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"burn the house down because you haven't gotten 100% of your way"

How ‘bout just 10% for once?

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We don't need no water let the ...@$#^&*@%* burn!

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"burn the house down because you haven't gotten 100% of your way"

How 'bout just 10% for once?

it's not about fairness. There is a well defined method of passing and repealing law. It has nothing to do with the CR.

I'm simply amazed at the people here on UM who are ostensibly disrespectful of government.

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it's not about fairness. There is a well defined method of passing and repealing law. It has nothing to do with the CR.

I'm simply amazed at the people here on UM who are ostensibly disrespectful of government.

Why does government demand respect?

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Respect is given when respect is earnt.

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"burn the house down because you haven't gotten 100% of your way"

How 'bout just 10% for once?

How 'bout Government funds all abortions?

No? How about we just do it for a year?

Hey - we're the ones willing to compromise here.

How about we go to conference so we can discuss the percentage of abortions you'd be willing to compromise on?. How 'bout 10%?

While we're here - how 'bout we raise the taxes on the top 10% back to what they were in the 1950's?

How 'bout we tax 10% of churches?

How 'bout we ban 10% of guns?

How 'bout just 10% for once?

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Not to mention the obvious but what's wrong with ending QE and giving the banks a trillion dollar a year haircut? Putting an end to that honey comb is completely spaced over by the entire bipartisan greed machine. How would letting the banks exist on their own merits kill off the sick women (stage props) standing behind Obama in the Rose Garden? Are those poor women getting their healthcare from Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley?

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That's helpful.

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Did the focus of this op shift – not that that never happens?....

I included the entire sentence from the quote so that author could be identified. The *burning* part was not really part of the subject. The point was that I don’t think that the GOP is wanting 100% of what they want, but how ‘bout at least some table scraps from Mr. “I will not negotiate” President? This President is not interested in compromise. He sees the GOP as enemies of the state. That’s pretty good considering that Socialism is the enemy of the Republic. This President is using the Constitution against itself to destroy it. That’s why he’s studied it. He is intent on building a Socialist Empire. This is painfully clear. And as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, he has gotten to the point that he doesn’t care about the audacity of the lies he tells.

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it's not about fairness. There is a well defined method of passing and repealing law. It has nothing to do with the CR.

It’s Washington. Any way they can get the job done is the correct method.

I'm simply amazed at the people here on UM who are ostensibly disrespectful of government.

The people should never respect the government. It is not to be respected or trusted. It is a dangerous tool that needs to be under constant control of the people which the people have been lax in.

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About the last thing I want or anyone else should want is "respect." That sounds like a gang leader. What others think of you is bound to always be wrapped up in their own posture. Self-respect is about all we should really want.

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Errr.....not to split hairs here, but "socialism" is not the "enemy" of a Republic. A "Republic" is a form of representation of the people....not how the "society" functions. Too many people blurring lines here. I do not think "socialism" can work in a country the size of the USA, but I do not "hate it"...It works very well in some places and I am happy for those that like it. It is just not a viable option in a country of 330 million...Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark are all doing ok by their people...but they are very small population clusters....

OK...

The Republicans threw their wish list on the table...fully anticipating some of it getting swept off. The problem I see with the Dems is that they are not even coming to the table. That is not the foundation of negotiation.

I read over their "wish list"...if they would scrap some of the boot licking of big biz and special interest groups...people might listen to them.

How about....if you are going to subsidize "big oil"...then you subsidize my business too? I want a "Gov set aside" too....not much, just a half a mill a year in guaranteed contracts....c'mon man...in the scope of the trillions they spend...my little "set aside" is less than peanuts.

I hope you all realize that was sarcasm....

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I know it's asking for a miracle...but how about...fair markets? Everyone gets a shot and no one gets favortism?

Ok, that was off topic....kind of...

Respect is given when it is earned ND. The corruption that is present and obvious has caused the erosion of respect for all three branches of federal GOV....They earned the disdain the people have for them. I remember when I was young, people were much more forgiving and really wanted to believe in the "goodness of GOV"...but that started slipping away and has slid way-way down. I doubt it will ever come back until the crookedness is called into the light and punished harshly. That is never going to happen.

