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Morgellons conspiracy

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Medicine called it Delusional parasitosis. Yet in wiki we can read this:

Randy Wymore, a former research director of the MRF and presently director of the Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences' Center for the Investigation of Morgellons Disease, claims that Morgellons patients have submitted masses of dark fibers visible at 60x magnification under the unbroken skin, while unaffected individuals do not.[3] Wymore sent samples of fibers, none of which was collected by biopsy, to the Police Crime Lab in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for analysis. A forensic scientist at the Tulsa Police Crime Lab in Oklahoma searched the FBI's national database, but the Morgellons sample did not match any known fiber in the database.[31] Lab director Mark Boese said the fibers were "consistent with something that the body may be producing," adding, "These fibers cannot be manmade and do not come from a plant. This could be a byproduct of a biological organism."[31]

Conversely, in Wymore's further studies of the fibers, none of the samples he has sent to the laboratory have been unusual. Laboratory results have included nylon, cotton, human hair, a fungal fiber and a rodent hair.[32]

Dermatologists say many fibers are from clothing embedded in self-imposed sores and the fibers patients bring in bags are textile in nature.[10][33] The fibers may also be peripheral nerve endings.[30]

Although it has been suggested by Morgellons advocacy websites that Morgellons is related to an infectious disease, such as a tick-borne disease or from plants, these claims have not been substantiated by available evidence or corroborated by physicians independent of these advocacy websites.[34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons

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I saw that on Ancient Aliens. Really freaked me out.... :(

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http://www.psycholog...gellons-mystery

Please read this article.

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Good article! :tu:

It showed both sides of the argument quite well. But, that is true, until a couple of years ago fibromyalgia didn't exist, doctors said it was all in their heads. And lo and behold, they finally say it is a legitimate illness.... They even have medications for it now. I hope they can figure out what this is. Nothing worse then being in pain or suffering and not having anyone believe you. :(

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So why is this in CT?

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So why is this in CT?

Apparently anything that BBV doesn't understand, finds confusing or purposely misinterprets is a conspiracy.... :rolleyes:

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Medicine called it Delusional parasitosis. Yet in wiki we can read this:

Randy Wymore, a former research director of the MRF and presently director of the Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences' Center for the Investigation of Morgellons Disease, claims that Morgellons patients have submitted masses of dark fibers visible at 60x magnification under the unbroken skin, while unaffected individuals do not.[3] Wymore sent samples of fibers, none of which was collected by biopsy, to the Police Crime Lab in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for analysis. A forensic scientist at the Tulsa Police Crime Lab in Oklahoma searched the FBI's national database, but the Morgellons sample did not match any known fiber in the database.[31] Lab director Mark Boese said the fibers were "consistent with something that the body may be producing," adding, "These fibers cannot be manmade and do not come from a plant. This could be a byproduct of a biological organism."[31]

Conversely, in Wymore's further studies of the fibers, none of the samples he has sent to the laboratory have been unusual. Laboratory results have included nylon, cotton, human hair, a fungal fiber and a rodent hair.[32]

Dermatologists say many fibers are from clothing embedded in self-imposed sores and the fibers patients bring in bags are textile in nature.[10][33] The fibers may also be peripheral nerve endings.[30]

Although it has been suggested by Morgellons advocacy websites that Morgellons is related to an infectious disease, such as a tick-borne disease or from plants, these claims have not been substantiated by available evidence or corroborated by physicians independent of these advocacy websites.[34]

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Morgellons

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LOL at what the dermitologist says, But this is a real thing and it looks terrifying

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So why is this in CT?

This thread, most likely would have been put into the Conspiracy Theory section. Just saying....

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This thread, most likely would have been put into the Conspiracy Theory section. Just saying....

Why? What's the conspiracy?

If you actually read the rest of the Wiki article (that BBV once again neglects to mention purposely leaves out) you'll see the results of the peer-reviewed CDC study released in 2012

In June 2007, the CDC opened a website on "Unexplained Dermopathy (aka 'Morgellons')".[7] By November 2007, the CDC had announced an investigation process, stating that, "The primary goals of the investigation are to better describe the clinical and epidemiologic features of this condition and to generate hypotheses about possible risk factors."[7] Kaiser Permanente in Northern California was chosen to assist with the investigation, which began after the scientific protocols and review board structure had been prepared and approved. Investigators planned to report on the geographic distribution of the illness, and estimate rates of illness in affected communities. The investigation involved skin biopsies from affected patients, and characterization of foreign material such as fibers or threads obtained from patients to determine their potential source.[7][60] In January 2008 it was reported that the CDC was enlisting the aid of the U.S. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and the American Academy of Dermatology "to conduct 'immediate' and 'rigorous' research."[61]

