Do you like your work?

[Phaeton80]

Personally, Im bored out of my mind during work [jr. advisor at Dutch DoD]. I have an insatiable lust for information.

The things Im interested in are either more or less out of reach, or pay jack sh*

Edited July 13, 2013 by Phaeton80

[Beany]

LOL of all the things I have had to do in this life, justifying the fact that I like my work, did not occur to me.

So let me see if I can elucidate my position.

In the modern world there are things that you need in order to stay healthy and safe. Electricity, food, clothing, and shelter. And unless you were born into a wealthy family, you need to work inorder to acquire the above mentioned items. My occupation brings in an acceptable income to provide for the necesseties of life, and for non-essentials as well. Unless you believe that the power company should give you energy, and the farmer should just hand out their produce, without recompense because you want it, you need money. This aspect of my employement gives me a sense of security, knowing that I am prepared, financially.

The nature of my job allows me to interact in a meaningful way with my customers (should have said that before), to share in their joys and their griefs; to offer a helping hand or a sympathetic ear as the need arises. My job is service oriented, which fulfills my need to feel that I am contributing TO society, rather than being a drain ON society.

My job presents some small challenges, such as time and space management, which keeps the work 'fresh', as I never know what the work load will be until I get it. I spend part of my day indoors, and the rest out in the air, providing me with some beautiful scenery year round, which also prevents the job from being a grind. Being out of the office also allows me to think about things that I want to do, or ideas I wish to bring to fruition.

And I will admit that there are days that I feel like giving up the work, but all in all, I do enjoy it. Probably the fact I could give up this job if I so chose, allows me the ability to place the small irritations of the job in their proper perspective.

As for your attitude Pento, I really don't give a fart in a firefight whether you believe me or not, your world view is your problem, not mine.

Thus the last sentence of my earlier post: So, Panto, this post isn't for you. Your response is pretty much predetermined. It's for other readers who have more open minds, who might share with me some satisfaction about their jobs. And the pleasure of being self-supporting.

[Beany]

I might have believed you if this didn't sound like the job description advert had gone in your ear and come out your mouth. How about some authentic detail? How about forget "building new & sustainable relationships", "being part of building a team based on mutual respect & trust", "looking for solutions, innovation, and partnering", and "being proactive" ---- that really is all advertising guff and says nothing about you or your job except that you've read the advertising guff.

I already anticipated your response, Panto. As for whether you believe me or not, that's your personal decision and is no reflection on me. You've already stated elsewhere on UM that you believe you are superior to everyone else, so of course your response to my post would be in alignment with that belief. And as for solutions, innovation & partnering, the program I run is #1 within the University system and I get calls from people all over the country asking for advice on how to improve their programs. We've done so well that the University VP was asked by the Chancellor to do a presentation at a quarterly meeting of University VPs so that other universities could improve their performance. I also get paid to do online webinars in my field. And, oh yeah, just got my performance evaluation, it was the highest score possible. It's probably very difficult for you to comprehend that inferior people like me can make a plan, set goals, then work to achieve them, get the desired results and perform at a high level, instead of whining around about our jobs and how we're held down and how miserable and trapped we are.

[Beany]

As to providing an income for your family, well, one has to question the "need" im[posed on us to make an income. As to "allows me to interact with people": are you telling me that you need employment to be able to interact with other people??!!?? I don't. In fact, employment actually hinders and prevents me from interacting in any meaningful way with people. And as to the dream job: to quote a slave owner responding to requests for advice from other slave owners about good slave management "keep the slave physically strong but psychologically weak" --- it is part of psychological weakness, and a part that serves slave owners well, if the slaves cannot conceive of anything better, have lost the ability to dream.

I imagine there are plenty of other factors other than a job that hinders you from interacting in any meaningful way, like your contempt & disdain for anyone other than yourself. I'm assuming that your behavior is pathological and therefore out of your control, but it's sometimes hard to remember that. I'm also guessing you've tried meds & counseling/therapy, with little or no success. So this forum is perfect for you: anonymity, no repercussions, a limited feedback system that allows you to maintain your delusions, few rules or guidelines that might keep you from insulting other participants. There isn't a person on this forum who deserves the kind of treatment you dish out, the name-calling you engage in, the utter lack of respect, and failure to recognize the validity of a POV that doesn't match yours.

