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Our military was defenseless against weather balloons in that era. We reversed-engineered balsa wood from the ones that crashed.

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And every young boy in the fifties flew the ultra top secret Balsa Wood Alien created Aircraft,Built by Gallows I think was there cover company ?

They Flew into the Fermage and off into history !

many,Many Movies were made because of these Brave Avaition Pioneers !

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Roswell: Col.Blanchard, commander at the only nuclear-armed base in the world, issues a Press Release stating: "Flying disk recovered" Why? To divert attention from the "secret" weather balloon crash? Trying to keep everything quiet by announcing they recovered a flying saucer? Doesn't make sense. Col. Blanchard was soon promoted to General.

Something like that anyway. The Air Force was using a natural acoustic tunnel effect found in the upper atmosphere to listen for Soviet nuclear tests. For some reason the armed forces chose to focus more on the growing Soviet nuclear arsenal than on invaders from space. Go figure.

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Interesting to note, that Dr. Hynek changed from a "skeptic" to a "believer". Position paper by Dr. Hynek >>> http://files.ncas.or...sium/hynek.html <<< more about Dr. Hynek >>> http://en.wikipedia...._United_Nations A brief excerpt from his Position Paper >> For these reasons I cannot dismiss the UFO phenomenon with a shrug. The "hard data" cases contain frequent allusions to recurrent kinematic, geometric, and luminescent characteristics. I have begun to feel that there is a tendency in 20th-century science to forget that there will be a 21st-century science, and indeed, a 30th-century science, from which vantage points our knowledge of the universe may appear quite different. We suffer perhaps, from temporal provincialism, a form of arrogance that has always irritated posterity.

J. ALLEN HYNEK,

Dearborn Observatory, Northwestern University, Evanston, Ill.

You mean the swamp gas man? How can you believe someone who gave you swamp gas?? Good God man! You believers are such hypocrites!!!!!

You have UFO phenomena mixed up with "alien spaceship" As such, he did not become a "believer" any more than I am, that is just a twisted interpretation for the biased and skewed UFO websites that you and Zoser fawn over.

He also said UFO's were Ghosts, when speaking with Jerome Clark he allegedly stated that he believed “elementals”—nature spirits—were behind the UFO phenomenon. He said he did not believe they were "Nuts and bolts" craft from other worlds, and indeed went so far as to consider the claims of buzzings and continual soil to be supportive of the ETH, but against it. Then Hynek said in the Cincinnati Horizons Magazine of October 1975: (If we were to be space visitors) "We might condition them slowly, make appearances, and do strange things...But we surely wouldn't travel the great distance involved to do prankish things like stopping cars and frightening animals. It would make no sense."

He then repeated this conviction when our good friend Ian Ridpath, who resolved the RendleSHAM case for us interviewed him for the October 4, 1975 issue of Nature :

Hynek: "It seems ridiculous that any intelligence would come from such great distortions to do reportedly stupid things like stopping cars and frightening people. And there are too many reports."

You are out of your depth, not sure why you seem to think you have it all figured out when you don't even know any detail with regards to the very basics with regards to the subject.

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Roswell: Col.Blanchard, commander at the only nuclear-armed base in the world, issues a Press Release stating: "Flying disk recovered" Why?

Why not? As the official transcripts noted, the "DISK" was suspended by a balloon, and as balloons do not do well in space, the DISK was very earthly in nature.

If they had recovered and Alien Spaceship why not say "Alien Ship" or "Interplanetary craft"? Why use a meteorological term?

Now if your whacky theory held any weight at all, why do people like Haut claim it was not a disk at all, but egg shaped?

To divert attention from the "secret" weather balloon crash?

Quite possibly, a most intriguing hypothesis that seems impossible to falsify, in fact I suggest you and your chum Zoser try to break it. Bet you cannot.

Do you understand the role of military Intelligence?

Trying to keep everything quiet by announcing they recovered a flying saucer?

Best place to hide a tree is in the forrest.

Doesn't make sense.

