badeskov Posted April 25, 2014 #151 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So the mortician, and nurse; all telling lies? I see a pattern of denial here. Which mortician and which nurse? The non-existent ones, i.e. the ones invented by the ET visitation proponents? Cheers, Badeskov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted April 25, 2014 #152 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I challenge anyone to find any kind of reference to 'bodies' in the original Roswell documentation. It's just not there. Why then should the claims of bodies, alien or otherwise, recovered at Roswell even be taken slightly seriously? I understand I'm dealing with the proverbial "doubting Thomas", but I knew a man, dead now, who flew on B-24's during WWII. A friend of his who made a career in USAF after the war made a deathbed confession in accordance with the terms of an oath he took when he flew alien bodies from Roswell to Wright Patterson back in the late 40's. Believe what you want, but it happened. Corso and Birnes did a great job with "The Day After Roswell". Everybody there described the bodies, and 1 or 2 were still alive when they first got there. Many described strong feelings of telepathy in the presence of the aliens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 25, 2014 #153 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I understand I'm dealing with the proverbial "doubting Thomas", but I knew a man, dead now, who flew on B-24's during WWII. A friend of his who made a career in USAF after the war made a deathbed confession in accordance with the terms of an oath he took when he flew alien bodies from Roswell to Wright Patterson back in the late 40's. Believe what you want, but it happened. Corso and Birnes did a great job with "The Day After Roswell". Everybody there described the bodies, and 1 or 2 were still alive when they first got there. Many described strong feelings of telepathy in the presence of the aliens. No, simple doubting does even begin to describe it. Corso was full of $#1t and Birnes makes his living exploiting the ignorant. Neither has impressed me as being knowledgeable or honest. Who is "everybody" and exactly how does telepathy feel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr no Posted April 25, 2014 #154 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So the mortician, and nurse; all telling lies? I see a pattern of denial here. The mortician who first mentioned the bodies in 1989?.Unfortunately the nurse who told him of this fact didn't exist.You really must read more this is very old news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 25, 2014 #155 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So the mortician, and nurse; all telling lies? I see a pattern of denial here. No, fictitious people cannot lie. You got me there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted April 25, 2014 #156 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Which mortician and which nurse? The non-existent ones, i.e. the ones invented by the ET visitation proponents? Cheers, Badeskov Oh no. Quite real. See here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr no Posted April 25, 2014 #157 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Glenn Dennis might be real but the nurse who allegedly told him of the bodies didn't exist.Of course when you're part owner of a Roswell museum you've got a vested interest in keeping the myth going. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 25, 2014 #158 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Glenn Dennis might be real but the nurse who allegedly told him of the bodies didn't exist.Of course when you're part owner of a Roswell museum you've got a vested interest in keeping the myth going. Yep, always follow the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted April 25, 2014 #159 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I understand I'm dealing with the proverbial "doubting Thomas", but I knew a man, dead now, who flew on B-24's during WWII. A friend of his who made a career in USAF after the war made a deathbed confession in accordance with the terms of an oath he took when he flew alien bodies from Roswell to Wright Patterson back in the late 40's. Believe what you want, but it happened. Corso and Birnes did a great job with "The Day After Roswell". Everybody there described the bodies, and 1 or 2 were still alive when they first got there. Many described strong feelings of telepathy in the presence of the aliens. Why wasn't there any bodies mentioned in any of the initial interviews or documentation? That's a pretty major detail to just pass over don't you think? Unless of course you believe that the government hushed it up somehow in which case why would you believe anything the original witnesses said? They would have been parroting government disinformaton. If you can't believe the original witnesses then where does that leave you? Clinging to hucksters with books to sell, that's where. