer drumming circles.

Anybody else got suggestions?

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Things to combat depression:

Smile whether or not you feel like it. It helps trick your brain into thinking you are happy.

Slow your breathing when you are feeling stressed. Breath in counting to 7, hold count to 7, breath out counting to 8. It stops the fight or flight response and fools you brain in to thinking here is no danger.

Practice being happy. I have flowers on my porch. I go out and sit with them. I admire their beautiful and focus on that.

Find a hobby and do it. Another one of those things whether you feel like it or not.

Exercise, do something you enjoy.

Join a club or support group, socialize.

Stay away from depressants like booze. I stay out of the bar. I don't have an issue with drinking but I find bars depressing, because people who hang out there are depressed for the most part. I am old hippie anyway and I prefer drumming circles.

Anybody else got suggestions?

Be of service to someone or something. Cut one's self some slack and recognize that imperfection is part of being human and doesn't make us wrong or bad. Forgive someone who's caused you harm. Forgive one's self. Take a dog for a walk. Read something educational or uplifting or inspiring. Listen to some beautiful music. For me it's Mozart's clarinet concerto or Keith Jarrett's Koln Concert. Recognize & accept that you're depressed but carry on with the day. Write positive affirmations. Write in a journal. Give thanks for being alive, feeling the sun or rain on your face, the people who love you, for the shelter you have, the food in your fridge, your cozy bed, the flowers in your garden. Give someone a bouquet. Clean your house, get rid of the dust & debris, put things in order. Smudge with white sage, burn sweet grass. Dance. Take a workshop that interests you. For one day, look into the eyes of everyone you meet and say hello. Visit the library. Wash & wax your car. Put up a bird feeder. Mow the lawn. OK, maybe I've gone a little too far with the last suggestion. While we're all depressed to some degree at one time or another, it doesn't have to stop us from living our lives. And if one is seriously and long-term depressed, visit your doctor, because you could have a bio-chemical imbalance.

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We dont live in societies which allow us to be our true selves. We are forced to think, believe and act like everyone else, there is a standard to what is normal and acceptable and to go against it we receive outright or subliminal ridicule. We redicule ourselves for not being standard and this constant weight makes us psychologically not well on a minor scale and very ill in some or many cases. The problem is in society and is transfered to the individual. We can break free of it but it is a challenge and a fight and most people need guidance to do it. Most guidance is inadequate however, pills may help for temporary relief but by no means is curing the actual problem. I believe our minds our powerful instruments and with purposeful conditioning can be healed! We can acheive a state of semi-perpetual bliss, frequent ecstatic glee and moment by moment appreciation for life. Everyday is a stepping stone and every avenue should be seen as such. Ultimately we have to grow into our natural selves, who by the way is always growing. Being who we are supposed to be has nothing to do with societal norms. We are depressed because we are bound.. prisoners trapped in a frame of mind.

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Yeah we live in a time where conforming is the norm now and if you don't conform some people have a real problem with it, and fads come and go so fast half the time its not even worth it to even try and conform. For instance I don't have a FaceBook or Myspace page and I'm fine with that. Most of my cousins and aunts do though, but I just don't see the point.

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Yeah we live in a time where conforming is the norm now and if you don't conform some people have a real problem with it, and fads come and go so fast half the time its not even worth it to even try and conform. For instance I don't have a FaceBook or Myspace page and I'm fine with that. Most of my cousins and aunts do though, but I just don't see the point.

It is against my path to be conforming. One of the attributes of a Reformed Druid is nonconformity. But I find the social network to be useful. It is tool, if used properly it will end up pulling the world into a more peaceful place.

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Things to combat depression:

Smile whether or not you feel like it. It helps trick your brain into thinking you are happy.

Slow your breathing when you are feeling stressed. Breath in counting to 7, hold count to 7, breath out counting to 8. It stops the fight or flight response and fools you brain in to thinking here is no danger.

Practice being happy. I have flowers on my porch. I go out and sit with them. I admire their beautiful and focus on that.

Find a hobby and do it. Another one of those things whether you feel like it or not.

Exercise, do something you enjoy.

Join a club or support group, socialize.

Stay away from depressants like booze. I stay out of the bar. I don't have an issue with drinking but I find bars depressing, because people who hang out there are depressed for the most part. I am old hippie anyway and I prefer drumming circles.

Anybody else got suggestions?

Strenuous exercise

Vitamin b complex and vitamin c supliments

Meditation

A handfuls of pumpkin seeds and cashoes every day.

A vision quest once a year .

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I think that we all can agree that "depression" is a serious disorder, affecting everything from our own sense of "self-worth" to engagement in society.

The issue seems to be as to whether or not this is "biological" or psychological.

Biological meaning an actual chemical inbalance in one's brain.

Psychological meaning more so an emotionally scewed perspective without a biological component(think sudden rage)

The difference is a hard call, as the symptoms are very similar. (i.e. the placebo effect) and I asked my doctor if there was any test to separate the two. He said no. He said that there is no blood test to determine this.

