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[Merged] Poll: 53% disapprove of ObamaCare

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The poll is pointless considering 98% of Americans have no clue what Obamacare actually is. 99% of Americans will tell you that Congress is "exempt", and that is wrong. If you are going to conduct a poll, you should at least make sure the people aren't full of misinformation.

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The poll is pointless considering 98% of Americans have no clue what Obamacare actually is. 99% of Americans will tell you that Congress is "exempt", and that is wrong. If you are going to conduct a poll, you should at least make sure the people aren't full of misinformation.

Over the last few months people have become experts on ObamaCare so they can learn how to

game the system. They don't want to rely on ObamaCare Navigators to explain it to them.

Democrat Max Baucus was right. This is going to be a train wreck.

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Spit out enough propaganda and everyone will eventually come around to your way of thinking, good job.

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The poll is pointless considering 98% of Americans have no clue what Obamacare actually is. 99% of Americans will tell you that Congress is "exempt", and that is wrong. If you are going to conduct a poll, you should at least make sure the people aren't full of misinformation.

And that is exactly the point, even those who are b****ing and moaning about it cannot explain exactly what they are b****ing and moaning about, except that it is "socialist"

And before all jump in about cost: There where the price catalogs have been finalized (i.e. New York State) the price of healthcare insurance will go down after Obamacare (I put up the corresponding thread weeks ago). And not just by a few pennies.

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Spit out enough propaganda and everyone will eventually come around to your way of thinking, good job.

Propaganda? The ObamaCare Navigators are ......real.

USA Today / Pew conducted the poll, not me.

53% of Americans Disapprove of ObamaCare. To make matters worse, the unions have been denied their sweetheart deal from the

White House! - Double Dipping -

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And that is exactly the point, even those who are b****ing and moaning about it cannot explain exactly what they are b****ing and moaning about, except that it is "socialist"

And before all jump in about cost: There where the price catalogs have been finalized (i.e. New York State) the price of healthcare insurance will go down after Obamacare (I put up the corresponding thread weeks ago). And not just by a few pennies.

ObamaCare will be repealed. America tried on a socialist suit and it didn't fit.

Repeal ObamaCare and replace it with a solution that includes - Tort Reform -.

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ObamaCare will be repealed. America tried on a socialist suit and it didn't fit.

Repeal ObamaCare and replace it with a solution that includes - Tort Reform -.

In plain English: You are against it because the Dems passed it despite being taken from the Republican recipe box. Rational explanation: none.

Thank you very much for being part of the problem that is destroying the country.

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In plain English: You are against it because the Dems passed it despite being taken from the Republican recipe box. Rational explanation: none.

Thank you very much for being part of the problem that is destroying the country.

In plain English: Nancy Pelosi failed to read the bill. Lets pass it so we can find out what's inside of it!

In plain English: Howard Dean has a problem with the Death Panel: iPAB

According to democrat Howard Dean iPAB will stop certain treatments by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

Take a pain pill, then go home and die!

Rationing

In plain English: Tort Reform was left out of ObamaCare because Obama is in bed with the trial lawyers.

In plain English: America is becoming a nation of part time workers. 28 hours or less and the company gets a pass.

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And here the complete results Mr. Ken is raving about, not quite as clear as he wants to make us beleive:

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Not as clear as he wants to make us believe, fact is that the majority don't know enough about it (and many could not care less as it is socialism) to even have a educated opinion.

Edit: and part 2 shows that many of those who disapprove don't want the law repealed, they want it to work better:

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Nothing to jump up and down about Mr. Ken. The best you can do is put some spin on it.

Have a nice day.

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And here the complete results Mr. Ken is raving about, not quite as clear as he wants to make us beleive:

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Not as clear as he wants to make us believe, fact is that the majority don't know enough about it (and many could not care less as it is socialism) to even have a educated opinion.

Yes, your best bet is to align yourself with - Low Information Americans -.

The smart ones can see the future train wreck.

BTW, thank you for confirming the number i posted! 53% Disapprove of ObamaCare.

Is it any wonder that many Americans have just given up and dropped out of the Labor Force?

Labor Force Participation Rate is at a 35 year low.