On 4 November 2009, the CDC issued a preliminary report based on an external peer review of the project.[62] As of 24 March 2011 the CDC said "We recently completed the data analysis. A final report has been submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal."[63]

On 25 January 2012 the CDC released the results of the study finding no infectious or environmental links.[8][9] The study consisted of skin biopsies, blood tests, and interviews of over 100 Morgellons patients, and yielded no evidence of an infection (bacterial, fungal, or otherwise) or common environmental factor causing the problems.[8] Laboratory analysis of the threads found by participants revealed nothing unusual, but consisted of cotton and other materials likely to be found in clothing.[8] The researchers could not find any explanation for sensations participants reported under their skin and suggested these could be “delusional infestation,” wherein people falsely believe their bodies are being invaded by small organisms.[8][9] Various Morgellons groups responded to the results of the studies by saying it confirmed their expectations that the government-run study is trying to cover up larger issues.[9]

And there's also information on a study done by the Mayo Clinic

A study of 108 persons identified with delusional skin infestation, including persons with Morgellons, examined between 2001 and 2007 at the Mayo Clinic was published in Archives of Dermatology on May 16, 2011. The study did not find evidence of skin infestation despite examination of specimens provided by the patients and study of skin biopsies of study participants. The authors concluded the study results were consistent with the participant's original diagnosis of delusional infestation. They reported that about two thirds of the skin biopsies showed dermatitis, and stated that the skin condition and resultant distress might play a role in the patient's delusional or "false belief their skin is infested by pathogens".[64][65]

The only conspiracy here is that of willful ignorance, confirmation bias and cherry picking of sources by BBV.

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Why? What's the conspiracy?

If you actually read the rest of the Wiki article (that BBV once again neglects to mention purposely leaves out) you'll see the results of the peer-reviewed CDC study released in 2012

And there's also information on a study done by the Mayo Clinic

The only conspiracy here is that of willful ignorance, confirmation bias and cherry picking of sources by BBV.

Cz

There's also the conspiracy that these "sufferers" are cray cray.

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It showed both sides of the argument quite well. But, that is true, until a couple of years ago fibromyalgia didn't exist, doctors said it was all in their heads.

And what would you know, that is still one of the causes.

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And what would you know, that is still one of the causes.

Fibromyalgia, is a real disease, not something that is "in people's heads"....

Link: http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/what-is-fibromyalgia

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibromyalgia

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Fibromyalgia, is a real disease, not something that is "in people's heads"....

Link: http://www.webmd.com...is-fibromyalgia

Link: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Fibromyalgia

And yet psychological factors are just that, in your head.

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So why is this in CT?

Because this is the science forum where everything is a conspiracy.

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until a couple of years ago fibromyalgia didn't exist, doctors said it was all in their heads.\

Well just because they were wrong once, doesn't mean that they're wrong here. It's the same argument used by people who believe in Nibiru "ohh astronomers were wrong about meteorites in space, therefore they're wrong about Nibiru!"

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Well just because they were wrong once, doesn't mean that they're wrong here. It's the same argument used by people who believe in Nibiru "ohh astronomers were wrong about meteorites in space, therefore they're wrong about Nibiru!"

I get what you're saying. But there are a lot of diseases out there, that at one time or another, were considered "all in their heads" by the scientific consesus of doctors. Who's to say that somewhere in the near future Morgellon's won't be considered a "real" disease....

There's a reason they call it "practicing medicine", folks. ;)

I just don't like it when people say a disease is "all in someone's head" just because the doctors can't figure it out.

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It is nanotechnology invasion of human body. Morgellons are nano tubes. In some sites it said that they carried changed DNA. Morgellons can selfreplicate. And they can connect into one. It is suggested that they used electric energy of body. There is theories of nano batteries. It is believed that they can recive EMF and ELF microwaves. Morgellons act like they possess group intelligence. Some fibres can stand temperature to 760 C. Fibres are fluorescent and they shine in dark. Imunity system will leave „disease“ completly at peace. Number of leukocytes in patients are normal. Which suggest that body dont react on it. It is recorded that when fibres are moved from patient and put in glass jar-in six hours fibres will climb to top of glass jar. Even trough ammonia. Morgellons dont kill people but kill reptiles and insects. Cats, dogs and horses are also contaminated. Last time I checked 60 000 people are proven to have Morgellons. Morgellons are not biotic origin. Its probably nanotechnology for tests to create super humans or is extraterrestial. Military purpose seems possible because of fast healing ability. Infected people claim that over wounds which was caused Morgellons creates like patch. Scientists for long now study Morgellons. Yet we see that is classifed as delusional parasitosis. Corparations as Cryolife have Bioglue product and similar. Cryolife reasearch regeneration and fast healing technolology.

