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Where He lived? Ethiopia? India ? China ? Greek , Rome, Arabia,syria , Mexico ?Jesus said "The foxes have holes, and the birds of air have nests, but a son of man hath not where to lay his head. " Which religion he followed, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism?

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WELL if you read the Bible, it will answer both of those questions.

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Where He lived? Ethiopia? India ? China ? Greek , Rome, Arabia,syria , Mexico ?Jesus said "The foxes have holes, and the birds of air have nests, but a son of man hath not where to lay his head. " Which religion he followed, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism?

He lived in the only place you have missed: Nazareth in the Galilee. About "The foxes have holes..." talk is balderdash. There were several women, including the wife of Pilate providing Jesus with financial support in his mission, he had very rich people as secret disciples like Joseph of Arimathea, Nicodemus and Zachaeus, (luke 19:2,3) and was married with a very well-to-do famous courtesan from the city of Magdala who had a nice home available to him in Bethany.

His Faith was Judaism and he followed it just like any other loyal Jew. (Mat.5:17-19) But if you take the Christian way he must have been a Greek of the fanatic Hellenistic kind akin to a demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman.

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Clearly he was a Jew born in Judea, raised in Judea and died in Judea, but were did he live for the 14 missing years? Well, answers, of some kind of other, are available on several other threads. I think the majority view is that he lived in Alexandria, but we will never know, only guess. Does fit with the Hellenistic elements though.

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Clearly he was a Jew born in Judea, raised in Judea and died in Judea, but were did he live for the 14 missing years? Well, answers, of some kind of other, are available on several other threads. I think the majority view is that he lived in Alexandria, but we will never know, only guess. Does fit with the Hellenistic elements though.

What 14 missing years? He was studying, learning, and working with his father in the building business. No jew would have been allowed, or credible, as a preacher/ teacher until he was around 30 years of age. It took that long to gain wisdom knowledge and experience. There is evidence in the similarity of their teachings, that christ learned and followed the preachings/teachings of a rabbi who was a bit older than him and had some rather "unorthodox" slants on judaism. It was paul who introduced the 'hellenistic elements" in a deliberate and very successful attempt to to make christianity more appealing to non jews, as jews had not, in the main accepted the teachings of christ.

Rome had a great admiration for all things greek, and so it gave more appeal to roman "citizens" in particular, who occupied most of the civilized world at that time.

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What 14 missing years? He was studying, learning, and working with his father in the building business. No jew would have been allowed, or credible, as a preacher/ teacher until he was around 30 years of age. It took that long to gain wisdom knowledge and experience. There is evidence in the similarity of their teachings, that christ learned and followed the preachings/teachings of a rabbi who was a bit older than him and had some rather "unorthodox" slants on judaism. It was paul who introduced the 'hellenistic elements" in a deliberate and very successful attempt to to make christianity more appealing to non jews, as jews had not, in the main accepted the teachings of christ.

Rome had a great admiration for all things greek, and so it gave more appeal to roman "citizens" in particular, who occupied most of the civilized world at that time.

Please provide evidence for his 14 missing years then.

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Please provide evidence for his 14 missing years then.

What missing 14 years? Who says he was missing? Certainly not any account we actually have of his life. The bible says he worked with his father, and lived with his family; going to social events like weddings with them. He was at home with his family studying and working as jewish young men did in those days.

In his days people rarely travelled long distances except around the shores of the mediterranean, where they had access by boat. And he wouldn't have gone as far as India, because he had no reason to, and would have found it imposible to communicate with the indian people..

But more convincing is that his words, message, and preaching, were jewish in nature and origin, not indian or influenced by other cultures; and he lived (during the time of the gospels) as a jew from the local area, who knew the people there and had long time friends from the local area.; not a well travelled man. He didnt know other languages, and he probably could not read or write, so he demonsrated no evidences of traveling to far off and exotic places. He never spoke of those places or their people, using always local examples in his teaching and preaching.

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What missing 14 years? Who says he was missing? Certainly not any account we actually have of his life. The bible says he worked with his father, and lived with his family; going to social events like weddings with them. He was at home with his family studying and working as jewish young men did in those days.

