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First wolf found in Holland after 150 years

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Wolves are prowling into Western Europe in their largest numbers for more than a century after a spate of mysterious sheep massacres that has spread fear through farms across the continent.

Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.

Meanwhile in Germany, 50 wolf-pack raids were recorded in Germany last year alone despite the fact that the country's supposed 'last wolf' was shot dead in 1904.

http://www.dailymail...ve-Britain.html

http://www.independe...pe-8703910.html

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Wolves are prowling into Western Europe in their largest numbers for more than a century after a spate of mysterious sheep massacres that has spread fear through farms across the continent.

Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.

Meanwhile in Germany, 50 wolf-pack raids were recorded in Germany last year alone despite the fact that the country's supposed 'last wolf' was shot dead in 1904.

http://www.dailymail...ve-Britain.html

http://www.independe...pe-8703910.html

I don't think it is anything to get too worried about. All they need to do is issue hunting tags for wolves. Keeps the population down. If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.

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I don't think I would let a few wolves worry me.

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Am I dreaming, but wasn't there another wolf-related story about wolves in Germany posted yesterday - cannot see it now?

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I don't think I would let a few wolves worry me.

It may be something to wory about if you have chickens and you let them free range. Certainly something that can change how you live,

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Good to see the wolves making a comeback. But it's just a shame man can't find a way to coexist with anything.

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I don't think it is anything to get too worried about. All they need to do is issue hunting tags for wolves. Keeps the population down. If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.

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shooting everything in sight isn't the answer.

the last time we tried that, as a way of "keeping the numbers down" we wiped them out, and i don't really think we have the right to do that.

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shooting everything in sight isn't the answer.

the last time we tried that, as a way of "keeping the numbers down" we wiped them out, and i don't really think we have the right to do that.

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I think we have the right.

Never said shoot everything in sight. What gave you that idea? Issuing a determined number of tags will work well. Let the experts monitor the population. Too many wolves is worse than no wolves. The idea is to keep a happy number somewhere in the middle.

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Wolves in Holland? Have you any idea how densely populated that place is? Next it will be wolves in Hong Kong.

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The wolves are just doing what wolves do. Living, eating, etc,.. If you leave a small population of animals alone for a while in a prime habitat they will regenerate their populations. 100 yrs ago that would have been fine, but now with humans moving into every corner of the globe people/wolf interactions will become more common. Especially when livestock is involved. Wolves are not stupid, they will take an easy meal when presented with one and sheep and livestock present them with one. As populations of both wolves, humans, and therefore livestock increase a happy medium has to be reached for the sake of the livestock, humans, and wolves. In my opinion a controlled number of tags to kill a wolf could be issued after a conclusion has been come to on the population density of the wolves. This way the owners of the livestock could legally take a certain number of wolves every year without damaging the overall population.

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I agree Mike.

Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.

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Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.

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Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.

They will attack other animals than livestock. They are a predator.

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They will attack other animals than livestock. They are a predator.

Just like humans, eh?

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Just like humans, eh?

Pretty much. But humans have the ability to stop the wolves.

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Pretty much. But humans have the ability to stop the wolves.

By killing them?

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By killing them?

If need be. Most people do the same with rodents, insects or any pests which cause them grief.

I usually kill a couple raccoons each year because they kill my chickens. I look at as protecting my chickens and my source of eggs.

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I agree Mike.

Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.

And in the UK, deer populations (which also have a poor gene pool) have to be controlled because humans removed the apex predator - the wolf. If we get reintroduction in my lifetime it will be in Scotland as natural prey/predator control.

Human overpopulation is no excuse for killing animals that are just exploiting whatever niche they can.

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Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.

Having had the privilege of being part of captive wolf packs for three years I couldn't agree more, they are the most wonderful and misunderstood creatures on the planet.

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Loads of my wolf piccies on Flickr

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Having had the privilege of being part of captive wolf packs for three years I couldn't agree more, they are the most wonderful and misunderstood creatures on the planet.

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Loads of my wolf piccies on Flickr

What a beautiful picture! I looked through all your wolf pics - the cubs are just too cute for words! :wub: :wub:

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I think we have the right.

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really?

we have the right to hunt creatures to extinction in their natural habitats, then when said species stages a comeback we start shooting them up all over again because we consider them a disruption to our commercial enterprises?

Tigers have been known to kill people, not just chickens, but no-one would suggest shooting them because of the threat they pose would they?

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Never said shoot everything in sight. What gave you that idea?

issue hunting tags for wolves. Keeps the population down. If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.

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that quote did myles, unless "open season" means something different here.....?

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In my opinion a controlled number of tags to kill a wolf could be issued after a conclusion has been come to on the population density of the wolves.

Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.

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establishing population densities are the crucial factor here, but as you can see, precisely one wolf has been found, a dead one at that, and already people are a' startin' polishin' up their shootin' irons.....

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Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.

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then do it naturally.

with wolves.

not guns.

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If need be. Most people do the same with rodents, insects or any pests which cause them grief.

I usually kill a couple raccoons each year because they kill my chickens. I look at as protecting my chickens and my source of eggs.

Killing things to prevent them from killing things.

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If the Dutch want wolves around, then that is their matter. People all over the world manage to get along with them and they are a beautiful part of nature. My basic reaction, however, stands; wolves belong in forests and the Dutch don't have much of that.

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Killing things to prevent them from killing things.

Yes. In certain situations.

I spray for ants too.

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