For example, life-changing exposures, such as death of a loved one, severe financial distress, etc... can easily cause within a person to express many symptoms that mimic biological depression, whereas as good "vacation" can often snap them out of that.

I hate anti-depressants, not for those that need them, but for those that don't.

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It is both, physical and psychological. You have to treat both. The pills without therapy is a waste of time. A good therapist is worth their weight in pills. Your brain picks up habits, you have to change the thought pattern until it becomes a habit to be happy. If you have damage you have to learn to work around it. I have a little crutch to help. Sometimes it takes some trial and error to find the right antidepressant. Everybody has grief and sorrow enter in their life from time to time. But if it has been going on for two years you are over due for some help.

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We dont live in societies which allow us to be our true selves. We are forced to think, believe and act like everyone else, there is a standard to what is normal and acceptable and to go against it we receive outright or subliminal ridicule. We redicule ourselves for not being standard and this constant weight makes us psychologically not well on a minor scale and very ill in some or many cases. The problem is in society and is transfered to the individual. We can break free of it but it is a challenge and a fight and most people need guidance to do it. Most guidance is inadequate however, pills may help for temporary relief but by no means is curing the actual problem. I believe our minds our powerful instruments and with purposeful conditioning can be healed! We can acheive a state of semi-perpetual bliss, frequent ecstatic glee and moment by moment appreciation for life. Everyday is a stepping stone and every avenue should be seen as such. Ultimately we have to grow into our natural selves, who by the way is always growing. Being who we are supposed to be has nothing to do with societal norms. We are depressed because we are bound.. prisoners trapped in a frame of mind.

I get what you're saying about conformity. I tried it and it never worked very well for me, I was never able to sustain my efforts, and honestly? I could never quite figure out what normal was. But I don't think society keeps us from being ourselves, I think we bind ourselves, out of fear and the choices we make. Sure it can be difficult to break free, it usually is, but it's worth the struggle and insecurities and negative reactions that sometimes occur. But easier than living a conforming life that has few rewards & lots of anxiety, a little joy. Possibly finding our joy & bliss is meant to be difficult, because it is those difficulties that lead us to new ways of thinking and problem solving, help us find our inner strength & wisdom, develop persistence & commitment, creativity, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. But wouldn't the great tragedy be to never take the first step in that journey, to hold back, to wait for someone's approval that may never come?

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I can answer your question about the pills. It's very simple. Pills are cheap and most insurance plans cover them. Serious therapy cost thousands and thousands of dollars and most insurance plans don't cover any more than say, 6 to 12 visits, if that many. I'd like to have therapy, but it's a dream that will never happen. So I take the pills. Does that bother me? No, not really. If I were a diabetic, then I would need to take insulin to save my life. These pills are as life saving as insulin and I know if I don't take them, I will die. That's just the way it is.

As for depression, seriously, I'm beginning to think it's a glitch in the brain before we're born. Just like some people are born artists and others are gifted leaders, I think some people are just born with a kink that makes them depressed. Don't forget, the US was the end of a journey for the most adventuresome, the most recalcitrant, and the most troublesome people from other countries. We're also the largest mixing ground of many different nationalities of people ever, many of whom had not married outside their own village in centuries before coming here. Maybe that contributed to depression just as it contributed to the number of people in this country who have debilitating headaches. Who knows? The good thing about depression today is that it's easier to diagnose and there's not the stigma against it like there used to be. But I think of it as a disease that needs to be managed, not something that can be eradicated.

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Expectation of quality of life in modern countries is now very high. When then expectation is not met, people get depressed.

Modern society leads us to want more. We're actually extremely lucky and too many people take it for granted.

Simply put - expect too much, get less, get sad.

Pills do their thing - they are tested and tried and if diagnosed and applied correctly, the treatments can be very effective. Side affects are well known and clearly advised.

I cannot speak for any other person with a mental illness. I will say, however, that in my case, I did not develop clinical depression at age 13 because of "expectation of quality of life". Also, clinical depression is NOT the same thing as feeling sad because you're just ungrateful, lazy, stupid, selfish, etc.

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Sometimes too it can be about changing your circumstances not

changing how you "look at" or "deal" with your circumstances and not just changing your perspective.

This can be hard to impossible to identify when you feel you are in a dark pit and can't "see" anything, or think you are trapped or are just used to doing things the same or if you have given up.

It can also be hard if it involves loved ones in your life who are bringing you down.

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The psychiatric profession has a huge investment in schooling and training that isn't worth much if a pill lifts the depression, so naturally they try to undermine the rather plain evidence.

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I found this on WebMD. It seems there is a physical etiology for depression. It's an illness, not a choice, and not a sign of some sort of character flaw or weakness.

Researchers have noted differences in the brains of people who are depressed as compared to people who are not. For instance, the hippocampus, a small part of the brain that is vital to the storage of memories, appears to be smaller in people with a history of depression than in those who've never been depressed. A smaller hippocampus has fewer serotonin receptors. Serotonin is a calming brain chemical known as a neurotransmitter that allows communication between nerves in the brain and the body. It's also thought that the neurotransmitter norepinephrine may be involved in depression.

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