In his days people rarely travelled long distances except around the shores of the meditierranean, where they had access by boat. And he certainly wouldn't have gone as far as India. But more convincing is that his words, message, and preaching, were jewish in nature and origin, and he lived (during the time of the gospels) as a jew from the local area who knew the peole there and had long time friends from the local area.; not a well travelled man. He didnt know other languages, and he probably could not read or write, so he demonsrated no evidences of traveling to far off and exotic places.

From the part I put in bold it is suggested there is an account of his life during that period, please tell. I do not believe the tales of him going to far off exotic places, like India, Britain or North America, but it is not inconcievable for him to have gone to Alexandria. There is no proof of course, but then there is no proof of him doing anything for those years, only supposition.

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He didnt know other languages, and he probably could not read or write...

Jesus is described in scripture of writing at least once - he wrote on the ground with his finger in John 8, although nothing is stated of what he wrote. Scripture also describes Jesus as reading on several occasions. Since scripture is the primary, original source we have for the existence and life of the person, if we are to trust it is correct in it's mundane claim for that person existence we should also assume it is correct in it's mundane claim for that person's literacy.

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From the part I put in bold it is suggested there is an account of his life during that period, please tell.

The only written record accepted as "A genuine" account of christs life tell us little but it does tell us he was a carpenter like his father that he spent a lot of time studying We know he lived with his family because he had great affection for his mother and a close relationship with her and he cared for her as a son Joseph died and it is probable that christ had to work to support the family otherwise they would have had no income Christ went to family events with his family eg the wedding atthe beginning of the gospels.

This is the only evidence we have

But there is NO evidence, and no suggestion, that christ travelled widely, which would have taken him away from his family his duties and responsibilities and his learning to be a scholar and teacher For example those who went form europe to the crusades nuch later were usualy away form home for years because of travel times( do you know howlittle distance a man can walk in a day, or even ride a horse?). ALso travel was expensive, dangerous, and time consuming, and almost no one travelled without compelling reasons to. (95% or more of "nonmilitary" personel never went more than a few days walk from their home town in their entire life.) This we know to be true as late as 1000 AD.

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Jesus is described in scripture of writing at least once - he wrote on the ground with a stick if my memory serves me, although I admit I cannot remember if he wrote words, or symbols. Scripture also describes Jesus as reading on several occasions. Since scripture is the primary, original source we have for the existence and life of the person, if we are to trust it is correct in it's mundane claim for that person existence we should also assume it is correct in it's mundane claim for that person's literacy.

I wont argue this point. Christ was intelligent enough to read and write but most jewish teaching and learning was done(deliberately) orally. You had to memorise everything including the whole torah to be accounted a scholar and this was passed doen not form a book to a person, but from one man's memory to the next. This was basically because writing material was both scarce and extremely valuable From memory it was alos held by some jews to be sacred and written texts had to be "buried" They could not be destroyed, or written over and used again. Whatever christ wrote had to be a well known symbol because almost every one watching the demonstration would not have been able to read.

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The only written record accepted as "A genuine" account of christs life tell us little but it does tell us he was a carpenter like his father that he spent a lot of time studying We know he lived with his family because he had great affection for his mother and a close relationship with her and he cared for her as a son Joseph died and it is probable that christ had to work to support the family otherwise they would have had no income Christ went to family events with his family eg the wedding atthe beginning of the gospels.

This is the only evidence we have

But there is NO evidence, and no suggestion, that christ travelled widely, which would have taken him away from his family his duties and responsibilities and his learning to be a scholar and teacher For example those who went form europe to the crusades nuch later were usualy away form home for years because of travel times( do you know howlittle distance a man can walk in a day, or even ride a horse?). ALso travel was expensive, dangerous, and time consuming, and almost no one travelled without compelling reasons to. (95% or more of "nonmilitary" personel never went more than a few days walk from their home town in their entire life.) This we know to be true as late as 1000 AD.

It is still all supposition. And as for people travelling about the world you are wrong. At Stonehenge a skelton of an adult male was found and dated to about 2,500 BC or there abouts. Analysis of his teeth showed that he was born in the area of modern Switzerland. It also seems that the iceman Oetzi was well travelled. And there is the evidence of Egyptians living in Britain in Roman times, later than the time of Jesus certainly, but within the same world, the same conditions. Rome made it much easier and safer to travel than had ever been the case and I suspect there was a lot of movement around the Empire.

