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raising minimum wage does not reduce poverty

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Rasing minimum wage does increase poverty levels and number of people below the poverty line.

Why is this, you ask. Because prices have to go up to cover the new wage. Plus, those who didn't get a pay raise have just received a pay cut, do to the increase in prices.

Mcdonalds use to sell a double cheese burger, two patties and two slices of cheese. Now they sell a mcdouble, with only one slice of cheese. Serjento cheese keeps reducing the size of their cheese sizes, but sell the same number of slices. Both of hese are examples of price increases.

The only way to raise people above poverty, is job creation. Which this president doesn't want to happen. In fact with obama care th number of people below poverty will double(my opinion). Mainly do to so many jobs being reduced to 29.5 hours a week.

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Common sense

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The only ones who benafit from it are the politicians, makes them look like they care, and unions so they can get pay raises for their members. So companies have to ship more jobs over seas, this is not what the unions want, but they are the ones causing

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Daniel, this is common sense to you and I. The numbskulls at Walmart and fast food chains who think life will be easier for them seriously do not realize that the price of everyday things will rise accordingly. Why wouldn't they? They may ask, why should they? Why would they ask that? Because they have been fed class warfare bs and think the employer will eat the cost. At the very least they think the employer should eat the cost. The kicker though is the unions who are behind this, especially where Walmart is concerned. The unions would have these folks believe that they care about them and their 'living wage'. It is obvious to anyone aware of the dubious concerns of the unions that all they want is the union dues. I can't blame them in a way. They're greedy as any CEO and Walmart is the worlds largest employer and this countries largest employer next to the federal government. That's a lot of union dues. That's also a lot of money that'll get kicked back to democrat politicians. So it's quite obvious that democrats are in the bag for this type of thing because not only is that a lot of potential lobby/bribe money but it is also a heck of a lot of potential democrat voters that'll get the union newsletters praising their progressive asses for backing their 'living wage'.

If it all goes through you can bet these employees are protesting their asses right of of a job in the future for many reasons obvious to those with the slightest business sense.

And that is how this story goes.

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Numbskulls might be a bit harsh but they sure are useful somethings.

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If you want to get out of poverty then get a job at somewhere other than McDonalds. If people would continue to search until they found better employment than working at a fast food hamburger place then their wages would increase. Not only this but if enough people found other employment then McDonalds would be required to increase their pay in order to get employees. People allow themselves to get crapped on and wonder why things smell so bad.

As others have stated, this is not the way for you to get extra spendable money.

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The only way to raise people above poverty, is job creation. Which this president doesn't want to happen.

Because the president doesn't want to help the nation's economy. That makes tons of sense. :rolleyes:

I love how you state that as if it's an absolute fact, like "the sky is blue", "rain is wet", "the president doesn't want that to happen". I didn't realize you were one of his most trusted advisers, privy to his every thought and belief.

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Don't be so sure. You can't have job creation when you stifle large industries with promises of bankruptcy and vetoes and moratoriums and strangling EPA regulations and high taxes. You can't create small business jobs with a never ending roll of red tape.

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Keeping the minimum wage low does hurt people. There are a lot of expenses that are not tied to wages. Rent, morgages, gas, electricity, auto insurance, car payments. Do you really think someone working for a minimum wage of $7.00 and hour is better off than someeone working for a minimum wage of $8.00 and hour?

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But government fixing prices for us then in turn invites government to start tinkering with wages too. All the partisan whining about the minimum wage goes against their primary implication made in arguing for every new federal spending program administered to the economy to help make things more affordable -- there's no inflation! If there was no inflation, wages would stay flat, the national standard of living would not go down, and we'd all still be making $5.25/hour even in good paying jobs.

Of course we had to be politically correct enough to require everyone to work, which means a lot less time for parenting, which means a lot less "giving a damn" for parents out there, which introduces all kinds of new excuses for even more federal intervention into our lives. Sex ed for five year-olds comes to mind. And that full employment in the 1950s which was really around 50% employment now has to pull more than 95% employment or everyone gets panicky that government isn't doing enough.

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The cost of living going up continually while wages do not keep pace does not reduce poverty

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The cost of living going up continually while wages do not keep pace does not reduce poverty

Its happening in every sector of business. Your complaint lies with the increase of the money supply in relation to money in circulation. The minimum wage law is simply a symptom of gov failure to protect the purchasing power of its currency.

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Most countries have minimum wage and other labor laws, as a reflection of the desire to prevent exploitation of people who don't have some ability to quit and find another job.

However, it can be overdone and end up destroying jobs and doing the opposite of what it is intended for. It takes a pragmatic approach and considerable study to properly set such a number, something that politicians are ill-suited for -- another weakness of so-called democracies.

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A considerable amount of study by people risking their own time and money to find out what the market thinks of their idea so real demand exists for that need to be met, yeah.