What does not make sense is the many civilians who claim to have witnessed the debris field, and the very fact that not a single one of them picked up and pocketed a single scrap of debris. I would have, and so would every single person I know.

Col. Blanchard was soon promoted to General.

Which means what exactly? Why would he not be? That is the point of a military career is it not? Are you trying to say that when people are promoted it means Aliens have landed?

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Laughable, but so damn typical of the military mindset. Standard Modus Operandi. :tu:

Feel free to go ahead and explain BR. Come on mate, if it is so laughable, show us how when and why.

Fact is, you do not have a clue really do you?

You are just an Alex Jones fanboy, nothing more. You say you were in the military, but considering your mundane rants that you pass of as posting, I honestly doubt that is true as well. You do not seem to possess enough knowledge to have accomplished that which you say you do.

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Lol at the US still trying to claim ''weather balloon'' it still cracks me up anytime I hear it. They may as well just show us some dead aliens because it will come up eventually and it's not like other countries can steal advanced technology from the picture of a dead alien ... people just want a simple answer '' are we alone'' that is all ...

That makes no sense at all, how is "we are alone" with trillions of planets and the building blocks all over space? If we truly were to find out we are the sole life in the entire Universe, that would raise more questions than life on other planets would. Why is the Universe sterile except earth? I doubt that any sane person would consider that and easy out. "We are alone" is not a simple answer at all, it's harder to support than running with the statistic that life must exist due to numbers.

There are no dead aliens here on earth, that is fantasy borne from pop culture. You seem to be totally clueless with regards to space. I blame the documentaries myself. Whilst they are brilliant and informative, lazy minds cannot fathom the distances spoken of in these portrayals of space. Life being abundant does not mean it is going to be close enough for us to ever so much at be aware of, let alone contact.

If other countries knew the US had alien technology, nothing would stop them from getting at it. It would not remain a secret. We all know this, but so many refuse to acknowledge it, as it is yet another nail in the ETH coffin.

People like to mix science fiction with fact to realise fantasies, and think they are being intellectual. Funny that.

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More evidence that aliens have visited the earth than Jesus ever existed in fact there's more evidence that aliens have landed than O.J Simpsons apparent murder of his girlfriend.

Rubbish, at least 23 Jesus existed during the time frame depicted in the Bible, take your pick. None were from Nazareth though, and none have proof they were from divine birth, or Godly. Some of them preached though.

Evidence. Again, the ETH evasive tactic of trying to place a things that does not exist before others. Proof we need, go get some, evidence can be made up at the drop of a hat, that is why evidence has to be submitted for verification, unlike proof.

OJ had a good lawyer, that is what UFOlogy tries to be for the ETH, but like OJ and his tale, we can see the ETH is a load of codswallop even if it does have some people convinced. Lets face it, if up to a public forum like this, he would not be a free man would he.

And I'm guessing the government firing 1400 rounds at an unknown spacecraft was also a weather balloon? that cracked me up the most!

Why would anyone say such a thing unless attempting lousy humour at the expense of those whom are obviously superior academically and have provided solid answers that leave the losing party with no rebuttal.... ohh wait.

You can educate yourself on the case right here at UM, in particular, look out for the contributions by Lost Shaman. The level of technology man had back in the day is more than surprising.

Why do you feel that had to be ET? Who saw anything confirmed, let alone something that came from space? As far as I know, with all the RADAR tracks we have, not a single UFO has ever been tracked heading for, or coming from space, so according to RADAR, UFO's originate, and stay right here in earth.

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I can't give the link from my phone but its been tested and it has unknown components. I'll get the link tomorrow.

Yawn.

It's going to be Bob Whites Aluminium Pine Cone again isn't it?

That's a lump of foundry slag, not a bit of spaceship.

I hope it is Frank Kimbler again, he has been away for ages, plenty of questions from his last round of BS still waiting for him.

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Don't forget swamp gas.

J allen Hynek's solution, what of it, can you tell me why it definitely does not explain a portion of the 1966 Michigan sightings? Hynek said about 100 of the claims seemed to describe swamp gas, but like a good ignorant redneck, these people who had asked a professional for answers, refused his answer for their fantasies.