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These will give you an idea before,and after the supposed life of Jesus.

Before; http://librivox.org/...r-gaius-julius/

After; http://librivox.org/...ws-by-josephus/

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It is still all supposition. And as for people travelling about the world you are wrong. At Stonehenge a skelton of an adult male was found and dated to about 2,500 BC or there abouts. Analysis of his teeth showed that he was born in the area of modern Switzerland. It also seems that the iceman Oetzi was well travelled. And there is the evidence of Egyptians living in Britain in Roman times, later than the time of Jesus certainly, but within the same world, the same conditions. Rome made it much easier and safer to travel than had ever been the case and I suspect there was a lot of movement around the Empire.

I am not wrong. The ice age was a time of great human upheaval and migration, But we do know historically that few people ever moved more than a day or twos travel from their place of birth unless there were special circumstances; like traders entertainers, religious or military people. They are the 5% who did move around.

You are correct about roman security and also roads as wel as the mechanisms required for a great civilization encouraging travel, but it still only involved a tiny minority. Statistically, a poor jew from judea was not likely to have the means, resources or skills like language to travel widely. And roman authority diid not extend to india. LAstly, why would christ need or want to? He was learning to be what he was to be. Such skils and knowledge would have taken 20-30 years to develop..

I agree it is all supposition, but we need to use logic and historical knowledge to extrapolate the most likely scenario. There is NO hint or historical background suggesting christ traveled beyond his home "state" so why think he did? Some magical, mystical reason?

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These will give you an idea before,and after the supposed life of Jesus.

Before; http://librivox.org/...r-gaius-julius/

After; http://librivox.org/...ws-by-josephus/

I am sorry but the idea that people somehow confused caesar with christ, is as "silly" and unsupportable, as the idea that he went to india etc and learn mystical magic. Yes humans might make similar attributions to different people held in high esteem, and your own theory shows how humans make patterns and links where nothing but coincidence exists, but christ was a jew from judea, while ceasar was the head of the roman empire. No comparison, except that made much later by people..

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I am sorry but the idea that people somehow confused caesar with christ, is as "silly" and unsupportable, as the idea that he went to india etc and learn mystical magic. Yes humans might make similar attributions to different people held in high esteem, and your own theory shows how humans make patterns and links where nothing but coincidence exists, but christ was a jew from judea, while ceasar was the head of the roman empire. No comparison, except that made much later by people..

I was only providing insight from authors that lived around the time period in question,but looks like I have to reintroduce some facts.

Here are the facts on Jesus;

Jesus 6 BCE-33 CE? (No mention of Jesus by anyone,or even about Matthew 27:52-:53.)

Pauline Epistles 51-58 CE (The letters considered genuine tell very little about Jesus,

and those have some interpolations.)

Romans Sack Judea 70 CE Vespasian,Titus,and the Jewish Flavius Josephus (who calls Vespasian the Messiah) are key figures.

Mark 65-70 CE (The Gospels are from unknown non-eyewitness Greek educated writers.)

Matthew 75-80 CE

Luke 75-90 CE

John 85-100? CE

Here are some facts on the Romans;

Caesar is considered a Messiah by the Jews as evidenced at his funeral pyre.

http://penelope.uchi...rs/Julius*.html

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar P117 84.5

At the height of the public grief a throng of foreigners went about lamenting each after the fashion of his country, above all the Jews, who even flocked to the place for several successive nights.(Caesar respected the Temple of Judea)

His wax effigy was displayed at his funeral much like on the coin in my avatar.

http://penelope.uchi...il_Wars/2*.html

Appian The Civil Wars Book II P501 147.1

Raised above the bier an image of Caesar himself made of wax.The body itself,as it lay on its back on the couch, could not be seen.The image was turned round and round by a mechanical device,showing the twenty-three wounds in all parts of the body and on the face,that had been dealt to him so brutally.(Tropaion/Mechane)

(Wiki base reference only)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropaion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechane

Here is a sample of the physical evidence;

The Flavian dynasty (Vespasian,Titus,Domitian) whom the Hebrew turncoat Flavius Josephus was working for has early Christian symbology on their coinage.