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Fibromyalgia, is a real disease, not something that is "in people's heads"....

Link: http://www.webmd.com...is-fibromyalgia

Link: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Fibromyalgia

Science cant even conclude what cause IBS. So ofciurse they cant understand disease which for symptoms and results have something they cant grasp.

To built house you first must built foundations.

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It is nanotechnology invasion of human body. Morgellons are nano tubes. In some sites it said that they carried changed DNA. Morgellons can selfreplicate. And they can connect into one. It is suggested that they used electric energy of body. There is theories of nano batteries. It is believed that they can recive EMF and ELF microwaves. Morgellons act like they possess group intelligence. Some fibres can stand temperature to 760 C. Fibres are fluorescent and they shine in dark. Imunity system will leave „disease“ completly at peace. Number of leukocytes in patients are normal. Which suggest that body dont react on it. It is recorded that when fibres are moved from patient and put in glass jar-in six hours fibres will climb to top of glass jar. Even trough ammonia. Morgellons dont kill people but kill reptiles and insects. Cats, dogs and horses are also contaminated. Last time I checked 60 000 people are proven to have Morgellons. Morgellons are not biotic origin. Its probably nanotechnology for tests to create super humans or is extraterrestial. Military purpose seems possible because of fast healing ability. Infected people claim that over wounds which was caused Morgellons creates like patch. Scientists for long now study Morgellons. Yet we see that is classifed as delusional parasitosis. Corparations as Cryolife have Bioglue product and similar. Cryolife reasearch regeneration and fast healing technolology.

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You have provided no proof whatsoever for any of your claims here.

You're welcome to have your own opinions, but without proof, they are ONLY opinions, and are proof of NOTHING other than your willingness to remain ignorant of the topic(s) you discuss...

Cz

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According to Mike Stagman, PhD,

“Genetic Engineering is a nightmare technology that has already caused MANY disease epidemics — documented but unpublicized.”

http://www.globalres...ns-disease/8464

about Morgellons.

Here you can see pictures.

http://morgellonsexp.../YourPhotos.htm

Here you can see that they move (Bacillus subtilis macrofibres)

http://mic.sgmjourna...9/suppl/DC1?eaf

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How is this thread in Conspiracy subforum was question.

Well look at those pictures then look what medicine say on it.

That they are delusional. Even they can give you evidence they are not-

What also interesting that fibre escape often when they try to move it away. Like they know they were gonna be "abducted."

Some think that they use host sensing to know that.

Its possible that Morgellons are mutated fungus organism. From GMO perhaps. Atleast Green Peace and few PhDs think it.

Some say its nano technology.

Anyway science study Morgellons yet doctors say to patients that they are delusional.

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I guess we will see as one of these articles in future about Morgellons.

http://www.reuters.c...E6903RZ20101001

Crucial part is that Imunne system dont fight it. Number of leukocytes in patients are normal. But we know that when we have outside body in our bodies Leukocytes are higher.

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I get what you're saying. But there are a lot of diseases out there, that at one time or another, were considered "all in their heads" by the scientific consesus of doctors. Who's to say that somewhere in the near future Morgellon's won't be considered a "real" disease....

There's a reason they call it "practicing medicine", folks. ;)

I just don't like it when people say a disease is "all in someone's head" just because the doctors can't figure it out.

I totally agree with that statement, but I still fail to see why this is a conspiracy. Nevermind :), I'll ask BBV himself.

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How is this thread in Conspiracy subforum was question.

Well look at those pictures then look what medicine say on it.

That they are delusional. Even they can give you evidence they are not-

What also interesting that fibre escape often when they try to move it away. Like they know they were gonna be "abducted."

Some think that they use host sensing to know that.

Its possible that Morgellons are mutated fungus organism. From GMO perhaps. Atleast Green Peace and few PhDs think it.

Some say its nano technology.

Anyway science study Morgellons yet doctors say to patients that they are delusional.

Big Bad Voodoo

Yes, thank you BBV. I was one of those people that asked that question. But even after reading your reply I still fail to find the 'conspiracy' here.

I ask you:

1) What is the conspiracy?

2) Who is involved in the conspiracy?

3) Why are they involved in the conspiracy?

4) What do they have to gain from the conspiracy?

I know that you have also posted links which I have not yet read BBV. I'm bad that way.

But, you provide a short statement in broken English with a link to a website that I'm not about to plow through (for who knows how many pages) just so that I can figure out what you're talking about.

If you'll answer the above questions first, I'll be more than happy :), to read any links you provide.

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