Chile UFO Files

[psyche101]

I bet my butt that even if all the governments/countries on this planet started investigating the UFO enigma, and came up with nothing, the believers would cry cover-up. Not for a second would they even consider that - We are not being visited.

Of course it is a load of crap, just hyped up junk, everyone says the people in the USAF have the truth held back from them, yet here, the most credulous of the credulous openly admits there is no such restriction in Chile. Yet they do not seem to be making any inroads at all, the US has come up with Plasmas, Earthlights, Sprites and piezo tectonic theory, so it seem those who are suppressed are the only ones getting anywhere, whilst some remain affixed in superstition and claim any attempts at rationalization heresy.

You are completely right, even now, as we begin to realise that mundane explanations exist for these amazing happenings, Zoser claims it is evil, should be avoided, and has labelled learning as "college mind conditioning" which will indeed appeal to angsty teens and possible a contingent of emos. But surely not to anyone who actually can use their brain. Real knowledge demystifying the world, but some prefer it remain shrouded in mystery, and quite honestly, I can only see that action as nefarious.

Not that I want anything to do with your Butt, ever, and I do mean that in the nicest possible way.

[seeder]

Images of the El Bosque air base UFO in 2010 that skeptics thought was a bug.

The object was captured on more than one camera.

Full analysis and discussion can be found here:

http://thehoaxkiller....php?topic=52.0

Bolded, I fixed that link for you. It WAS bugs, and Ive had the same conversation with you here before

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ETA source

http://thehoaxkiller....php?topic=52.0

This real bug was filmed at the very day of the flybys at El Bosque Air Base, by one of the cameras that also filmed the mystery object. (courtesy CEFAA)

Another insect, even closer, filmed by that same camera a few minutes later. (courtesy CEFAA)

http://www.huffingto..._b_1424008.html

Further debunk with LOTS OF animations/vids

http://blog.ufo-blog.com/2012/03/chile-multiple-ufo-update-new-analysis.html

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Edited November 11, 2013 by seeder

[seeder]

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[Hazzard]

Maybe it was a really small alien space ship!?,... You dont know!!

[seeder]

Maybe it was a really small alien space ship!?,... You dont know!!

I reckon they used an abducted and mind controlled ladybird

[zoser]

Bolded, I fixed that link for you. It WAS bugs, and Ive had the same conversation with you here before

ETA source

http://thehoaxkiller....php?topic=52.0

his real bug was filmed at the very day of the flybys at El Bosque Air Base, by one of the cameras that also filmed the mystery object. (courtesy CEFAA)

Another insect, even closer, filmed by that same camera a few minutes later. (courtesy CEFAA)

http://www.huffingto..._b_1424008.html

Further debunk with LOTS OF animations/vids

http://blog.ufo-blog...w-analysis.html

More photoshop quackery.

Do you really think that the Chilean investigators would not have picked up on a hoax if the object had originated on the ground?

Do you really think it would be that simple?

FGS get real and get with the facts of the case. This object was spotted on more than one camera. The object in hoax killer's images looks nothing like these.

Believe in crude scams if you wish.

I'm going with the proper investigation:

Here it is:

Also do you really think it would be possible to track a bug on that ground like that and then see it fly off high into the sky?

No way.

Edited November 11, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

Uh huh, warm blooded bugs eh? Check that first video posted by Zoser.

Just what they always do.

The skeptics are bigger hoaxers than anyone in this game. Beware the skeptics.

[zoser]

To recap the salient details about the El Bosque multiple footage case, Gen. Bermúdez stated in his IUFOC lecture that, “we have studied this case in different ways. First we gave it to the astronomers, who used their own software; second, we gave the film to the air force specialists (FACH’s Aerial Photogrammetric Service). Third, we did our own internal study; we also asked the opinion of Dr. [Richard] Haines and Bruce Maccabee. Maccabee agreed with our astronomers and Richard [Haines] said that there is an unknown aerial phenomenon.”

Final Conclusions & Proposition

After a lecture full of official evidences, both audio and visual, Gen. Bermúdez proceeded to list the conclusions about the UFO phenomenon reached by CEFAA. These are:

The Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon characterized as UFO is real and it is present inside and outside the Controlled Air Space.

We do not know what it is and where it came from.

It is necessary to continue studying the phenomenon.

It is necessary to share all the information.

http://www.openminds...lean-style-896/

Edited November 11, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

I reckon they used an abducted and mind controlled ladybird

I think the object on your pictures could well have been a bug or some other image scam. Who knows what people do in their spare time?

It ain't the UFO in the Chilean images though

[Star Man]

First we gave it to the astronomers, who used their own software; second, we gave the film to the air force specialists (FACH’s Aerial Photogrammetric Service). Third, we did our own internal study; we also asked the opinion of Dr. [Richard] Haines and Bruce Maccabee. Maccabee agreed with our astronomers and Richard [Haines] said that there is an unknown aerial phenomenon.”