1)Grape Cluster

2)The Good Shepherd

3)Peacock

4)Anchor

5)fish

6)Boat (Ship's prow with Julian Star)

7)Orante/Orans (7 Stars showing duration of days for the Julian Star)

8)Palm (Judean prisoner under palm tree) Edit: loaded up prisoner under trophy by accident

9)Cross (Judean prisoner under trophy)

10)Angel (Later Christian symbology)

11)Phoenix (It's an Eagle I cheated)

Other evidences (note: Julian Star is Caesar's Comet of 44 BCE which deified Caesar);

12)Caesar resurrecting

13)Caesar's celestial mother the Goddess Venus with a sacred cross in her ear

14)Julian Star

15)Chi Rho (The 1st Christogram of Constantine)

16)Clementia Caesaris (Divine mercy)

17)Deified Caesar crowned with Julian Star

18)Early depiction of Jesus with Chi Rho surrounded by sacred Poppy

19)Caesar's Gaul prisoner under sacred trophy

20)Trio of Caesar's trophies with Litus wand,and Holy water jug (John 19:18 †††)

21)Turn of the Common Era Jewish ossuary with what looks like Julian Stars on them (many more)

22)Coin of Herod the Great with what looks like the Julian Star flanked by two Palms

Now,one would have to have true faith in Jesus to not see a Roman connection,or to just scoff at it entirely.

Any nuetral party that has looked this over care to comment honestly? Thanks.

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Clearly he was a Jew born in Judea, raised in Judea and died in Judea, but were did he live for the 14 missing years? Well, answers, of some kind of other, are available on several other threads. I think the majority view is that he lived in Alexandria, but we will never know, only guess. Does fit with the Hellenistic elements though.

Clearly Jesus was a Jew born in Nazareth of the Galilee, raised in Nazareth and yes, he died in Judea as many others like him and also from Galilee died as he did under the political charge of insurrection albeit not of his fault but because he own disciples caused it for acclaiming him king of the Jews at the entrance of Jerusalem. Read Luke 19:37-40. IMHO he spent most of those 14 years working with his father in Nazareth. He was known of being from Galilee and 14 years somewhere else would have erased a lot of that memory.. Jesus was not a Hellenist as Paul was. Hence their gospels differed considerably from each other.

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I am not wrong. The ice age was a time of great human upheaval and migration, But we do know historically that few people ever moved more than a day or twos travel from their place of birth unless there were special circumstances; like traders entertainers, religious or military people. They are the 5% who did move around.

You are correct about roman security and also roads as wel as the mechanisms required for a great civilization encouraging travel, but it still only involved a tiny minority. Statistically, a poor jew from judea was not likely to have the means, resources or skills like language to travel widely. And roman authority diid not extend to india. LAstly, why would christ need or want to? He was learning to be what he was to be. Such skils and knowledge would have taken 20-30 years to develop..

I agree it is all supposition, but we need to use logic and historical knowledge to extrapolate the most likely scenario. There is NO hint or historical background suggesting christ traveled beyond his home "state" so why think he did? Some magical, mystical reason?

2,500 BC was not an "ice age" , and I think the only major migration occurring in Europe around that time would have been the Celts moving out of what is now Ukraine. But please don't hold me to that exact date, it's only a generality.

The second set of points you make are perfectly valid, but please do not confuse me with a person who thinks Jesus may have travelled to India, I reject that as fantasy. I do not even say categorically that he was ever in Alexandria as there is not one shred of evidence, though Alexandria is not an unrealistic destination, and who's to say that if he went there it wasn't by boat, depending on winds maybe not more than a days sailing. The whole point is that there is no evidence either way, maybe he did stay at home, maybe not, nobody knows.

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Clearly Jesus was a Jew born in Nazareth of the Galilee, raised in Nazareth and yes, he died in Judea as many others like him and also from Galilee died as he did under the political charge of insurrection albeit not of his fault but because he own disciples caused it for acclaiming him king of the Jews at the entrance of Jerusalem. Read Luke 19:37-40. IMHO he spent most of those 14 years working with his father in Nazareth. He was known of being from Galilee and 14 years somewhere else would have erased a lot of that memory.. Jesus was not a Hellenist as Paul was. Hence their gospels differed considerably from each other.

