Big Bad Voodoo Posted October 3, 2013 #1 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) http://www.telegraph...assination.html The head of Iran’s cyber warfare programme has been shot dead, triggering further accusations that outside powers are carrying out targeted assassinations of key figures in the country’s security apparatus. ----- Info and cyber war is war! Edited October 3, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted October 3, 2013 #2 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Mossad or the Saudi's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 4, 2013 #3 Share Posted October 4, 2013 The Iranians went and lost a perfectly good computer hacker..dang! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeem Posted October 4, 2013 #4 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Work of the jionist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 5, 2013 #5 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Work of the jionist Probably - and if so, good on 'em. Kill cockroaches wherever you find them. But truth is there is no way to know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaa-Tzik Posted October 5, 2013 #6 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Probably - and if so, good on 'em. Kill cockroaches wherever you find them. But truth is there is no way to know for sure. I agree, but I hope nobody complains if the wherever is somewhere they would prefer it not to be. Now, care for a nice cup of tea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 5, 2013 #7 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Probably - and if so, good on 'em. Kill cockroaches wherever you find them. But truth is there is no way to know for sure. I'm kind of curious. What made this man a cockroach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 5, 2013 #8 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I'm kind of curious. What made this man a cockroach? The fact that he actively supports a tyrannical regime. No sympathies on my part for an individual who supports such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 5, 2013 #9 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I agree, but I hope nobody complains if the wherever is somewhere they would prefer it not to be. Now, care for a nice cup of tea.... I take your point and my statement stands. If someone decides to wax a hacker from the US then he'd probably deserve it. It's just a nasty business - but isn't all warfare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaa-Tzik Posted October 6, 2013 #10 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I take your point and my statement stands. If someone decides to wax a hacker from the US then he'd probably deserve it. It's just a nasty business - but isn't all warfare? Of course, and the greatest obscenity is not "naughty pictures" but death. It is difficult, but it is possible, that while needing to kill in war, the killing can be stopped when it has become killing for the sake of killing, taking territory for the sake of it. General Tal showed the moral strength required to step back from abys in Yom Kippur War, forty years ago today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeem Posted October 6, 2013 #11 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Probably - and if so, good on 'em. Kill cockroaches wherever you find them. But truth is there is no way to know for sure. There is a way to know for sure it's Mossad record. and lets ignore cockroaches they really don't posses that much threat. Edited October 6, 2013 by jeem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted October 6, 2013 #12 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The fact that he actively supports a tyrannical regime. No sympathies on my part for an individual who supports such things. If it is his country of birth, then his upbringing will be to be loyal to the rule of law there, he just may not know any different. But also, he could just as easily be manipulated into enacting his role. Fear is a powerful weapon, how many are there that would fear reprisals on their families if they put a foot wrong? Most people will do whatever it takes to have some semblance of a life in extreme circumstances. Those that rise up and risk all to overthrow repressive regimes are few and far between until that day arrives when they literally have nothing to lose by taking action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted October 6, 2013 #13 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Funny, the most dangerous man imaginable in the technological sense...still dies if you put enough holes in him. It's not ironic, but it made me chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 7, 2013 #14 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If it is his country of birth, then his upbringing will be to be loyal to the rule of law there, he just may not know any different. But also, he could just as easily be manipulated into enacting his role. Fear is a powerful weapon, how many are there that would fear reprisals on their families if they put a foot wrong? Most people will do whatever it takes to have some semblance of a life in extreme circumstances. Those that rise up and risk all to overthrow repressive regimes are few and far between until that day arrives when they literally have nothing to lose by taking action. I can understand your point - even possibly sympathize for his potential situation - but his actions enabled a regime that seeks power in any way possible and whose ideals are detrimental to the way of life of my people and my ideals. Maybe saying "no sympathy" was incorrect. But without knowing his mind I cannot have a default position of believing the best of him. People do not rise to such heights of responsibility against their will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 9, 2013 #15 Share Posted October 9, 2013 The fact that he actively supports a tyrannical regime. No sympathies on my part for an individual who supports such things. You do that every day and you don't even know it, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 9, 2013 #16 Share Posted October 9, 2013 You do that every day and you don't even know it, do you? While we are "wondering aloud", has it ever occurred to you, even