CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #26 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah I wouldn't say it is the hard edge conservatism that CyberKen wishes it was. I would say its a more moderate view that is emerging in America. Fiscal conservatism and liberal social views are on the rise, thankfully. It just means people are starting to wake up and reject the Democrat and Republican institutions, finally. Oh, Ted Cruz for president in 2016? good luck getting that exploitaive, obstructionist clown re-elected as senator. Who am I kidding, the tea party stupidity knows has no apex. It's an old pattern that always repeats. - The general public usually moves in the opposite direction of the current policy. - Current Policy = Full Fledged Embrace of the Welfare State Obama has lost his Mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #27 Share Posted October 16, 2013 For another big reveal, compare the rising "conservatism" chart to the debt chart over the same years. Conservatives: Small government is not global military, it's not $100 trillion (to infinity, and beyond) federal prescription drug programs, and it's not going into people's bedrooms and telling them what kind of marriage to have. That government is huge, insolvent, and invasive government. That is true. The U.S. Government has never taken in this much money. It still can't balance the budget. Thank God for the Sequester or it would be even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderOTD Posted October 16, 2013 #28 Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) So then if your fantasy of Ted getting elected as president were to come true, in time your uber conservatism would eventually become the disdain of the entire nation? I actually agree with you on this point. I've followed the punk scene since I have pretty much been able to walk to the record shop and buy my own albums. It was pretty anti-republican in the 80's for obvious reasons, then went anti-democrat in the 90's, then anti-republican in the 2000s. It is a trend that you can see reflected in many scenes. One of the bands that never bought into that crap storm is Dead Kennedys, if you actually listen to their music with out the conservative or liberal goggles. But I digress, yeah you are probably right about this, but I think it may be because that hard left and right leaning policies just don't work because you are alienating a sizeable proportion of the constituents. I would gather that regardless of what the MSM tells us, a majority of Americans are pretty moderate and have been caught at the crossroads in the last 30 years. Edited October 16, 2013 by EnderOTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #29 Share Posted October 16, 2013 So then if your fantasy of Ted getting elected as president were to come true, in time your uber conservatism would eventually become the disdain of the entire nation? I actually agree with you on this point. I've followed the punk scene since I have pretty much been able to walk to the record shop and buy my own albums. It was pretty anti-republican in the 80's for obvious reasons, then went anti-democrat in the 90's, then anti-republican in the 2000s. It is a trend that you can see reflected in many scenes. One of the bands that never bought into that crap storm is Dead Kennedys, if you actually listen to their music with out the conservative or liberal goggles. But I digress, yeah you are probably right about this, but I think it may be because that hard left and right leaning policies just don't work because you are alienating a sizeable proportion of the constituents. I would gather that regardless of what the MSM tells us, a majority of Americans are pretty moderate and have been caught at the crossroads in the last 30 years. Translation: We live in a nation of nonconformists. Obama Approval Rating: 37% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #30 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Uh oh Yes, we are standing in the middle of a GOP Victory and Charles Krauthammer is full of Doom and Gloom. I'm glad Fox News Hired George Will. He is the NEW voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderOTD Posted October 16, 2013 #31 Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) and the gop approval rating is horrible as well http://www.pollingre...om/cong_rep.htm this just tells us that our elected officials do not represent us. Edited October 16, 2013 by EnderOTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted October 16, 2013 #32 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah I wouldn't say it is the hard edge conservatism that CyberKen wishes it was. I would say its a more moderate view that is emerging in America. Fiscal conservatism and liberal social views are on the rise, thankfully. It just means people are starting to wake up and reject the Democrat and Republican institutions, finally. Oh, Ted Cruz for president in 2016? good luck getting that exploitaive, obstructionist clown re-elected as senator. Who am I kidding, the tea party stupidity knows has no apex. I think it's true that people lean towards conservatism more than liberalism in general. Change can be frightening, and it's certainly not something a country should plunge into head first. Not to mention people tend to have an affinity for the world they grew up in, and wish to preserve it like that. Listen to any conservative above a certain age and they'll romanticize the America of the 50s. Of course they tend to forget that it was reigned over by New Dealers, and the Republican Eisenhower continued the tradition of investing in America. Personally I've grown out of my partisanship, and I think other people should too. I think there have been good conservative and liberal Presidents and Prime Ministers. I also don't think everyone is entirely liberal or entirely conservative, sometimes people will surprise you. Both sides need to realize that the other side is not the enemy, and they're not out to destroy the country. They're motivated by what they think is best for the country. Whenever a law is drafted, liberals should ask "is it fair?" and conservatives should ask "is it fiscally sound?