It won't be long before the Barbarians are at the gates of the White House.

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The biggest problem with "the lowering of costs" s that it is forcing "the young invincibles" to buy a product that they can barely afford or do not need. When I was in my twenties, I was a horse. I never got sick, I never went to the doctor for anything...I take that back, I got injured on the job once and had to get stitches...the company paid for it.

What cracks me up is the folks that are calling this "socialism"...it is NOT...this is Crony Capitalism at it's finest my friends. You are propping up one industry (the insurance companies) and their backers (the security exchanges of Wall Street).

What a great gig to have...have a corporation that sells a product the GOV demands that the public buy...nice deal if you can get one.

But it is not and isn't remotely close to socialized medicine. Socialized medicine might be inefficient in some people's eyes, but "profit and stockholders" are not part of the general equation...get your facts straight before you b!tch and look like a fool.

I am against the whole thing because I do not appreciate being told what I have to spend my hard earned money on...that is the biggest complaint I have...that is not freedom...sorry.

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Spit out enough propaganda and everyone will eventually come around to your way of thinking, good job.

Get enough Hollywood or network celebrities and NFL teams to endorse it, and it's a hell of a lot easier.

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Somebody watches too much FOX news! I find it funny when a "news" team can make up **** and get dumb asses like you to believe it!

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The biggest problem with "the lowering of costs" s that it is forcing "the young invincibles" to buy a product that they can barely afford or do not need. When I was in my twenties, I was a horse. I never got sick, I never went to the doctor for anything...I take that back, I got injured on the job once and had to get stitches...the company paid for it.

What cracks me up is the folks that are calling this "socialism"...it is NOT...this is Crony Capitalism at it's finest my friends. You are propping up one industry (the insurance companies) and their backers (the security exchanges of Wall Street).

What a great gig to have...have a corporation that sells a product the GOV demands that the public buy...nice deal if you can get one.

But it is not and isn't remotely close to socialized medicine. Socialized medicine might be inefficient in some people's eyes, but "profit and stockholders" are not part of the general equation...get your facts straight before you b!tch and look like a fool.

I am against the whole thing because I do not appreciate being told what I have to spend my hard earned money on...that is the biggest complaint I have...that is not freedom...sorry.

Yes, it is unamerican to point a gun at 20 something Americans and force them to buy health insurance.

They should have the option to take that money and buy a new car instead.

ObamaCare = Iron Fist of Socialism

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Yes, it is unamerican to point a gun at 20 something Americans and force them to buy health insurance.

They should have the option to take that money and buy a new car instead.

ObamaCare = Iron Fist of Socialism

Not quite...

More like the iron fist of Fascism...remember, fascism is the veneration of the state, a strong, central leader...(he tries - executive orders anyone?), ultra-nationalism and militarism. Basically our war mongers...McCain and Graham...would have done well in the Third Reich's upper circles.

If you really and truly want to know what Socialism is...look to Finland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden...THAT is true socialism. Even Germany, France, the UK and some of the other countries accused of Socialism are not really straight up socialism. If you want to know "true" socialism...look to the Nordic examples.

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The biggest problem with "the lowering of costs" s that it is forcing "the young invincibles" to buy a product that they can barely afford or do not need. When I was in my twenties, I was a horse. I never got sick, I never went to the doctor for anything...I take that back, I got injured on the job once and had to get stitches...the company paid for it.

What cracks me up is the folks that are calling this "socialism"...it is NOT...this is Crony Capitalism at it's finest my friends. You are propping up one industry (the insurance companies) and their backers (the security exchanges of Wall Street).

What a great gig to have...have a corporation that sells a product the GOV demands that the public buy...nice deal if you can get one.

But it is not and isn't remotely close to socialized medicine. Socialized medicine might be inefficient in some people's eyes, but "profit and stockholders" are not part of the general equation...get your facts straight before you b!tch and look like a fool.

I am against the whole thing because I do not appreciate being told what I have to spend my hard earned money on...that is the biggest complaint I have...that is not freedom...sorry.

