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Global Warming Total Fraud

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""Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/dana-rohrabacher-global-warming_n_3743390.html

How is it that people who apparently cannot seem to grasp science are on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology? Also why are they listening to Alex Jones?

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Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology

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How is it that people who apparently cannot seem to grasp science are on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology?

Exactly what are your science credentials? Or do you just blindly believe what men you will never meet write in books that you will never read?

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Watch Chasing Ice the documentary first, second my best friend is a science teacher with a degree in Environmental Studies, we talk often on global warming and I have seen the mountain of evidence that proves it is real. Secondly no one needs credentials to educate yourself on the subject, just read the information and it is quite clear. To expect that someone on a committee would have a grasp of what that committee is about isn't too much to ask for either. Most other GOP leaders have admitted they get global warming is real, however a few ignorant, paranoid individuals want to grasp at conspiracy theories and that's fine but they certainly do not belong on a committee making decisions about science they apparently cannot or will not understand.

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Whether or not the wildfires raging in the western U.S. or the periodic droughts in the eastern part of the country are indications of climate change, it's too early to tell.However the increasing speed at which the polar ice caps are melting is very strong evidence of Global Warming, which will in time precipitate Climate Change.No matter what your agenda is on this matter the science is easy to understand.

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There is plenty of evidence of global warming, and the opposition to it is basically political.

I mainly blame the political left and especially the extremists of the environmental movement for the present denial movement seen on the right. People like Al Gore made their careers and wealth out of exaggerating it and the Democrats regularly thump the most fearsome predictions for votes. Now we have a predictable reaction. Global warming is seen as an excuse for government controls and socialism. There are free-enterprise ways to tackle the problem too.

In the meantime the danger increases.

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The whole global warming fiasco makes me sick! Who gives a **** if the earth is warming or not? Seriously the whole conversation does nothing but create confusion, fear and anger. More and more "mainstream" or "accredited" or "published" or whatever quantifiable factor the believers insist one lives up to in order to have an opinion are coming out with convincing arguments and evidences that global warming in fact ISNT happening. Which does nothing but muddy the waters even more.

Shop locally, reduce, reuse, recycle and be conscientious in your everyday living and the problem will solve itself.....keep hating those with differing opinions, keep demanding outrageous legislation , or the lack of any regulation at all and the earth will die while we're all too busy yelling at each other to ACTUALLY do anything about it.

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Why do the wildfires in the west have ANYTHING to do with global warming? Ever been to Palm Springs or Prescott, THEYRE IN THE FREAKING DESERT. Oh and its SUMMER in the desert where everything is hot and dry.....until monsoon season when the lightning from approaching storms causes a spark and poof you have fire.

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Interesting rant. The problem is that those few of us who have made changes in our lifestyle are too few and even if everybody did, it would not be enough. The warming is going to happen; how much we don't know for sure although we have good estimates. The main consequence is going to be the submergence of some major coastal populations. This will tend to happen suddenly in storms so there will be lives lost.

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It has never been a question of whether or not global warming exists. It quite obviously does. The question is, is it anthropomorphic? Man does effect his environment but to what degree does he really effect it? Enough to change major cycles? For us to think so is about as arrogant as Man thinking that the Earth was the center of the universe just a few hundred years ago.

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Interesting rant. The problem is that those few of us who have made changes in our lifestyle are too few and even if everybody did, it would not be enough. The warming is going to happen; how much we don't know for sure although we have good estimates. The main consequence is going to be the submergence of some major coastal populations. This will tend to happen suddenly in storms so there will be lives lost.

Even your post is open to and maybe even cause for debate:

Why do we know the warming is going to happen? Why do we know this is a bad thing if it does happen? If it does happen is it just a continuing re-balance from the little ice age?

When all of that can be avoided by (in my opinion) relabeling the conversation. Regardless of scientific veracity Global Warming as a term is a lost cause

I guess all of that is what inspired my rant. Thanks

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I (as a science minded Conservative and Christian) do believe in Climate Change. But, I do also believe that the effects and impact so far is up to some debate. But, regardless we need to start doing something about it. It is not a discussion of if it is happening. It was happening anyway/already. What is needed is a discussion of how fast things will change and what we will do about it.

Personnally I feel that a major engineering work could easily put particles, or water, or some other substance/chemical into the upper atmosphere to counter the warming/change. Or, doing something to cool large stretches of ocean by one degree would also work. These are very workable solutions, but are just going to be monsterously expensive financially.