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 25, 2014 #160 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Not really. The REAL story is much more interesting than the conjecture... and Yes, Virginia, there are flying saucers. As Hazzard said, we await compelling exhibit A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted April 25, 2014 #161 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Why wasn't there any bodies mentioned in any of the initial interviews or documentation? That's a pretty major detail to just pass over don't you think? Unless of course you believe that the government hushed it up somehow in which case why would you believe anything the original witnesses said? They would have been parroting government disinformaton. If you can't believe the original witnesses then where does that leave you? Clinging to hucksters with books to sell, that's where. We KNOW the government hushed it up. We KNOW the government changed the story. There are newspaper records--first they acknowledged a flying saucer or some such, and then soon thereafter the official story became a weather balloon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 25, 2014 #162 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) We KNOW the government hushed it up. We KNOW the government changed the story. There are newspaper records--first they acknowledged a flying saucer or some such, and then soon thereafter the official story became a weather balloon. Yeah, and according to a Chicago newspaper, Dewey defeated Truman. Was that a cover-up too? Or was the paper just wrong? Since when are newspaper stories the official word on anything? Edited April 25, 2014 by sinewave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted April 25, 2014 #163 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Glenn Dennis might be real but the nurse who allegedly told him of the bodies didn't exist.Of course when you're part owner of a Roswell museum you've got a vested interest in keeping the myth going. I doubt it. She was real all right. God rest her soul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted April 25, 2014 #164 Share Posted April 25, 2014 As Hazzard said, we await compelling exhibit A. That would be nice. Alas not possible in a culture where denial and cover up are the official policy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 26, 2014 #165 Share Posted April 26, 2014 That would be nice. Alas not possible in a culture where denial and cover up are the official policy. Now if you only had proof that any government can do something that efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted April 26, 2014 #166 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Now if you only had proof that any government can do something that efficiently. If only you were perceptive enough to observe the signs that there is a government coverup.....egads 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted April 26, 2014 #167 Share Posted April 26, 2014 There are newspaper records. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 26, 2014 #168 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) If only you were perceptive enough to observe the signs that there is a government coverup.....egads This is what we call a null hypothesis. It serves multiple purposes. Primarily, it is a way to fill in the blanks of an apparent or real mystery all at once without doing any thinking. Null hypotheses are great because they allow a person to have an opinion without understanding. They are the ultimate intellectual shortcuts. Psychologists call the tendency, cognitive dissonance. This happens when reality stubbornly does not comply with belief. The believer concludes that reality must be a lie and begins to construct a parallel reality to support the belief. Yes, governments sometimes lie. But the same governments that operate so inefficiently and sometimes ineffectively as we have all witnessed in our daily lives cannot also be the governments that can quickly locate, collect, and hide the every scrap of debris from every so-called crashed alien space craft anywhere and any time. If the US government has done this, it stands as the only thing it has ever been able to accomplish with any efficiency. Edited April 26, 2014 by sinewave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendigger0 Posted April 26, 2014 #169 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) This is what we call a null hypothesis. It serves multiple purposes. Primarily, it is a way to fill in the blanks of an apparent or real mystery all at once without doing any thinking. Null hypotheses are great because they allow a person to have an opinion without understanding. They are the ultimate intellectual shortcuts. Psychologists call the tendency, cognitive dissonance. This happens when reality stubbornly does not comply with belief. The believer concludes that reality must be a lie and begins to construct a parallel reality to support the belief. Yes, governments sometimes lie. But the same governments that operate so inefficiently and sometimes ineffectively as we have all witnessed in our daily lives cannot also be the governments that can quickly locate, collect, and hide the every scrap of debris from every so-called crashed alien space craft anywhere and any time. If the US government has done this, it stands as the only thing it has ever been able to accomplish with any efficiency. Government (USA) does a lot of things very efficiently, for example development, deployment and coordination of a fleet of nuclear powered and nuclear-armed submarines patrolling the planet at all times. The continual launching of satellites into space for communications, and to monitor terrestrial goings-on. The marvelous construction of ever more expansive (and expensive) underground facilities in order to protect and preserve our bureaucracy, electorate, and it's acolytes. And of course the amazing efficiency with which Governmental entities have conspired to financially enslave the citizenry, while enriching