That's something to be embarrassed about BR, not proud of. It's funny how believers make total fools of themselves when they think they are being cool and dismissive of critical thinkers!! It makes the believer look ten times the fool! The above comment indicates a UFO noob, someone who does not know squat about Hynek, and what he did for UFOlogy. That sort of small minded thinking was how Hynek first became jaded with the phenomena! You believers shot yourselves in the foot!!

Why do you feel indignant insistence is something to be proud of? It;s just a display of pig headedness.

Sometimes, the government says, when people observe strange aircraft, it's just swamp gas. And everybody knows the government always tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. :tu:

You seem to believe the Government people who say yes to the ETH with no questions asked, how do you make those evaluations BR if not personal bias.

And again, you assume the US Government is the only one in the world. Personally, I would not like to be a believer, far too limiting a mindset for me.

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kidding right?

McG was in a different league to posters I have seen in the last year or so.

Agreed. It is a crying shame that UFOlogy attracts the uninformed crackpots like flies to poo. Fine investigators such as yourself are too few and far between. Like S2F, I did not always agree with McGuff, but I did respect him.

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kidding right?

Right.

McG was in a different league to posters I have seen in the last year or so.

He certainly had a good imagination.

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Roswell: Col.Blanchard, commander at the only nuclear-armed base in the world, issues a Press Release stating: "Flying disk recovered" Why? To divert attention from the "secret" weather balloon crash? Trying to keep everything quiet by announcing they recovered a flying saucer? Doesn't make sense. Col. Blanchard was soon promoted to General.

Blanchard wasn't a field man... it could be as simple as Marcel phoning him while he was sitting at his desk at the base, and telling him he had found a disk at Brazel's ranch. Because of the press interest he released that statement via his press officer after talking to Marcel on the phone.

The Roswell disk story was quickly retracted and substituted for the weather balloon story as though Blanchard shouldn't have released it, as though there may be something to cover up. If this were true, and Blanchard had made such a monumental c***-up he probably wouldn't have been rewarded soon after with a significant promotion.

The weather balloon story fitted the pictures and was as close to Mogul balloon string as he could report.

Did anyone ever find out what Cavitt had to say about it... he inspected the original wreckage too didn't he?

I've said it before but I'll repeat it here... what I think kills the Roswell story as being anything extraterrestrial is Brazel's description of the debris, and the timeline. He discovered the wreckage on June 14th... three weeks before he returned on July 2nd with Wilcox and Co to inspect it. How awe-inspiring could it have been, that he left it for three weeks before inspecting it. And he is obviously describing debris from a Mogul balloon string. Some suggest he was 'got-at' and fed this story by the military... but it's unlikely the military would get him to describe the components of one of their (at that time) current projects, secret or otherwise.

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Blanchard wasn't a field man... it could be as simple as Marcel phoning him while he was sitting at his desk at the base, and telling him he had found a disk at Brazel's ranch. Because of the press interest he released that statement via his press officer after talking to Marcel on the phone.

The Roswell disk story was quickly retracted and substituted for the weather balloon story as though Blanchard shouldn't have released it, as though there may be something to cover up. If this were true, and Blanchard had made such a monumental c***-up he probably wouldn't have been rewarded soon after with a significant promotion.

The weather balloon story fitted the pictures and was as close to Mogul balloon string as he could report.

Did anyone ever find out what Cavitt had to say about it... he inspected the original wreckage too didn't he?

I've said it before but I'll repeat it here... what I think kills the Roswell story as being anything extraterrestrial is Brazel's description of the debris, and the timeline. He discovered the wreckage on June 14th... three weeks before he returned on July 2nd with Wilcox and Co to inspect it. How awe-inspiring could it have been, that he left it for three weeks before inspecting it. And he is obviously describing debris from a Mogul balloon string. Some suggest he was 'got-at' and fed this story by the military... but it's unlikely the military would get him to describe the components of one of their (at that time) current projects, secret or otherwise.

Again, not a simple weather balloon. The balloon version does match exactly the Brazel account of the debris.

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Right.

