300,000 Lose Insurance in Florida

[CyberKen]

It will cause great harm to our country? I'm sure all the people that are sick who will now be covered will disagree with you on that one.

The ACA will be different than the private sector, no doubt, but that's why we have it. Too many people getting couldnt get coverage because the private companies charged too much for, and to certain people.

The ACA isn't some part of any "hidden agenda", it's simply there to help those who need it. What could the larger agenda possibly be? I'd really like to know.

There appear to be Plans - Within - Plans.

Rush Limbaugh just floated the idea that there is a reason why the New York Times, ABC News etc are telling everyone that 5 Million

lines of code need to be rewritten to fix the ObamaCare Website. The big picture goal is to Flip The Narrative.

- Oh, okay....this ObamaCare really is too complicated. So, lets just simplify everything and switch to the Canadian Public Option !-

- It's SOOOOOOO easy and FREE ! -

What do you say? Yes or No ?

[aztek]

I'm sure all the people that are sick who will now be covered will disagree with you on that one.

lets hear from those ppl, not you. and than lets hear from those that lost their policys, oh wait 300k in florida just did that.

Edited October 23, 2013 by aztek

[andy4]

lets hear from those ppl, not you. and than lets hear from those that lost their policys, oh wait 300k in florida just did that.

Ok, that sounds good to me. Give it some time and you'll hear some good stories eventually. Yep, you're right, 300k in florida did lose their policy. Lets also hear from those 500,000 plus who just picked up a policy, if we want both positive and negative stories.

[aztek]

. Lets also hear from those 500,000 plus who just picked up a policy, if we want both positive and negative stories.

lol, lets do it. i'd love to hear from them. and when we do, lets asked them what they had before and how much it cost then.

Edited October 23, 2013 by aztek

[andy4]

lol, lets do it. i'd love to hear from them. and when we do, lets asked them what they had before and how much it cost then.

Ok, you're on. You do understand however, that this will not happen overnight. If things aren't smoothed out in a year or more, then maybe I'll start to agree with you. Not 3 weeks after the ACA kicks in, as that would be just a little premature.

Hope we are both still on the forum a year from now though! Lol

Edited October 23, 2013 by andy4

[aztek]

ok, sounds fair enough

[F3SS]

You mean the insurance monopolies that were there before anyways? I bet some would say they have more freedom, because they can now purchase health insurance for the first time in their life, and don't have to stress over the what ifs anymore.

Nobody has less freedom due to this, you'd just love for it to be that way however.

I have less freedom. Before, I was able to choose wether or not to spend thousands of dollars a year on insurance. Today, I can still choose but will face severe penalties and the headache of dealing with the IRS if I choose not to.

And 500,000 have not enrolled. 500,000 have created an account on the website including Kathleen Sebilius who does not need to enroll which means that accounts created and enrollment numbers have little in common.

[andy4]

I have less freedom. Before, I was able to choose wether or not to spend thousands of dollars a year on insurance. Today, I can still choose but will face severe penalties and the headache of dealing with the IRS if I choose not to.

And 500,000 have not enrolled. 500,000 have created an account on the website including Kathleen Sebilius who does not need to enroll which means that accounts created and enrollment numbers have little in common.

I'd hardly agree that paying a fine on something that you don't want is a "severe" penalty. I don't like the fact that my tax money goes to things I don't necessarily agree with, but I deal with it, because some of it goes to help some others in need. That's what the ACA will do, it will help those who need it, while not taking away any of your freedom. Ok that's fair with the enrollment numbers, but when they do come out they will probably be around that number, if not more.

If one considers a law designed to help others as a loss of freedom, that's a little too much. There are other things one should be more worried about as far as that goes. You haven't really lost any freedom, and are in fact going to help others to gain some in their lives.

[F3SS]

I'd hardly agree that paying a fine on something that you don't want is a "severe" penalty. I don't like the fact that my tax money goes to things I don't necessarily agree with, but I deal with it, because some of it goes to help some others in need. That's what the ACA will do, it will help those who need it, while not taking away any of your freedom. Ok that's fair with the enrollment numbers, but when they do come out they will probably be around that number, if not more.