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Not much building construction going on at this time in the US where jobs for carpenters, welders, pipe fitters, heavy crane operators, pile drivers etc. is concerned. All the above are union trades, unfortunately since theirs not too much happening out there, the unions are basically looking at anything, even if it means going into the fast food sector which are considered entry level jobs, or jobs for students while attending college. It's not the union dues where the unions are making money, but with the investments of money invested in 401ks and retirement plans. It's usually the financial agent that administers and oversees these accounts. Even the middle class is slowly falling away....

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Unions try to monopolize the labor force for a given industry and thereby push wages in that industry above the value the workers add. This of course brings in non-union competition, so the unions use political pressure to create a legal structure prevent this. This then brings in foreign competition, so the unions use political pressure to create trade barriers. In the end the union members get destroyed economically by this cycle, because in the end technology and enterprise find ways around union power -- either that or the industry just dies because it prices itself out of afford ability.

An exception is government unions, who can also use political pressure to raise taxes to keep their situation.

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Unions try to monopolize the labor force for a given industry and thereby push wages in that industry above the value the workers add. This of course brings in non-union competition, so the unions use political pressure to create a legal structure prevent this. This then brings in foreign competition, so the unions use political pressure to create trade barriers. In the end the union members get destroyed economically by this cycle, because in the end technology and enterprise find ways around union power -- either that or the industry just dies because it prices itself out of afford ability.

An exception is government unions, who can also use political pressure to raise taxes to keep their situation.

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Let's not forget that before unions people worked long hours for very little pay often in unsafe conditions and were dismissed for little or no cause and had no benefits such as retirement and insurance. Perhaps unions have overstepped but I think, in general they have done much to improve the lives of working people

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Let's not forget that before unions people worked long hours for very little pay often in unsafe conditions and were dismissed for little or no cause and had no benefits such as retirement and insurance. Perhaps unions have overstepped but I think, in general they have done much to improve the lives of working people

Yes but Unions are not the problem. It is a symptom of a much greater issue. Inflation.

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Let's not forget that before unions people worked long hours for very little pay often in unsafe conditions and were dismissed for little or no cause and had no benefits such as retirement and insurance. Perhaps unions have overstepped but I think, in general they have done much to improve the lives of working people

I think unions take credit for what happened naturally as technology improved productive capacity and thereby permitted workers to get more pay. If anything unions tended to prevent such progress.

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Rasing minimum wage does increase poverty levels and number of people below the poverty line.

Why is this, you ask. Because prices have to go up to cover the new wage. Plus, those who didn't get a pay raise have just received a pay cut, do to the increase in prices.

Mcdonalds use to sell a double cheese burger, two patties and two slices of cheese. Now they sell a mcdouble, with only one slice of cheese. Serjento cheese keeps reducing the size of their cheese sizes, but sell the same number of slices. Both of hese are examples of price increases.

The only way to raise people above poverty, is job creation. Which this president doesn't want to happen. In fact with obama care th number of people below poverty will double(my opinion). Mainly do to so many jobs being reduced to 29.5 hours a week.

Prices have already gone up, Daniel, since the recession. Food wasn't as expensive as it is now, before then. That's partly why some low income wage earners, who work for a living, are on foodstamps, they can hardly afford the food prices of today with the current minimum wage of yesterday. Raise the minimum wage level and we will have less people on foodstamps, it's just that simple. And there will always be at least some poverty in this country, the ideals and beliefs behind capitalism does not guarantee 100% non-poverty for every single person in this country. Some haft to to take the hit of being the poor, in order for the system to work for others on their way to the top, there will never be enough jobs for every single individual in this country.

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Yes but Unions are not the problem. It is a symptom of a much greater issue. Inflation.

Continuing to band-aid over the problems that government creates helps keep it in business.

Inflation is really the true culprit underneath. But unfortunately, it's a political windfall to have the "raise the minimum wage!" issue come up every other election cycle. It's a great way for government to not and say it did. Unfortunately the helpful nature of these politics to the politicians means it'll be like performing root canals trying to get rid of them.

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I think unions take credit for what happened naturally as technology improved productive capacity and thereby permitted workers to get more pay. If anything unions tended to prevent such progress.

I completely disagree.Companies resisted change brought about by unions at every turn. Without unions things like overtime for over 40 hours and retirement plans would never have happened.People forget how deplorable conditions for workers were before unions. Now even non-union workers enjoy benefits won through hard struggles by unions and even violence against union members
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Continuing to band-aid over the problems that government creates helps keep it in business.

Inflation is really the true culprit underneath. But unfortunately, it's a political windfall to have the "raise the minimum wage!" issue come up every other election cycle. It's a great way for government to not and say it did. Unfortunately the helpful nature of these politics to the politicians means it'll be like performing root canals trying to get rid of them.

I can agree inflation is the culprit but why must workers be the ones who suffer? I made as much money or more in the eighty's than I do today while the cost of living has skyrocketed.It seems today everything is rigged so the investor class can gain more and more profit while wage earners work two jobs and can't make ends meet Edited by spacecowboy342

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Unions in the states have been the subject of coordinated propaganda campaigns by corporate interests. The demonetization of unions is a national sport, part and parcel of the great American dream/corporate nightmare.

The mark doesn't even realise they have been hit.

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