Yes, all true, though of course you have to use "IMHO" because of lack of evidence for were he was. As I say in my post above this one, maybe he did stay at home and maybe not, we don't know, we can only speculate.

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I was only providing insight from authors that lived around the time period in question,but looks like I have to reintroduce some facts.

Here are the facts on Jesus;

Jesus 6 BCE-33 CE? (No mention of Jesus by anyone,or even about Matthew 27:52-:53.)

Pauline Epistles 51-58 CE (The letters considered genuine tell very little about Jesus,

and those have some interpolations.)

Romans Sack Judea 70 CE Vespasian,Titus,and the Jewish Flavius Josephus (who calls Vespasian the Messiah) are key figures.

Mark 65-70 CE (The Gospels are from unknown non-eyewitness Greek educated writers.)

Matthew 75-80 CE

Luke 75-90 CE

John 85-100? CE

Here are some facts on the Romans;

Caesar is considered a Messiah by the Jews as evidenced at his funeral pyre.

http://penelope.uchi...rs/Julius*.html

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar P117 84.5

At the height of the public grief a throng of foreigners went about lamenting each after the fashion of his country, above all the Jews, who even flocked to the place for several successive nights.(Caesar respected the Temple of Judea)

His wax effigy was displayed at his funeral much like on the coin in my avatar.

http://penelope.uchi...il_Wars/2*.html

Appian The Civil Wars Book II P501 147.1

Raised above the bier an image of Caesar himself made of wax.The body itself,as it lay on its back on the couch, could not be seen.The image was turned round and round by a mechanical device,showing the twenty-three wounds in all parts of the body and on the face,that had been dealt to him so brutally.(Tropaion/Mechane)

(Wiki base reference only)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropaion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechane

Here is a sample of the physical evidence;

The Flavian dynasty (Vespasian,Titus,Domitian) whom the Hebrew turncoat Flavius Josephus was working for has early Christian symbology on their coinage.

1)Grape Cluster

2)The Good Shepherd

3)Peacock

4)Anchor

5)fish

6)Boat (Ship's prow with Julian Star)

7)Orante/Orans (7 Stars showing duration of days for the Julian Star)

8)Palm (Judean prisoner under palm tree) Edit: loaded up prisoner under trophy by accident

9)Cross (Judean prisoner under trophy)

10)Angel (Later Christian symbology)

11)Phoenix (It's an Eagle I cheated)

Other evidences (note: Julian Star is Caesar's Comet of 44 BCE which deified Caesar);

12)Caesar resurrecting

13)Caesar's celestial mother the Goddess Venus with a sacred cross in her ear

14)Julian Star

15)Chi Rho (The 1st Christogram of Constantine)

16)Clementia Caesaris (Divine mercy)

17)Deified Caesar crowned with Julian Star

18)Early depiction of Jesus with Chi Rho surrounded by sacred Poppy

19)Caesar's Gaul prisoner under sacred trophy

20)Trio of Caesar's trophies with Litus wand,and Holy water jug (John 19:18 †††)

21)Turn of the Common Era Jewish ossuary with what looks like Julian Stars on them (many more)

22)Coin of Herod the Great with what looks like the Julian Star flanked by two Palms

Now,one would have to have true faith in Jesus to not see a Roman connection,or to just scoff at it entirely.

Any nuetral party that has looked this over care to comment honestly? Thanks.

A lot of your "facts" are wrong or misinterpreted or irrelevant

if christ had been a "constructed" deity, then he would have been constructed out of contemporary jewish life and theology not roman. Christs teachings resemble one strong thread of judaism which went on to form modern judaism. Paul deliberately and clealry rewrote some of the theology to suit gentiles/pagans, including romans.

There were jewish christians recorded in rome by AD 50 and gentile christians not much later. There were jewish and gentile christian churches debating theology liturgy and the nature of christ, in the first half of the first century. There were many versions of early christianity, including gnostic ones, in the same period.

