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pod of orca's circle ferry w tribal artifacts

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Proof there is more to life than we can understand, or what we see with our eyes.

This is amazing and nearly made me cry... please read article. This is where I'm from, I love my section of the earth...

Xoxo to my land, my puget sound and these whales :)

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Orcas circle ferry transporting tribal artifacts to Bainbridge Island

A large pod of orcas swam around a Washington state ferry in an impressive display as it happened to be carrying tribal artifacts to a new museum at the ancestral home of Chief Seattle.By DOUG ESSERThe Associated PressCANDICE EMMONS / NOAA FISHERIES SERVICEKiller whales have been thrilling whale watchers this week in Puget Sound. But they were especially exciting Tuesday when nearly three dozen orcas surrounded the ferry from Seattle as it approached the terminal on Bainbridge Island.

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"“They were pretty happily splashing around, flipping their tails in the water,” he said. “We believe they were welcoming the artifacts home as they made their way back from Seattle, back to the reservation.”"

Hmm, how plausible is this explanation?

For a more realistic look at the Indian-whale relationship, here's a snippet from a BBC article about the resumption of whaling.

"But their descendents say they do not want the whales for food. They believe resumption of whaling will restore pride in a community blighted by unemployment, crime and drugs."

Awesome! It's not about food, it's all about cultural traditions, and thus by definition, cruel. I wish people would not be bamboozled by the media fabrications about this supposed great spiritual connection between Indians and animals, it's a bunch of malarkey. One only has to look at how they neglect and abuse their dogs, and then shoot them because they are incapable of being responsible dog owners.

This animal cruelty towards dogs is what has kept me from the UM boards for a while. I have been involved in some local animal cruelty cases on Indian reserves where I live. The native and non-native authorities refuse to investigate these cases because they don't want to "ruffle any feathers". It's goddam cowardice hiding behind political correctness, which I cannot abide.

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"“They were pretty happily splashing around, flipping their tails in the water,” he said. “We believe they were welcoming the artifacts home as they made their way back from Seattle, back to the reservation.”"

Hmm, how plausible is this explanation?

For a more realistic look at the Indian-whale relationship, here's a snippet from a BBC article about the resumption of whaling.

"But their descendents say they do not want the whales for food. They believe resumption of whaling will restore pride in a community blighted by unemployment, crime and drugs."

Awesome! It's not about food, it's all about cultural traditions, and thus by definition, cruel. I wish people would not be bamboozled by the media fabrications about this supposed great spiritual connection between Indians and animals, it's a bunch of malarkey. One only has to look at how they neglect and abuse their dogs, and then shoot them because they are incapable of being responsible dog owners.

This animal cruelty towards dogs is what has kept me from the UM boards for a while. I have been involved in some local animal cruelty cases on Indian reserves where I live. The native and non-native authorities refuse to investigate these cases because they don't want to "ruffle any feathers". It's goddam cowardice hiding behind political correctness, which I cannot abide.

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Still thinking about the Orcas that circled the Washington state ferry that was transporting artifacts to Bainbridge Island. When I first read the article in the paper I got chills and tears came to my eyes.

There are strange and wonderous things in this world, and it is amazing to think the whales knew the artifacts were on the ferry, and were welcoming them home.

I've lived here in the Tacoma area for over 27 years, and love it. I'm originally from California, but Washington is my home! :yes:

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In reference to the post of Redhen, isn't it entirely possible there is a spiritual connection between the Orcas and the Suguamish Indians? I haven't heard of any more whaling by this tribe or any other in years. Why would the whales circle the ferry if there was not some sort of mystical connection to the tribe? "The proof is in the pudding"...

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"“They were pretty happily splashing around, flipping their tails in the water,” he said. “We believe they were welcoming the artifacts home as they made their way back from Seattle, back to the reservation.”"

Hmm, how plausible is this explanation?

For a more realistic look at the Indian-whale relationship, here's a snippet from a BBC article about the resumption of whaling.

"But their descendents say they do not want the whales for food. They believe resumption of whaling will restore pride in a community blighted by unemployment, crime and drugs."

Awesome! It's not about food, it's all about cultural traditions, and thus by definition, cruel. I wish people would not be bamboozled by the media fabrications about this supposed great spiritual connection between Indians and animals, it's a bunch of malarkey. One only has to look at how they neglect and abuse their dogs, and then shoot them because they are incapable of being responsible dog owners.