If one considers a law designed to help others as a loss of freedom, that's a little too much. There are other things one should be more worried about as far as that goes. You haven't really lost any freedom, and are in fact going to help others to gain some in their lives.

Man I already pay plenty of taxes that go to help plenty of people and I already pay for Medicaid which is this public health help system we have. I feel like I'm taxed enough already. Helping others by force is not a freedom. And the penalties are severe. Do some homework. Scour the threads. I and many others have posted plenty of financial statistics and burdens many many times and all we did was use google to find out. Or you can just be happy taking up the rear complacently. Your choice.

[lightly]

Well, duh....A lot of smaller insurance companies have gone under because of the ACA....

duhh, ; I suspected as much . That is the prevalent trend ? A lot of smaller EVERYTHING keep going under. Everything that is 'provided'.. Energy, Food, Drugs, Insurances,Banking, is being provided by fewer and fewer BIG providers. Monopolies? close i guess,, sort of shared monopolies?

Edited October 23, 2013 by lightly

[andy4]

Man I already pay plenty of taxes that go to help plenty of people and I already pay for Medicaid which is this public health help system we have. I feel like I'm taxed enough already. Helping others by force is not a freedom. And the penalties are severe. Do some homework. Scour the threads. I and many others have posted plenty of financial statistics and burdens many many times and all we did was use google to find out. Or you can just be happy taking up the rear complacently. Your choice.

I feel you and agree 100% as far as being taxed enough goes, trust me. It just seems that if buying insurance wasn't mandatory, or there wasn't a government option, the price of insurance would really skyrocket in a massive way. Your average low income person can't afford that. The system was broken, and this is the solution. It's just a wee bit too early to tell how things will pan out as far as the ACA goes. There are many out there with no insurance, and some have kids who are also uninsured. These people can now buy it for their whole family for the first time in their life because its become affordable.

My point here is this though; we should give it some time to prove itself and see if it works before jumping to conclusions so rapidly. I understand it could be hurting some people right now, but I bet in due time, it will help many more than it hurts. This may even apply to you sometime in the future, but we just aren't at that point yet. If the opposite is true, then lets fix it, but give it a little while to play out first.

[F3SS]

Andy you are far too optimistic for me. Just think of the carelessness of which the website was created. This is a sign of things to come.

[andy4]

Yeah I've heard about that little foul up, but once again, I'd say give it a bit more time. If you're right though and it is a sign of things to come, then it's time to pack up and head for the hills. I'm actually fairly pessimistic, but not in this case. Lol

Edited October 24, 2013 by andy4

[+joc]

It will cause great harm to our country? I'm sure all the people that are sick who will now be covered will disagree with you on that one.

The ACA will be different than the private sector, no doubt, but that's why we have it. Too many people getting couldnt get coverage because the private companies charged too much for, and to certain people.

The ACA isn't some part of any "hidden agenda", it's simply there to help those who need it. What could the larger agenda possibly be? I'd really like to know.

The larger agenda is Single Payer.

All the sick people covered...covered with what? Not insurance...huh uh.

Will you please listen to me...please. You are not a stupid person. But you are missing something huge here. Think...unintended consequences. Unintended Consequences are things that happen that weren't drawn into the original equation. Let's ...for the moment...give the President and the Democrats a big High Five for coming up with a plan that would insure everyone and let's say...for the moment...that they had nothing but good intentions. Well, they didn't think through the unintended consequences. Here are a few big ones they missed: Pharmaceutical companies are not going to lower their cost to the pharmacies...and the pharmacies are already having a hard time staying in profit mode because of the unintended consequence of them not being able to charge what the patients plan says the cost is. They are losing alot of money every time they fill an Obamacare prescription. Another unintended consequence is a lack of qualified doctors. Many doctors are just walking away from what used to be a good practice because they see the writing on the wall. They cannot afford to see patients for the same reason many are walking away from Medicaid/Medicare.

So...what is the end of all these unintended consequences? (and I only named two...there are many, many more) Sky rocketing insurance policies, difficulty in timely acquistion of the medicines needed. Having to find a new doctor because your isn't on the 'policy' plan you signed up for..and on, and on, and on.