itself, through the fractional reserve banking system. USA Government sanctioned bodies are also very efficient at controlling political activity in foreign nations; deposing and/or assassinating elected leaders deemed unwieldy to U.S. "interests", while keeping those activities largely unknown to U.S. citizens. Government also seems quite efficient at quelling any sort of public-funded R&D that could challenge methods and materials used by the entrenched monopolistic industrial status-quo. True, Government is not very efficient or effective at things like coordinating National Health Care, feeding the hungry, or housing the homeless... but hey, they can't do everything. Government has tried to contain and control any information about UFO's, through secrecy, intimidation, and ridicule. Now, some Governmental attaches are disclosing what they know. The truth is coming out. Edited April 26, 2014 by bendigger0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 26, 2014 #170 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Government (USA) does a lot of things very efficiently, for example development, deployment and coordination of a fleet of nuclear powered and nuclear-armed submarines patrolling the planet at all times. The continual launching of satellites into space for communications, and to monitor terrestrial goings-on. The marvelous construction of ever more expansive (and expensive) underground facilities in order to protect and preserve our bureaucracy, electorate, and it's acolytes. And of course the amazing efficiency with which Governmental entities have conspired to financially enslave the citizenry, while enriching itself, through the fractional reserve banking system. USA Government sanctioned bodies are also very efficient at controlling political activity in foreign nations; deposing and/or assassinating elected leaders deemed unwieldy to U.S. "interests", while keeping those activities largely unknown to U.S. citizens. Government also seems quite efficient at quelling any sort of public-funded R&D that could challenge methods and materials used by the entrenched monopolistic industrial status-quo. True, Government is not very efficient or effective at things like coordinating National Health Care, feeding the hungry, or housing the homeless... but hey, they can't do everything. Government has tried to contain and control any information about UFO's, through secrecy, intimidation, and ridicule. Now, some Governmental attaches are disclosing what they know. The truth is coming out. There is certainly a difference between success and efficiency. You have mentioned a few successes but none of those things requires the level of coordination needed to pull off the task of tracking, locating, and recovering every crashed alien space craft within minutes as ETH believers assert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted April 26, 2014 #171 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just to compare, in my county in the last 15 years or so, it took the military only a day or two to find the location of crashed military jets, F-16 and F-18, two separate incidents. USAF responded more quickly than the Navy, but that's because there are several bases nearby. Once they learn the location, the rest is pretty easy for them, with boats and helicopters. I expect they could respond to a crashed ET vehicle just as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted April 26, 2014 #172 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Another mess I see Its not quite as bad as the New Pop Up`s on the side bar`s ! I guess it was just a matter of time before U/M bought into the money mill ? Sad,So very Sad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted April 26, 2014 #173 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just to compare, in my county in the last 15 years or so, it took the military only a day or two to find the location of crashed military jets, F-16 and F-18, two separate incidents. USAF responded more quickly than the Navy, but that's because there are several bases nearby. Once they learn the location, the rest is pretty easy for them, with boats and helicopters. I expect they could respond to a crashed ET vehicle just as quickly. That wouldn't be because the military knew exactly where those jets were going and where they were going to be at any given time before they even left the runway would it? That's a bit different from something that could come and go any time anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted April 26, 2014 #174 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just to compare, in my county in the last 15 years or so, it took the military only a day or two to find the location of crashed military jets, F-16 and F-18, two separate incidents. USAF responded more quickly than the Navy, but that's because there are several bases nearby. Once they learn the location, the rest is pretty easy for them, with boats and helicopters. I expect they could respond to a crashed ET vehicle just as quickly. You are aware that commercial and military aircraft have tracking devices that simplify the task, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted April 26, 2014 #175 Share Posted April 26, 2014 You are aware that commercial and military aircraft have tracking devices that simplify the task, right? That would, seemingly, be a no - at least based on other threads. Cheers, Badeskov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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