He certainly had a good imagination.

No it was more than that. His speciality concerned US cases particularly ones with military connections from the 1940's to 1960's.

In that field he was head and shoulders above anyone here on UM.

Again, not a simple weather balloon. The balloon version does match exactly the Brazel account of the debris.

More importantly the weather balloon in no way tallies with the many witness accounts.

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No it was more than that. His speciality concerned US cases particularly ones with military connections from the 1940's to 1960's.

In that field he was head and shoulders above anyone here on UM.

Any pro UFO proponent that knows their stuff must seem like a God to you. No he was not head and shoulders above others, that is simply yet another poor evaluation, Sky had much more military background and information, Qullius is a better investigator for fine detail, each person has their field of expertise, you have none in this field so everyone must seem amazing to you, and this probably explains why you fear me so. Compared to you, pretty much everyone seems an expert. McG was interested in Menger's activities and was also quite a fan of Dolan, so his expertise was not as limited as you make out. Where he seemed to have a good handle was research in the field, being quite aware of pretty much every scientist that has ever glanced at the subject.

More importantly the weather balloon in no way tallies with the many witness accounts.

Yes it does, read it again, in fact Brazel's original description is pretty much spot on. You might want to educate yourself a tad and Google Irving Newton too.

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Again, not a simple weather balloon. The balloon version does match exactly the Brazel account of the debris.

As I said above, the weather balloon story fitted the pictures and was as close to Mogul balloon string as he could report. He couldn't stand up and say it was a 600ft long balloon string for carrying sensitive electronic instruments high into the stratosphere for detecting Soviet missile launches and potential nuclear weapons testing.

That would have attracted a lot of the wrong kind of attention.

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As I said above, the weather balloon story fitted the pictures and was as close to Mogul balloon string as he could report. He couldn't stand up and say it was a 600ft long balloon string for carrying sensitive electronic instruments high into the stratosphere for detecting Soviet missile launches and potential nuclear weapons testing.

That would have attracted a lot of the wrong kind of attention.

Then the bodies? Let me guess; dummies.

LOL

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Then the bodies? Let me guess; dummies.

LOL

Luckily the bodies were not there until 1978 so they did not have to worry about them.

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Luckily the bodies were not there until 1978 so they did not have to worry about them.

I challenge anyone to find any kind of reference to 'bodies' in the original Roswell documentation. It's just not there. Why then should the claims of bodies, alien or otherwise, recovered at Roswell even be taken slightly seriously?

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I challenge anyone to find any kind of reference to 'bodies' in the original Roswell documentation. It's just not there. Why then should the claims of bodies, alien or otherwise, recovered at Roswell even be taken slightly seriously?

Of course not. They were crash test dummies. :ph34r:
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More importantly the weather balloon in no way tallies with the many witness accounts.

It matches the accounts recorded prior to 1978, and that is what is important.

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I challenge anyone to find any kind of reference to 'bodies' in the original Roswell documentation. It's just not there. Why then should the claims of bodies, alien or otherwise, recovered at Roswell even be taken slightly seriously?

Yeah but the real story is far less interesting than the made-up one. Plus the real one does not allow for enough government hating.

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Best not go there ! Tell`s self Its all in the way that you count your penny`s ! :tu:

P.S. psyche101 WHen you get to Texas we are going to Roswell,Its part of the Tour ! B.B.Q & Steaks Incld !

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There is a historical context for the Roswell event... the "modern" UFO era began with the Kenneth Arnold sighting/report >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting << just a few weeks before the Roswell "crash". There were many sightings that year; 1947. So, the Roswell event did not occur a vacuum. Something crashed, let's say a TOP SECRET weather balloon... now to keep folks from asking to many questions about the wreckage, base commander Col. Blanchard issues a press release announcing that the Army "has recovered a flying disk". Announcing a "recovered disk" in the wake of an intense national interest in the UFO phenomenon guaranteed a wide public response; not exactly the way to quell public inquiries. And the world WAS suddenly very interested. But then... "No, it was only a weather balloon." Why not say it was a weather balloon in the first place?

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