I hope you don't own a car..because it is a law that you have to have car insurance. Here is the problem with that uninsured 20 year old that you are talking about...Said 20 year old is healthy, but then he trips and falls and by dumb luck obtains some pretty horrific injuries requiring stitches, casts, physical therapy..the whole nine yards. The treatment altogether costs the hospital approximately $15,000, but of course the 20 year old won't pay it (yes, some do, most don't). Now, I go out and obtain the same injuries in yet another freak accident. But, I am well insured. Now, the hospital is charging my insurance company $200,000 to pay for myself, you, and some of the other uninsured people that have used the hospital over the past week. So, what is the insurance company going to do? Raise my rates because the hospital is overcharging to cover their losses. Essentially, I am paying for all of the uninsured already through my higher insurance rates. How exactly is that fair?

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I hope you don't own a car..because it is a law that you have to have car insurance. Here is the problem with that uninsured 20 year old that you are talking about...Said 20 year old is healthy, but then he trips and falls and by dumb luck obtains some pretty horrific injuries requiring stitches, casts, physical therapy..the whole nine yards. The treatment altogether costs the hospital approximately $15,000, but of course the 20 year old won't pay it (yes, some do, most don't). Now, I go out and obtain the same injuries in yet another freak accident. But, I am well insured. Now, the hospital is charging my insurance company $200,000 to pay for myself, you, and some of the other uninsured people that have used the hospital over the past week. So, what is the insurance company going to do? Raise my rates because the hospital is overcharging to cover their losses. Essentially, I am paying for all of the uninsured already through my higher insurance rates. How exactly is that fair?

Buying a car is optional.

22 year olds should not be forced to buy health insurance. They are already forced to pay into Social Security. Projections show it will go

bankrupt.

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I hope you don't own a car..because it is a law that you have to have car insurance. Here is the problem with that uninsured 20 year old that you are talking about...Said 20 year old is healthy, but then he trips and falls and by dumb luck obtains some pretty horrific injuries requiring stitches, casts, physical therapy..the whole nine yards. The treatment altogether costs the hospital approximately $15,000, but of course the 20 year old won't pay it (yes, some do, most don't). Now, I go out and obtain the same injuries in yet another freak accident. But, I am well insured. Now, the hospital is charging my insurance company $200,000 to pay for myself, you, and some of the other uninsured people that have used the hospital over the past week. So, what is the insurance company going to do? Raise my rates because the hospital is overcharging to cover their losses. Essentially, I am paying for all of the uninsured already through my higher insurance rates. How exactly is that fair?

And that is precisely the point. But I guess that some don't mind freeloading of society while squealing their head off about "socialism".

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And that is precisely the point. But I guess that some don't mind freeloading of society while squealing their head off about "socialism".

Nobody forces Americans to buy a car.

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Nobody forces Americans to buy a car.

You are right. Nobody forces you to buy a car. But yet I am still forced to pay for the medical bills for the uninsured, just indirectly so that most people don't know it is happening. Because, it is IMPOSSIBLE to force someone to pay a $100,000 medical bill.

And what makes it even worse is the fact that I am paying for the medical bills of people that make more money than me, but choose not to pay for insurance!

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Nobody forces Americans to buy a car.

Nobody forces Americans to go to a hospital without the means to pay for it and/or insurance either.

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Nobody forces Americans to go to a hospital without the means to pay for it and/or insurance either.

It is unfair to burden 20 something Americans with a huge healthcare bill.

Leave them alone.

They are already getting ripped off by pouring money into Social Security.

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It is unfair to burden 20 something Americans with a huge healthcare bill.

Leave them alone.

They are already getting ripped off by pouring money into Social Security.

If they would stay out of the hospital when they can't pay for it I would agree with you.

The point is they don't, making people like me pick up their tab. And that is unfair. Much less fair that having somebody invest a few dollars in insuring that they will not go to the hospital on my hard (or less hard) earned money.

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If they would stay out of the hospital when they can't pay for it I would agree with you.

The point is they don't, making people like me pick up their tab. And that is unfair. Much less fair that having somebody invest a few dollars in insuring that they will not go to the hospital on my hard (or less hard) earned money.

The stats show that young Americans are not the problem. They don't get sick like older Americans.

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