People have come to realize their is no "real" altruism in GOV anymore...it has become a platform for the accumulation of personal and family wealth and the multitudes of people have been lost in the smoke.

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How 'bout Government funds all abortions?

No? How about we just do it for a year?

Why? I am all for not making abortion illegal. But I’m not for the government paying for abortions. That is a matter between the woman and whoever she wishes to share the decision with. It’s not the place of government to get involved. It’s the woman’s body. Just like Obamacare, our bodies belong to us. Government should not get involved with Healthcare. That’s not the purpose of government.

Hey - we're the ones willing to compromise here.

But the President isn’t.

How about we go to conference so we can discuss the percentage of abortions you'd be willing to compromise on?. How 'bout 10%?

Non sequitur since I am for abortion rights.

While we're here - how 'bout we raise the taxes on the top 10% back to what they were in the 1950's?

Why? Why do that? We are not as prosperous like we were back then. Plus, if we did that, we still wouldn’t put a dent in the debt and the overhead created would be passed onto the consumer. That’s ineffectual in one and wasteful in the other.

How 'bout we tax 10% of churches?

How 'bout we ban 10% of guns?

How 'bout just 10% for once?

And you’re a moderator?? I guess that position doesn’t require intelligence. No wonder I wouldn’t want to do it.

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But the President isn't.

Why should he? Why would someone compromise on a done deal?

That's like going to buy a car, agreeing on the deal, then complaining when the bill is due, refusing to pay for anything until your demands are met.

You think the bank should compromise with someone like that?

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Why should he? Why would someone compromise on a done deal?

DOMA was a done deal but it was effectively repealed.

That's like going to buy a car, agreeing on the deal, then complaining when the bill is due, refusing to pay for anything until your demands are met.

Except the people did not buy the car. It was forced upon us. And we definitely do not want to pay the bill.

You think the bank should compromise with someone like that?

I concede to compromise. The bank can repossess the car.

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Why should he? Why would someone compromise on a done deal?

That's like going to buy a car, agreeing on the deal, then complaining when the bill is due, refusing to pay for anything until your demands are met.

You think the bank should compromise with someone like that?

He is suppose to represent the will of the people, as a servent. Forcing his own personal beliefs on us is unconstitutional. Then again, I dont know a thing this man has done since in office that was constitutional. Accept letting congress decide on Syria. 91% were against it. Notice he got in line with that real quick, despite all his war mongering comments.

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And you're a moderator?? I guess that position doesn't require intelligence. No wonder I wouldn't want to do it.

Somehow, I don't think that's ever going to be an issue.

Asking for 10% of something which is non-negotiable is still non-negotiable. You either understand that, or you don't.

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DOMA was a done deal but it was effectively repealed.

Except the people did not buy the car. It was forced upon us. And we definitely do not want to pay the bill.

I concede to compromise. The bank can repossess the car.

Was DOMA effectively repealled, or did someone throw a hissy fit and shut down the Governmnent over it? There are legal channels for the opposition to go by.

People absolutely DID buy this car. It was debated, voted upon, and approved. When was it forced upon anyone? We aren't talking about some made up rule Obama just came up with overnight. NO ONE FORCED the passage of this law. There were no guns to anyones heads.

The Republicans are fools in this drama. Idiots of the highest imaginable calibre. They are risking alot to get what they want.

If the law is so horrible, then they can get it repealled just like the DOMA was, through correct legal channels.

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He is suppose to represent the will of the people, as a servent. Forcing his own personal beliefs on us is unconstitutional. Then again, I dont know a thing this man has done since in office that was constitutional. Accept letting congress decide on Syria. 91% were against it. Notice he got in line with that real quick, despite all his war mongering comments.

The will of the people voted in, approved and passed the ACA.

Just because those that have screamed the loudest don't like it, doesn't mean anything was forced on us.

What do you hate about the ACA law anyhow?

Is it that children are now covered until age 26 by their parents?