[some new guy]

You sound just like one of those "high achievers" one hears being interviewed on the radio who just happen to have "the best job in the world". They do not. What is behind this is they are being competitive. They are selling themselves. If you had not been a success, I wonder if your "passion" for record collecting would have endured. Actually, you also remind me of the cost of success: if you are a craft's person or whatever, you enjoy doing your craft and that's fine, but when you have to earn a living you have to traipse your stuff round shops, arrange exhibitions, chase agents ---- in fact spend almost all your time on tedious, soul-destroying activities which have nothing at all to do with the craft itself. Also, if you want to be accepted, you very quickly have to take on board that shopkeepers, agents, exhibitors etc, all have their own ideas about what they want to sell etc, --- just like editors, they will demand changes for the sake of sales and that means prostituting your craft for the sake of selling.

haha! - boy, you make some great assumptions about something you know nothing about - I dont traipse around to other shops, I dont arrange exhibitions, I dont have an agent or a manager, I dont make changes to accomadate what others want - my shop and my work is strictly underground DIY activity, I have no employees and I have no boss - sorry, I dont prostitute my craft, either people accept it on my own terms or they get nothing at all - sorry, I dont compete with anyone but I do have quite a few compatriots

high achiever? - no wucken fay, Jose - I'm small time but I do well enough so I dont have to worry about paying the bills - I'm not a financially motivated person otherwise I'd probably be doing some of the things you assume I do - in case no one told you, some things in life are more important than money and acceptable business practices

is my job the best job in the world? - why, yes it is, thank you very much - I pretty much get to do whatever I want, whenever I feel like doing it - maybe someday you'll be able to say the same thing about whatever it is you do to make a living

BEST - Ron

[Jodie.Lynne]

You're a persistant little beggar, aren't you? I bet you gave your mummy a hell of a bad time with your incessant questions which get re-iterated if not answered.

Had my doubts before, but yep, you're one of those annoying, whining little people who think that they are god's gift to the world and anything you want should be handed to you. What happened? Did Mummy lock you in the closet too long?

[Bendy Demon]

You're a persistant little beggar, aren't you? I bet you gave your mummy a hell of a bad time with your incessant questions which get re-iterated if not answered.

Don't patronize me. We gave you answers yet each one you felt was somehow a lie or a delusion.

Everyone has their reasons and we are not here to beg for your approval on the matter.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Ryu

[some new guy]

It's for other readers who have more open minds, who might share with me some satisfaction about their jobs. And the pleasure of being self-supporting.

oh man, you're not kidding - being self-employed and self-sufficient is the best job/life anyone could hope for - sure there's problems and hassels but thats part of the charm, you get to deal with them on your own terms

LOL of all the things I have had to do in this life, justifying the fact that I like my work, did not occur to me.

haha - I know, how amazing is that

BEST - Ron

[Beany]

Had my doubts before, but yep, you're one of those annoying, whining little people who think that they are god's gift to the world and anything you want should be handed to you. What happened? Did Mummy lock you in the closet too long?

Hmmm, for a writer your response is surprisingly full of cliches and your insults lack any real creativity. I'm giving your response a 6.2 for those reasons.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Beany

[Beany]

Don't patronize me. We gave you answers yet each one you felt was somehow a lie or a delusion.

Everyone has their reasons and we are not here to beg for your approval on the matter.

Ryu, she's never going to get it, can't get it, don't expect any normal behaviors.

[pallidin]

Please forgive that I have not read all the posts, I usually do.

On the general topic here, I have had both good and bad experiences with employer's.

Too complex to shortly elaborate, so I won't.

What I will say is this... be careful. I was a manager several times, and I can tell you that a weird "power-trip" can go through a manager's head, to the detriment of an employee.

Then I became an employee at another company and felt what I was previously dishing-out.

Karma? Likely not. Just employment life.

Employment can be great or very hard to handle. I had a manager once that said to me "It's not the job, it's the people" So true.

Perhaps this a reason why some, if financially able, choose self-employment(i.e. their own business), which is what I did.

[Jodie.Lynne]

Hmmm, for a writer your response is surprisingly full of cliches and your insults lack any real creativity. I'm giving your response a 6.2 for those reasons.

Aww shucks Ma'am, you should see me after I've had my coffee

Can I have another go?

[Beany]

Aww shucks Ma'am, you should see me after I've had my coffee

Can I have another go?

The rating was for Panto, but perhaps you'd like to attempt to exceed her score. Post-caffeine, of course. I personally have to set up my coffee maker in the evening because I can't make morning coffee unless I've already had coffee.

[pantodragon]

I imagine there are plenty of other factors other than a job that hinders you from interacting in any meaningful way, like your contempt & disdain for anyone other than yourself. I'm assuming that your behavior is pathological and therefore out of your control, but it's sometimes hard to remember that. I'm also guessing you've tried meds & counseling/therapy, with little or no success. So this forum is perfect for you: anonymity, no repercussions, a limited feedback system that allows you to maintain your delusions, few rules or guidelines that might keep you from insulting other participants. There isn't a person on this forum who deserves the kind of treatment you dish out, the name-calling you engage in, the utter lack of respect, and failure to recognize the validity of a POV that doesn't match yours.