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That the warming is anthropomorphic is a reasonable connection with the fact that CO2 levels are increasing and are lab demonstrated to be a potent greenhouse gas and that the only source of this CO2 is us.

I think flooding major cities and river deltas is a bad thing.

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He is probably getting tired of everything from hail to arson-based wildfires being blamed on AGW.

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The cheapest solution is to go nuclear, supplemented by solar and a little by the other technologies that get so my hype. CO2 extraction out of the air may be resorted to as an emergency measure if the warming turns out to be worse than now expected.

Day to day events may have to do with global warming, but at this point only on the fringes.

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Consider this scenario: When the polar ice melts away( which it is at a much accelerated rate than a natural cycle) the cooler ocean waters will interrupt the ocean temperature conveyor systems like the Gulf Stream, vastly affecting the prime agricultural regions on earth. Famine and disease will impact everyone.

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Does anyone know what companies Rep. Dana Rohrabacher holds shares in? My guess is he owns some that might not benefit from regulations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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How is it that people who apparently cannot seem to grasp science are on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology? Also why are they listening to Alex Jones?

And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

"One must say clearly that we want to redistribute the world`s wealh by climate policy".

(Ottmar Edenhofer, United Nations IPCC)

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And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

And your idea of "science" is perhaps listening to someone who most likely can’t pass a high school science literacy test.

I don’t think “they” called it global warming in the first place. It was the news and opinion article that termed it global warming not scientist. This is like saying that scientist stopped calling the higgs boson particle, the god particle; they never did in the first place. Now scientist may have started referring to climate change as global warming because the idiot people had no idea what the scientist were talking about if they didn’t.

Science is science and should be left to real scientist who don’t have a political agenda.

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And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

"One must say clearly that we want to redistribute the world`s wealh by climate policy".

(Ottmar Edenhofer, United Nations IPCC)

That it is a link from Huffington Post doesn't negate the statement he made, it was on video. He said it and meant it so where it came from is moot. The only folks who believe in an offset carbon tax scheme by All Gore can be directly traced to Alex Jones and he isn't a scientist. Here is the original article with original wording exposing that countries that are growing economically like India are still not attempting to find alternate clean energy sources and are heavily relying on coal and other CO2 heavy fossil fuels. Its easy to twist things you don't bother to read for yourself and just believe some conspiracy theory. The truth is I listen to Alex Jones and he's a master at only paying attention to what he THINKS the truth is not the facts of the actual story.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/ipcc-official-%E2%80%9Cclimate-policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%E2%80%9D/

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This is one issue that I part company with most, perhaps all other Pagans on. Global warming is indeed a fraud, in the sense that there is no good evidence that humans are causing, and some very convincing evidence that similar, and even greater levels of warming have happened in the past as part of the natural cycles of the earth and sun. The medieval warming period is one example often cited, but much better than this is the Bronze Age, during which it was so much warmer that areas of the British Isles that, even today, are boggy wastelands, were under intense cultivation, full of species that couldn't live here any more.

Global warming is also a fraud in another sense, a literal fraud, with its proponents fudging and making up data to suit their agenda, as has been proven in a number of cases now. The motivation is also clear, because funding soon dries up to any scientist who dare to deny global warming.

The fundamental prerequisites of life are heat and water. So why is it regarded as a bad thing if we become warmer and wetter? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Having said all of the above I am, most certainly, an environmentalist.

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What is needed is a discussion of how fast things will change and what we will do about it.

What we could do about it is just be better custodians of the planet. We can also learn how to adapt to Gaia and her cycles. Pull back coastal communities or develop domed cities in those areas. Enclose estuaries. There are all sorts of things like this that can be done rather than pouring trillions down the drain trying to prevent something that we can’t. We have the technology to engineer our existence rather than something on the level of terra-forming (i.e. we’re not even yet a Type I Civilization).

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......) the cooler ocean waters will interrupt the ocean temperature conveyor systems like the Gulf Stream, ......

it has already happened

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The "Natural Cycles" argument is a convenient cop out which allows people to ignore the reality without actually explaining what is happening. Nothing is without cause and there is no such thing as a causeless natural cycle.

Br Cornelius

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Nothing is without cause and there is no such thing as a causeless natural cycle.

Br Cornelius

that is retarded, earth goes thru cycles for millions of years, regardless of humans. it is a fact.

there is a cause , but apperantly too complex for you to grasp, since you can't phantom that humans are not the only force on earth.

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