Hence the need for paul to write to christian churches ot try and solidify them into one faith, and hence the need for a council of churches in AD 50 to set uniform teachings.

One point i would debate. Historically it is by no means accepted that the gospel writers were unknown. There are people attributed as their authors. This might either mean that the stories originally came from people with these names, although the greek written versions were transcribed by others, OR that the named people actually wrote some of the gospels. The gospels existed in oral form from christs own life time and early written versions are mentioned in a variety of historical documents. But we only KNOW the slightly later versions with which we are familiar today.

At least one is likely to have been originally written by an eyewitness (believed to be the young boy whose coat was ripped from him in the struggle at gesthemane) And Yes, the writers were greek educated but so what? Manyy diverse people had a greek education, and in the roman empire greek was a language repsected along with greek culture. Hence its use. It served the same purpose as french or latin serve in the middle ages and was the language of educated people wherever they came from.

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I don't think Jesus existed as a historical person, but I also don't see that his story as it evolved had anything to do with the Caesars. The evidence proposed seems totally coincidental, and stretched coincidence at that.

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2,500 BC was not an "ice age" , and I think the only major migration occurring in Europe around that time would have been the Celts moving out of what is now Ukraine. But please don't hold me to that exact date, it's only a generality.

The second set of points you make are perfectly valid, but please do not confuse me with a person who thinks Jesus may have travelled to India, I reject that as fantasy. I do not even say categorically that he was ever in Alexandria as there is not one shred of evidence, though Alexandria is not an unrealistic destination, and who's to say that if he went there it wasn't by boat, depending on winds maybe not more than a days sailing. The whole point is that there is no evidence either way, maybe he did stay at home, maybe not, nobody knows.

Sorry. Written communication can be tricky. You mentioned the ice man who, from memory, lived in a glacial period of history but i could just be thinking of the climate where he was killed.. Someone else mentioned india and this is a comon thread in such topics. The ice man was being hunted. No one knows why, or by whom, but he was a long way from home This danger is precisely why few people travelled out of their home grounds.

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Yes, all true, though of course you have to use "IMHO" because of lack of evidence for were he was. As I say in my post above this one, maybe he did stay at home and maybe not, we don't know, we can only speculate.

Throughout the gospels he was known as one of the Galileans. And at least among his peers that identification would have got erased with an absence of 14 years. Once he was trying to preach to the Jews who had grown up with him, an argument started when Jesus accused them with being children of the Devil and was accused back with having been born out of fornication; aka as a result of an illegitimate birth. (John 8:41) If that was possible to be remembered at the age of 30, it is only obvious that Jesus lived all his life in Galilee. But then again, as you mentioned above, it is still speculation.

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I don't think Jesus existed as a historical person, but I also don't see that his story as it evolved had anything to do with the Caesars. The evidence proposed seems totally coincidental, and stretched coincidence at that.

IMHO Jesus did exist but not that he was the "Christ" of Paul. This only happened to have picked up the "Mentor" of the Sect of the Nazarenes to proclaim himself as the Christian Messiah by proxy. He never met Jesus and had no idea of how he looked like. Paul simply reasoned that if he proclaimed himself the Messiah he would fail as all the previous ones. He anointed the unknown Jesus as the one to back up himself as the one and went out to work. Very intelligent strategy never experienced by the others before him. Once he went up to Jerusalem to learn something about the gospel of the Apostles and declared that they had nothing to teach him and that the Jesus they preached was definitely a different Jesus from his "Christ". Being asked for an opinion about him later by the Corinthians, he discarded them as false apostles. (II Cor. 11:3-6,13; Gal. 2:6)

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Sorry. Written communication can be tricky. You mentioned the ice man who, from memory, lived in a glacial period of history but i could just be thinking of the climate where he was killed.. Someone else mentioned india and this is a comon thread in such topics. The ice man was being hunted. No one knows why, or by whom, but he was a long way from home This danger is precisely why few people travelled out of their home grounds.

That's alright, I see were you got mixed up. I think the main proponent of Jesus being in India has "left the building". Though I think people moved about much more than was previously thought. I know many will think they all stayed at home, or think of medieval times when peasants had very limited freedom of movement. How much ancient people moved about is a still ongoing matter.

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