How exactly does that help the sick who needed coverage? It doesn't. It brings the entire Health Care system to a sceeching hault. And what is the end result of that? Single Payer.

And now...for all the moments...let's get to the real issue...this isn't an accident of overlooked unintended consequences at all. This President has done everything he possibly could do to destroy America as we know it...he even said when he became President the first time...that he was going to 'Fundamentally change America'.

America doesn't need Fundamental Change. The CHANGE that no one could define...is Socialism..and Socialism is nothing more than an avenue to Communism or some form of Totalitarianism.

So much for the sick and needy.

[Yamato]

Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes

Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.

The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are cancelling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions.

Sigh What part of this did we 'Tea Partiers' say was going to happen...every part!

Great article, but the title of the article took me aback, it's severe underkill. Thousands? Try millions. There's over 100,000 IBM retirees who just lost their coverage and that's just one company. These people are old enough to qualify for Medicare, but Medicare doesn't pay for all expenses. People still get stuck with 20% of very ginormous medical bills thanks to decades of govt intrusion into the marketplace. The system gave birth to another turd and this one has Obama's face on it so naturally the republicans are up in arms about it. People....that is so lame.

Obamacare is just another offshoot of a long old tentacle of insolvency that's going to be large enough to destroy the US economy. The tentacles of control have been there for generations now. Where's that ever brought up in this great partisan debate? What did the Republicans do when they had power? They gave birth to another whale, the Prescription Drug Bill, another exponential insolvency in the system now $22 trillion in the hole. If you're a Republican and you voted for that Frankenstein, you need to shut up about Obamacare because you're the problem. Other people need to discuss fixing you, while you sit silently and obediently in the corner with your gum on your nose.

Either we all agree to go to a single-payer system and stop wasting time and money by rocking the boat back and forth while people suffer and die, or we get government out of the marketplace and let prices plummet back to earth again (affordability OMG!).

[+joc]

Great article, but the title of the article took me aback, it's severe underkill. Thousands? Try millions. There's over 100,000 IBM retirees who just lost their coverage and that's just one company. These people are old enough to qualify for Medicare, but Medicare doesn't pay for all expenses. People still get stuck with 20% of very ginormous medical bills thanks to decades of govt intrusion into the marketplace. The system gave birth to another turd and this one has Obama's face on it so naturally the republicans are up in arms about it. People....that is so lame.

Obamacare is just another offshoot of a long old tentacle of insolvency that's going to be large enough to destroy the US economy. The tentacles of control have been there for generations now. Where's that ever brought up in this great partisan debate? What did the Republicans do when they had power? They gave birth to another whale, the Prescription Drug Bill, another exponential insolvency in the system now $22 trillion in the hole. If you're a Republican and you voted for that Frankenstein, you need to shut up about Obamacare because you're the problem. Other people need to discuss fixing you, while you sit silently and obediently in the corner with your gum on your nose.

Either we all agree to go to a single-payer system and stop wasting time and money by rocking the boat back and forth while people suffer and die, or we get government out of the marketplace and let prices plummet back to earth again (affordability OMG!).

Yeah...THAT one!

[andy4]

The larger agenda is Single Payer.

All the sick people covered...covered with what? Not insurance...huh uh.

Will you please listen to me...please. You are not a stupid person. But you are missing something huge here. Think...unintended consequences. Unintended Consequences are things that happen that weren't drawn into the original equation. Let's ...for the moment...give the President and the Democrats a big High Five for coming up with a plan that would insure everyone and let's say...for the moment...that they had nothing but good intentions. Well, they didn't think through the unintended consequences. Here are a few big ones they missed: Pharmaceutical companies are not going to lower their cost to the pharmacies...and the pharmacies are already having a hard time staying in profit mode because of the unintended consequence of them not being able to charge what the patients plan says the cost is. They are losing alot of money every time they fill an Obamacare prescription. Another unintended consequence is a lack of qualified doctors. Many doctors are just walking away from what used to be a good practice because they see the writing on the wall. They cannot afford to see patients for the same reason many are walking away from Medicaid/Medicare.