Or that someone with a pre-existing condition cannot be turned down?

What is it?

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Errr.....not to split hairs here, but "socialism" is not the "enemy" of a Republic. A "Republic" is a form of representation of the people....not how the "society" functions. Too many people blurring lines here. I do not think "socialism" can work in a country the size of the USA, but I do not "hate it"...It works very well in some places and I am happy for those that like it. It is just not a viable option in a country of 330 million...Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark are all doing ok by their people...but they are very small population clusters....

No, not a problem. I use it because it is blurred in common usage. I don’t think it really matters at a high enough level. Government, society, and economics all get intertwined as it is so why fight it?? Only academics really care. When you get down into the trenches, there are just too many shades of grey. All I’m doing is simplifying it so that [again] at the highest levels, it is only black and white. Socialism or Republic. Therefore Socialism and Republic are diametrically opposed. I have tried to explain that many times. Perhaps it’s time to give it another try??

Respect is given when it is earned ND. The corruption that is present and obvious has caused the erosion of respect for all three branches of federal GOV....They earned the disdain the people have for them. I remember when I was young, people were much more forgiving and really wanted to believe in the "goodness of GOV"...but that started slipping away and has slid way-way down. I doubt it will ever come back until the crookedness is called into the light and punished harshly. That is never going to happen.

People have come to realize their is no "real" altruism in GOV anymore...it has become a platform for the accumulation of personal and family wealth and the multitudes of people have been lost in the smoke.

I can tell you when that erosion first began. It was ratifying the 16th Amendment in 1913. The world had just started to play with this new concept of democratic socialism in the late 19th Century. But the 16th was passed in very much the same way that Obamacare was rammed through, but in this case, the Democrats waited for the Republicans to go home for Christmas. By the thirties and picking up right after WWII that forgiveness began to wane. The only way to get rid of the corruption is to return to the original concepts behind the Constitution and shed this experimentation with Socialism.

I like what Mary Matthews (Katharine Hepburn) in “State of the Union” (1948) said: “You politicians have stayed professionals only because the voters have remained amateurs.” The solution to the corruption is in the power of the people. People need to take an active role in government and citizenship like they once did. You just don’t elect some poor slob to occupy a seat and then keep reelecting him. If they want to stay there, they need to earn it by governing and not campaigning. You stop the campaigning by having the people not so easily bought by trinkets and bobbles. Our freedom is not for sale!

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Was DOMA effectively repealled, or did someone throw a hissy fit and shut down the Governmnent over it? There are legal channels for the opposition to go by.

I would say that finally growing a spine is a legal channel. If Conservatives don’t make a stand now then when? That is not a hissy fit. Reed and Obama are the ones throwing the hissy fit. This is what they do when faced with real opposition. Ultimately, whatever happens will reflect on the POTUS. And he is too narcissistic to let it go.

People absolutely DID buy this car. It was debated, voted upon, and approved. When was it forced upon anyone? We aren't talking about some made up rule Obama just came up with overnight. NO ONE FORCED the passage of this law. There were no guns to anyones heads.

What fantasy world do you live in? From another thread:

It was achieved dishonestly. Not one Republican Senator voted for it. All Republicans but one or two Rinos in the House voted against it. And the majority of Americans do not want it. Even when it goes into full effect, there will be at least 11 million Americans still not covered. Justice Roberts didn’t say it was right, just that for the time being, it was Constitutional. So why should this Law stay? DOMA was finally effectively ruled unConstitutional and in 2014 Obamacare will be challenged in the courts again for different reasons; reasons that are this time, clearly unConstitutional.

And to that, I will add that it was not debated. If it was debated, it would not have been passed. When most Congressmen had not read it, how can it be debated? You don’t pass it first to see what is in it. You find out what is in it first. And when there was a town hall to present it to the people, it always met with negativity. And yet, it was still crammed down our throats by the Socialists… er, Democrats. Being forced to purchase health insurance at the point of penalty *IS* that gun to the head. This helps no one. This is not a totalitarian state and that is how the people feel with Obamacare.