Congratulations, Beany, you're on top form today!

[BloomyDave]

In fact, employment actually hinders and prevents me from interacting in any meaningful way with people. And as to the dream job: to quote a slave owner responding to requests for advice from other slave owners about good slave management "keep the slave physically strong but psychologically weak" --- it is part of psychological weakness, and a part that serves slave owners well, if the slaves cannot conceive of anything better, have lost the ability to dream.

As for the welfare, you're welcome.

Did you start this thread just to be a jerk? It appears to be the case.

[d e v i c e]

I think just because people may find their jobs difficult doesn't mean they don't enjoy their lives. It just means they realize that life will hand you difficulties whatever way you approach it and some people prefer life to be a challenge anyway, in order to allow themselves to grow as people. At least that's how it is for me and how it is for people I know. They're not afraid of a bit of hardship because it's leading them to a goal they have in mind.

[Arbenol]

Did you start this thread just to be a jerk?

Panto appears to be a deeply unhappy individual who assumes everybody must be as desperately miserable as she is. And if you have the audacity to write anything that suggests a modicum of joy in your life, she'll do her best to remove it.

And yes. She starts every thread just to be a jerk.

It's oddly entertaining, though.

Edited July 18, 2013 by Arbenol68

[shrooma]

i enjoy my job a great deal, most of the jobs i've had in fact, whether it's been landscape gardening, cheffing, engineering, or voluntary work for a local cancer trust.

the key to liking your job is choosing to do something you enjoy doing, and not to look at as work.

my job allows me to operate lots of heavy plant & machinery, to build complicated items from steel, to hammer the s**t out of huge lumps of metal all day long, and have pride in the finished article.

and i enjoy it immensely.

of the examples you've cited PD, the people can't possibly have "loved" what they were doing, only thought they did.

i "love" the sun, and if i could get a job testing tanning lotions, sitting by a pool in spain or greece, reading books & drinking chilled margueritas, do you honestly think i could get sick of doing that for a living?

of course i couldn't.

but i don't expect you to believe me.

do you think astronauts get p***ed-off when they have to *yawn* go back up into space?

of course they don't.

but i suspect you wouldn't believe them either.

(even the female ones.....)

;-)

i play in a band

(The Beltaines, miss them at your peril!!),

and enjoy every second of it. not once, ever, has it felt like a chore, and i've been doing it for thirty years.

but i don't expect you'll believe me.

i'm a fairly competant artist, and i draw because there are pictures inside me, and can not stop until they're on paper in front of me.

then i give them away to whomever wants them, because the joy is in the creation, not the resultant circumstance of the end product.

but i don't expect you to believe me.

it is very, very easy to enjoy doing things you enjoy doing, and people who can't, haven't found something they truly enjoy doing yet.

believe it or not.....

Edited July 18, 2013 by shrooma

[shrooma]

You're a persistant little beggar, aren't you? I bet you gave your mummy a hell of a bad time with your incessant questions which get re-iterated if not answered.

There isn't a person on this forum who deserves the kind of treatment you dish out, the name-calling you engage in, the utter lack of respect, and failure to recognize the validity of a POV that doesn't match yours.

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Beany has a very valid point here PD.

these are public forums, as you know, and personal attacks & derogatory remarks about fellow posters are neither welcomed, nor allowed, so you might want to reign in the causticity a little huh?

[pantodragon]

It is so heartening to see how many of you enjoy your work. Maybe I do have too black a view of the world of work; there's obviously great scope in this world for job satisfaction; Josef Mengele, Angel of Death

[shrooma]

there's obviously great scope in this world for job satisfaction; Josef Mengele, Angel of Death

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see!

if lunatics can enjoy injecting twins' eyes with dyes to make them different colours, just imagine how much fun porn stars have when they clock on for their *ahem* daily grind!

:-)

[some new guy]

nazis and porn stars - you just know they whistle while they work

BEST - Ron

[MacsMom]

In the grand scheme of things, this was a total waste of a thread.

[shrooma]

In the grand scheme of things, this was a total waste of a thread.

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that's just what dr mengele said after he tried sewing two twins together to see if he could make them into a conjoined twin.....

[MacsMom]

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that's just what dr mengele said after he tried sewing two twins together to see if he could make them into a conjoined twin.....

That is sick and twisted, yet made me laugh. I am so embarassed!!