once, that it might be YOU who is misguided? That self protection and tyranny is only equivalent when one is speaking of Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted October 9, 2013 #17 Share Posted October 9, 2013 http://www.telegraph...assination.html The head of Iran’s cyber warfare programme has been shot dead, triggering further accusations that outside powers are carrying out targeted assassinations of key figures in the country’s security apparatus. ----- Info and cyber war is war! Perhaps he should have been a bit more focused on real and less on cyber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 10, 2013 #18 Share Posted October 10, 2013 While we are "wondering aloud", has it ever occurred to you, even once, that it might be YOU who is misguided? That self protection and tyranny is only equivalent when one is speaking of Israel? I'm "misguided" compared to the establishment because I'm not a Zionist shill for Israeli foreign policy. No country has the right to violate international law and get away with it indefinitely. No country has the right to commit crimes against humanity and more violations of United Nations Security Council Resolutions than any other country. That deserves criticism. Someone's religion or ethnic group is no defense from evil, criminality, or terrorism (see the OP). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted October 10, 2013 #19 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Perhaps he should have been a bit more focused on real and less on cyber. Yeah...bullet to the face doesn't get fixed w/ CTRL,ALT,DELETE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 10, 2013 #20 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's an act of war, and since Iran's the victim, the establishment will set our expectations that the response from Iran must be a lack of any response whatsoever or else Israel will have grounds for a military assault to defend itself. And after that lack of response, the establishment will get right on with the usual BS about how dangerous Iran is. Another death caused by Israeli terrorism; another day in the office of coddling and enabling these crooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted October 10, 2013 #21 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Well duh. They're our allies, they help us have eyes in a very homogenous and secluded part of the world. For the love of God, why do people think these things are somehow covert? It's business, we stay buddies with Israel, a proclaimed Jewish nation in the middle of the mid-east surrounded by muslims, who don't often get along well with each other. By looking like we care, we look good on the international scale, even if just a lil bit. And, it gets us people on the ground in subtle ways, so we know where oil and what have you is. It's just business, thats all it ever is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 10, 2013 #22 Share Posted October 10, 2013 "Helping us have eyes" on the oil or whatever, now there's a real priority for us to go broke over! They help us keep a fat red target painted on our foreheads, that's all they're good for. If the Middle East is as bad as these money spenders say it is, then stop spending money on it. Let's spend our money on good things. Let's cure cancer. Let's feed our people. Let's minimize suffering. Let's build a moon colony. Let's go to Mars. F' oil. The last thing we need is more secret meetings with energy companies shaping our foreign policy. If these oily characters in the Middle East are as bad as everyone says they are, stop doing business with them or you're an accomplice. Energy independence is now in our reach. We don't need to play blood games for dirty foreign oil any longer. It's time for the greatest transfer of wealth out of the US and into the Middle East to come to an end. The entire Middle East can sink or swim on its own merit, like the rest of the world. These little sweetheart favorites we're always paying off make us look like cravens who can't do our own dirty work. We do not look good in the world by coddling Israel. UNSC resolutions have been unanimous against Israel before the US vetoes them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted October 10, 2013 #23 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Well duh. They're our allies, they help us have eyes in a very homogenous and secluded part of the world. For the love of God, why do people think these things are somehow covert? It's business, we stay buddies with Israel, a proclaimed Jewish nation in the middle of the mid-east surrounded by muslims, who don't often get along well with each other. By looking like we care, we look good on the international scale, even if just a lil bit. And, it gets us people on the ground in subtle ways, so we know where oil and what have you is. It's just business, thats all it ever is You might be surprised to know this but it's Saudi Arabia not Israel who gives you the local intel. Israel only looks after themselves. Obviously Jewish money and votes in US elections also contribute to their cause. Edited October 10, 2013 by Black Red Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 10, 2013 #24 Share Posted October 10, 2013 You might be surprised to know this but it's Saudi Arabia not Israel who gives you the local intel. Israel only looks after themselves. Obviously Jewish money and votes in US elections also contribute to their cause. Care to document that claim about intel? Kind of a sweeping assertion. No doubt the Kingdom has assets -so does Pakistan - doesn't mean they necessarily share anything of value with the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted October 10, 2013 #25 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Care to document that claim about intel? Kind of a sweeping assertion. No doubt the Kingdom has assets -so does Pakistan - doesn't mean they necessarily share anything of value with the US. Here you go. It took me a whole 5 seconds to google it. You've got the article, now read between the lines and then compare against events that have been unfolding in the middle East in the last couple of decades or so. Edited October 10, 2013 by Black Red Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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