Why do people think that the only way to force someone is by putting a real gun to their head? That is just another excuse by the Left.

The Republicans are fools in this drama. Idiots of the highest imaginable calibre. They are risking alot to get what they want.

Freedom requires a high price. This is a heroic stand by the GOP. I just wonder if they finally will have the guts to see it through. They get nothing but high praise from me. And it’s the Left that is beginning to feel the pressure as their gambit is challenged.

If the law is so horrible, then they can get it repealled just like the DOMA was, through correct legal channels.

As I’ve said before, this is Washington. What they are doing is correct legal channels. I think they are getting tired of being shut out going through the correct legal channels you are thinking of. If the President won’t listen to the people through those channels, he will listen to us through other channels that he has created by his own hand.

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Personally I think the democrats actually planned for this outcome. The debt ceiling debate is coming up and it is a given that the republicans will behave like they did before. I think the democrats are going to try and tie the government shutdown and the potential economic downgrade together and use that to sink the republicans in the next couple of elections. I was trying to explain to my co-worker the difference between tactics and strategy. Tactics=winning the fight. Strategy= winning the war. He thought you can win any war by winning all the fights till I pointed out that in Vietnam the U.S. won every major engagement, but lost the war. I think some republicans realize this but most are like my friend.

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I would say that finally growing a spine is a legal channel. If Conservatives don't make a stand now then when? That is not a hissy fit. Reed and Obama are the ones throwing the hissy fit. This is what they do when faced with real opposition. Ultimately, whatever happens will reflect on the POTUS. And he is too narcissistic to let it go.

What fantasy world do you live in? From another thread:

It was achieved dishonestly. Not one Republican Senator voted for it. All Republicans but one or two Rinos in the House voted against it. And the majority of Americans do not want it. Even when it goes into full effect, there will be at least 11 million Americans still not covered. Justice Roberts didn't say it was right, just that for the time being, it was Constitutional. So why should this Law stay? DOMA was finally effectively ruled unConstitutional and in 2014 Obamacare will be challenged in the courts again for different reasons; reasons that are this time, clearly unConstitutional.

And to that, I will add that it was not debated. If it was debated, it would not have been passed. When most Congressmen had not read it, how can it be debated? You don't pass it first to see what is in it. You find out what is in it first. And when there was a town hall to present it to the people, it always met with negativity. And yet, it was still crammed down our throats by the Socialists… er, Democrats. Being forced to purchase health insurance at the point of penalty *IS* that gun to the head. This helps no one. This is not a totalitarian state and that is how the people feel with Obamacare.

Why do people think that the only way to force someone is by putting a real gun to their head? That is just another excuse by the Left.

Freedom requires a high price. This is a heroic stand by the GOP. I just wonder if they finally will have the guts to see it through. They get nothing but high praise from me. And it's the Left that is beginning to feel the pressure as their gambit is challenged.

As I've said before, this is Washington. What they are doing is correct legal channels. I think they are getting tired of being shut out going through the correct legal channels you are thinking of. If the President won't listen to the people through those channels, he will listen to us through other channels that he has created by his own hand.

I live in the 'fantasy' world that when the Senate and the House pass a bill, then the President signs it into law, that we should follow that law. That is the American way. That is taught in every civics class in the country.

Then, if we decide we don't like it, the Senate and the house can change it the same darn way.

How are Reid and Obama having a 'hissy fit'? They are refusing to compromise on a Law that is already on the books. I'm not following your logic at all.

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Personally I think the democrats actually planned for this outcome. The debt ceiling debate is coming up and it is a given that the republicans will behave like they did before. I think the democrats are going to try and tie the government shutdown and the potential economic downgrade together and use that to sink the republicans in the next couple of elections. I was trying to explain to my co-worker the difference between tactics and strategy. Tactics=winning the fight. Strategy= winning the war. He thought you can win any war by winning all the fights till I pointed out that in Vietnam the U.S. won every major engagement, but lost the war. I think some republicans realize this but most are like my friend.

Good point. You have to pick your battles....

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