This animal cruelty towards dogs is what has kept me from the UM boards for a while. I have been involved in some local animal cruelty cases on Indian reserves where I live. The native and non-native authorities refuse to investigate these cases because they don't want to "ruffle any feathers". It's goddam cowardice hiding behind political correctness, which I cannot abide.

Extreme animal cruelty comes wherever there is poverty and desperation. It comes from not having a target for your anger and desperation and not having been treated properly yourself. When your beaten up by your parents who are dope fiends and drunks and shown no affection by them you in turn are going to treat other living beings the same. I've seen this vicious cycle many times and help out with a tribal summer camp to try to stop it, including introducing kids to my horses dogs and cats and giving them proper support so they are not angry and emotionally stunted.

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In reference to the post of Redhen, isn't it entirely possible there is a spiritual connection between the Orcas and the Suguamish Indians? I haven't heard of any more whaling by this tribe or any other in years.

Possible? Sure, almost anything is possible, except for logical contradictions. The question should be, is it plausible?

Why would the whales circle the ferry if there was not some sort of mystical connection to the tribe? "The proof is in the pudding"...

Proof? I haven't seen any proof, merely wild speculation. What we have here is a causal argument with no underlying warrants. Now what would cause a pod of orcas to circle a ship?

Let's apply Occam's razor which "is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected."

So which is more plausible, the whales were attracted by the spiritual nature of some Indian artifacts on the ship or they were just goofing around like this video shows? Or perhaps they were attracted by the spiritual essence of some video equipment on this small boat?

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Extreme animal cruelty comes wherever there is poverty and desperation.

Not always, many Indian youths engage in dog fighting for prize money. Furthermore, I can't speak for the U.S.A., but many Canadian Indian bands have plenty of money for all sorts of cultural programs, but no money for spay/neuter clinics. The tell us it's not a priority.

It comes from not having a target for your anger and desperation and not having been treated properly yourself. When your beaten up by your parents who are dope fiends and drunks and shown no affection by them you in turn are going to treat other living beings the same.

So what happened to the Seven Grandfather teachings all this noble guardians of Mother Earth mythology?

I've seen this vicious cycle many times and help out with a tribal summer camp to try to stop it, including introducing kids to my horses dogs and cats and giving them proper support so they are not angry and emotionally stunted.

I understand your intentions and sincerely wish you the best of luck in your success. My gripe is not so much the perpetrators of animal cruelty but with the Native politicians and non-native government officials who turn a blind eye to this problem. Here's one of the cases I'm working on. It's a case of a dog owner who keeps getting dogs and chaining them up their entire lives, letting them lie in their frozen feces and urine and watch their health deteriorate without seeking medical attention, until they die on the end of their chain and then get a new dog. This has been going on for years in full view of the public. When it finally makes the news, the chief acts all surprised and wonders why people post on facebook instead of coming to "the source", meaning his office. The chiefs act like dictators in a 3rd world country, accountable to no one.

http://northernontar...aylistPageNum=1

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Not always, many Indian youths engage in dog fighting for prize money. Furthermore, I can't speak for the U.S.A., but many Canadian Indian bands have plenty of money for all sorts of cultural programs, but no money for spay/neuter clinics. The tell us it's not a priority.

So what happened to the Seven Grandfather teachings all this noble guardians of Mother Earth mythology?

I understand your intentions and sincerely wish you the best of luck in your success. My gripe is not so much the perpetrators of animal cruelty but with the Native politicians and non-native government officials who turn a blind eye to this problem. Here's one of the cases I'm working on. It's a case of a dog owner who keeps getting dogs and chaining them up their entire lives, letting them lie in their frozen feces and urine and watch their health deteriorate without seeking medical attention, until they die on the end of their chain and then get a new dog. This has been going on for years in full view of the public. When it finally makes the news, the chief acts all surprised and wonders why people post on facebook instead of coming to "the source", meaning his office. The chiefs act like dictators in a 3rd world country, accountable to no one.

http://northernontar...aylistPageNum=1

I don't disagree with you on any of these points. :yes:

I'm Nanticoke. We suffered cultural destruction a long time ago. I'm Quaker and many of us are Quaker or Methodist. The only NDN spirituality is that A.I.M -Crowdog Pan-Indian crap. Although I working to fix that. There is also a dog fighting culture among us too. Which I'm also working to fix.

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