So...what is the end of all these unintended consequences? (and I only named two...there are many, many more) Sky rocketing insurance policies, difficulty in timely acquistion of the medicines needed. Having to find a new doctor because your isn't on the 'policy' plan you signed up for..and on, and on, and on.

How exactly does that help the sick who needed coverage? It doesn't. It brings the entire Health Care system to a sceeching hault. And what is the end result of that? Single Payer.

And now...for all the moments...let's get to the real issue...this isn't an accident of overlooked unintended consequences at all. This President has done everything he possibly could do to destroy America as we know it...he even said when he became President the first time...that he was going to 'Fundamentally change America'.

America doesn't need Fundamental Change. The CHANGE that no one could define...is Socialism..and Socialism is nothing more than an avenue to Communism or some form of Totalitarianism.

So much for the sick and needy.

Alright, I hear every word of what you're saying, I really do. I read it from a different point of view, but here's mine.

So, if the pharmaceutical companies are charging too much for prescription medication what are they going to do when they have no pharmacies to sell to? It won't happen. They will have to lower their costs unless they also want to go out of business and they wouldn't let that take place. They may be a little greedy in this regard, but they know what they're doing. Also, if there are so many more people in need of getting medications due to a high influx of customers who need them, they may even profit off the new law. I've even read a couple articles stating that this is a likely scenario. The amount of people going in and getting medications would more than likely make up for the high cost of said medications being sold to the pharmacy. But this of course would take place after the pharmaceutical companies eventually cave in. Which they will, because they kinda have to in order to survive.

As far as the doctors go, worrying about that still taking place down the road seems unlikely. Just as many doctors are leaving, there are many more to take their place. Who knows, maybe the cost of being a nurse or doctor etc, will go down. Sure it may mean they're paid less than before, but I'd bet the new influx of those who want to be a doctor or nurse, also knew and saw many current doctors walking away from the job. It'd be a good opportunity for many, and it possibly may even create a few more jobs and who knows, they may even want to become a pharmacist.

If the current system isn't working in conjunction with the new and updated, fair version for all, then perhaps it's time for it to change as well. Nothing stays the same, and the medical community is going through its own new birthing process.

I disagree however that it is a road to communism, or even socialism for that matter. America is still a democracy, albeit a hardly functioning one, but we aren't exactly communist, or on a road to communism. There are already a few social policies in place in America already today. Social security is a good example, and so is paying the toll to have your roads fixed.

I just don't think that it's fair for a pharmaceutical company which takes in billions upon billions in profit a year, to dictate who gets medical coverage and who doesn't. They're helping to prevent that from happening, it's obvious. It's become a main point against the ACA, while the point should be that an industry is trying to dictate people's health and lives, prevent fairness and equality, and thats just wrong. That's offensive to me as a human being. If they won't change and get with the new system, they'll either collapse and be purchased by another person or entity. Out with the old, in with the new.

Edited October 24, 2013 by andy4

[+joc]

Alright, I hear every word of what you're saying, I really do. I read it from a different point of view, but here's mine.

So, if the pharmaceutical companies are charging too much for prescription medication what are they going to do when they have no pharmacies to sell to? It won't happen. They will have to lower their costs unless they also want to go out of business and they wouldn't let that take place. They may be a little greedy in this regard, but they know what they're doing. Also, if there are so many more people in need of getting medications due to a high influx of customers who need them, they may even profit off the new law. I've even read a couple articles stating that this is a likely scenario. The amount of people going in and getting medications would more than likely make up for the high cost of said medications being sold to the pharmacy. But this of course would take place after the pharmaceutical companies eventually cave in. Which they will, because they kinda have to in order to survive.

You just don't understand. What will happen is what always happens...people layed off...loss of jobs. People (labor) are the number one cost in any business organization. People are the first to go. It doesn't matter the size or wealth of a company...profit is a necessary entity!

...and.... Do you think entrepeneurs are going to waste time and energy and money developing new miracle drugs if they have no incentive?

As far as the doctors go, worrying about that still taking place down the road seems unlikely. Just as many doctors are leaving, there are many more to take their place. Who knows, maybe the cost of being a nurse or doctor etc, will go down. Sure it may mean they're paid less than before, but I'd bet the new influx of those who want to be a doctor or nurse, also knew and saw many current doctors walking away from the job. It'd be a good opportunity for many, and it possibly may even create a few more jobs and who knows, they may even want to become a pharmacist.