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted October 16, 2013 #33 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Both sides need to realize that the other side is not the enemy, and they're not out to destroy the country. They're motivated by what they think is best for the country. Thank you! I wish people would understand this. The partisan insults are moronic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 16, 2013 #34 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Moronic and effective often coexist in politics. When "both sides" (both the paper and the plastic) stop the games and they come together in unity, they'll wind up doing the same stupid thing they've done a hundred times before, and raise the debt ceiling. How's that any better than suffering stupid little political insults the media pays such close attention to for us as if they mean something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderOTD Posted October 16, 2013 #35 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Moronic and effective often coexist in politics. When "both sides" (both the paper and the plastic) stop the games and they come together in unity, they'll wind up doing the same stupid thing they've done a hundred times before, and raise the debt ceiling. How's that any better than suffering stupid little political insults the media pays such close attention to for us as if they mean something? I'm not sure what your saying here. Do you want there to be just one political party? or maybe individuals should be elected for their merits and promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted October 16, 2013 #36 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm not sure what your saying here. Do you want there to be just one political party? or maybe individuals should be elected for their merits and promises? I'm not hiding any deeper meaning in the form of what I want in my previous comments. If you're asking me for political advice, never vote for a D or R again for the rest of your life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderOTD Posted October 16, 2013 #37 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm not hiding any deeper meaning in the form of what I want in my previous comments. If you're asking me for political advice, never vote for a D or R again for the rest of your life. Never have never will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #38 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thank you! I wish people would understand this. The partisan insults are moronic The Obama Transformation of America has been halted by Speaker Boehner. We kicked the can down the road for 90 days. That's it. Oh and the people who passed ObamaCare are officially exempt from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted October 16, 2013 #39 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The Obama Transformation of America has been halted by Speaker Boehner. We kicked the can down the road for 90 days. That's it. Oh and the people who passed ObamaCare are officially exempt from it. Because they're in Congress and they already get healthcare. Moronic and effective often coexist in politics. When "both sides" (both the paper and the plastic) stop the games and they come together in unity, they'll wind up doing the same stupid thing they've done a hundred times before, and raise the debt ceiling. How's that any better than suffering stupid little political insults the media pays such close attention to for us as if they mean something? It's not just stupid little insults. It's divisive BS. The claims made to undermine the legitimacy of Obama's election were utterly ridiculous; Secret Muslim, Kenyan with a forged birth certificate, Illegitimate child of Malcolm X. George W. Bush got it too, he was alternatively a Christian Theocrat, a racist, or responsible for 9/11. Does it do a nation any favours to descend to that level of irrational hatred? What would Washington think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted October 16, 2013 #40 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Because they're in Congress and they already get healthcare. It's not just stupid little insults. It's divisive BS. The claims made to undermine the legitimacy of Obama's election were utterly ridiculous; Secret Muslim, Kenyan with a forged birth certificate, Illegitimate child of Malcolm X. George W. Bush got it too, he was alternatively a Christian Theocrat, a racist, or responsible for 9/11. Does it do a nation any favours to descend to that level of irrational hatred? What would Washington think? Guess he can't see it, else after the apotheosis he would have send some lightning down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 16, 2013 Author #41 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Because they're in Congress and they already get healthcare. It's not just stupid little insults. It's divisive BS. The claims made to undermine the legitimacy of Obama's election were utterly ridiculous; Secret Muslim, Kenyan with a forged birth certificate, Illegitimate child of Malcolm X. George W. Bush got it too, he was alternatively a Christian Theocrat, a racist, or responsible for 9/11. Does it do a nation any favours to descend to that level of irrational hatred? What would Washington think? You are forgetting their staff. OOPS! The dems complained out loud that ObamaCare would affect their recruiting efforts. Remember ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted October 16, 2013 #42 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Well, we have not had a conservative president since Reagan. We have had pseudo-Democrats in the two Bushes, with the "new-world order", the ridiculous spending, etc. then there was Clinton and now we have Obama, who many consider anywhere from a hard line leftist all the way to a Marxist, or at least with those leanings. And people feel their Constitutional rights may be in danger, and with some reason as far as I can tell. So perhaps the country is ready for a change, if it's not too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted October 16, 2013 #43 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Reagan a conservative? No Reagan was a big business pawn just like everyone who has followed him. I doubt he actually had any beliefs of his own except for the reverence of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted October 17, 2013 Author #44 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Reagan a conservative? No Reagan was a big business pawn just like everyone who has followed him. I doubt he actually had any beliefs of his own except for the reverence of money. And how many jobs did President Reagan create during his 8 year term? Good News: Conservatives are growing in ALL 50 States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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