Do you have any idea how much Doctors owe in forms of student loans once they get out of school with their doctorate? Again, you are not factoring Incentive into your equations. So...not only do you have doctors exiting the system...you have a dramatic decrease of new doctors 'entering' the system...and this is NOT down the road Andy....it is already happening.

If the current system isn't working in conjunction with the new and updated, fair version for all, then perhaps it's time for it to change as well. Nothing stays the same, and the medical community is going through its own new birthing process.I disagree however that it is a road to communism, or even socialism for that matter. America is still a democracy, albeit a hardly functioning one, but we aren't exactly communist, or on a road to communism. There are already a few social policies in place in America already today. Social security is a good example, and so is paying the toll to have your roads fixed.

No, the medical community is going through a Government Takeover. You don't see it because you have your blinders on. Take them off Andy...walk away from the forest and then take a look at it.

I just don't think that it's fair for a pharmaceutical company which takes in billions upon billions in profit a year, to dictate who gets medical coverage and who doesn't. They're helping to prevent that from happening, it's obvious. It's become a main point against the ACA, while the point should be that an industry is trying to dictate people's health and lives, prevent fairness and equality, and thats just wrong. That's offensive to me as a human being. If they won't change and get with the new system, they'll either collapse and be purchased by another person or entity. Out with the old, in with the new.

But you do think that it is fair for a Bloated Federal Government that rakes in Trillions every year for doing absolutely nothing gets to dictate that I buy an insurance policy? You are being tricked Andy...everyone is being tricked...Obamacare has nothing good for anyone except Obama and those in Washington who are salivating at the thought of all that 'new' money pouring in from forced taxes.

[CyberKen]

Yeah...THAT one!

Yes, lets get the government out of the healthcare system.

In the meantime, we need to back the Senator Joe Manchin Bill to Delay ObamaCare until January 1, 2015.

Other Democrat Senators are following the leadership of Sen. Joe Manchin.

[aztek]

CBS News has confirmed with insurance companies across the county that more than two million people will not be able to keep their existing health insurance plan. Obamacare is forcing insurance companies to drop plans that do not meet the law's minimum standards of coverage. "CBS This Morning" national correspondent Jan Crawford reports.

http://screen.yahoo....309971-cbs.html

that is just the begining folks, stay tuned for more desaster unfolding

Edited October 29, 2013 by aztek

[CyberKen]

CBS News has confirmed with insurance companies across the county that more than two million people will not be able to keep their existing health insurance plan. Obamacare is forcing insurance companies to drop plans that do not meet the law's minimum standards of coverage. "CBS This Morning" national correspondent Jan Crawford reports.

http://screen.yahoo....309971-cbs.html

that is just the begining folks, stay tuned for more desaster unfolding

The NBC Scoop and Megyn Kelly revealed the Obama Big Lie. He knew.

It looks like NBC took 1 step forward and then 1 step back.

They pulled their story and did a little editing.

Hint to NBC: We all have - screen grab utility programs - .... Nice try though!

[ninjadude]

That's a good thing. Those plans could not even really be called "insurance".

[F3SS]

That's a good thing. Those plans could not even really be called "insurance".

But they were something and in many cases they were exactly what people wanted to pay for. You never cease to amuse. 300,000 and counting in just one state and that's a good thing.

Edited October 30, 2013 by F3SS

[Jack Skellington]

Obamacare will cover pre-existing conditions!!!!

---unless your pre-existing condition was a private insurance plan that you were happy with and a doctor that you liked.

[CyberKen]

Obamacare will cover pre-existing conditions!!!!

---unless your pre-existing condition was a private insurance plan that you were happy with and a doctor that you liked.

Over 10 Million Independent Americans are in - Health Insurance Limbo - and Team Obama knew this would happen.

Go to the IRS Website and read it for yourself.

Supplementary Information:

Roman Numeral IV, 5. f. .......and therefore relinquish their grandfather status is 40% to 67%. --- Smoking Gun ---

http://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-29_IRB/ar08.html