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I do not think the expert will find out, as they have no such similar information in hand. Even if they find out one day, they would not let you know, because those thing are not the alien’s mechanic craft but more complicate than an alien’s flying saucer......."

this is my early post on my blog about this case.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Star Man

[psyche101]

To recap the salient details about the El Bosque multiple footage case, Gen. Bermúdez stated in his IUFOC lecture that, “we have studied this case in different ways. First we gave it to the astronomers, who used their own software; second, we gave the film to the air force specialists (FACH’s Aerial Photogrammetric Service). Third, we did our own internal study; we also asked the opinion of Dr. [Richard] Haines and Bruce Maccabee. Maccabee agreed with our astronomers and Richard [Haines] said that there is an unknown aerial phenomenon.”

Final Conclusions & Proposition

After a lecture full of official evidences, both audio and visual, Gen. Bermúdez proceeded to list the conclusions about the UFO phenomenon reached by CEFAA. These are:

The Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon characterized as UFO is real and it is present inside and outside the Controlled Air Space.

We do not know what it is and where it came from.

It is necessary to continue studying the phenomenon.

It is necessary to share all the information.

http://www.openminds...lean-style-896/

I do not disagree with any part of that, and the article does not say this is ET. It says it is not a typical object associated with UFO's, which does not mean alien by any means, particularly for something no bigger than 5-10 meters.

Yes, research should continue, do you know what that is though? These people do not scour YT for days on end and get excited over TV programs who manipulate other people's words.

[psyche101]

Now that Chile has offered complete transparency, we should have the answer very soon if the alleged cover up's actually happened and held back information.

Damn good to see. Sadly, it won't slow the woo woo train though. But I feel they are about to get some info they did not want.

What's the bet that Chile will be regarded as covering up Aliens next? Even with the admission of total transparency?

Maybe it was a really small alien space ship!?,... You dont know!!

Best estimates are still only 5-10 metres according to the Open Minds article referenced.

[ChrLzs]

My question to you - are all those people lying?

If your research/analysis leads you to conclude that lying is the only reason for a testimony to be in error, then I think you need to change your hobby. Do you want me to provide you with a list of all the other reasons?

And do you know which logical fallacies you are guilty of, just in that one question? You could start here..

[Star Man]

Unfortunately, we'll probably never know what it was.

If it was an experimental vehicle developed by the Skunk Works boys and flown by the Air Force, unlikely they will ever acknowledge it. If it was from a galaxy far, far, away - as the saying goes - well chances are they won't have an encore showing anytime soon to say "yea, it was us, wanna see our cool craft?"

The reason for why they would not let you know is not what you mentioned. Because those objects are belong to another strange world which never discovery by human before.....

Best estimates are still only 5-10 metres according to the Open Minds article referenced.

my estimation only 50 cm to 2 metres

Edited November 13, 2013 by Star Man

[ChrLzs]

Well, duh, no s***.

May I remind you that it was *you* that posted the "s***"... Before continuing, are you referring to the El Bosque thing, or some other?

Either way, please be specific - can you quantify and point to the 'lot of witness testimony? And being 'vetted by numerous sources' - could you explain that 'vetting process' to me in some detail? Were these witnesses interviewed at the scene? How and by who were they questioned and where are the original records of their testimony. If they were not questioned at the site, how and when were they 'rounded up'? How did the vetting make any testimony more valid? Can you give examples of the proven efficacy of this 'vetting' process in past cases? Would you expect cultural differences or psychology to come into play at all? Do 'sudden events' ever bring on copycats? Do you rely on the media to accurately report the event and aftermath? Do you know how many people turn up at LE agencies to 'admit' to crimes as soon as they are publicised?

BTW, if this is the El Bosque thing, I already know most of the answers to the above questions... Whether or not you answer them, I will, in a lot more detail than you are going to like when you hear the truth.

Duh indeed. Everything is so simple, so believable, so unquestionable, so easily accepted by those who so want to believe.

[S2F]

Did you watch any of the vids Zoser posted?

The ones hand picked by zoser himself?

Hmmm, what is the opposite of Midas's touch?

Edited November 13, 2013 by Slave2Fate

[zoser]

May I remind you that it was *you* that posted the "s***"... Before continuing, are you referring to the El Bosque thing, or some other?

Either way, please be specific - can you quantify and point to the 'lot of witness testimony? And being 'vetted by numerous sources' - could you explain that 'vetting process' to me in some detail? Were these witnesses interviewed at the scene? How and by who were they questioned and where are the original records of their testimony. If they were not questioned at the site, how and when were they 'rounded up'? How did the vetting make any testimony more valid? Can you give examples of the proven efficacy of this 'vetting' process in past cases? Would you expect cultural differences or psychology to come into play at all? Do 'sudden events' ever bring on copycats? Do you rely on the media to accurately report the event and aftermath? Do you know how many people turn up at LE agencies to 'admit' to crimes as soon as they are publicised?

BTW, if this is the El Bosque thing, I already know most of the answers to the above questions... Whether or not you answer them, I will, in a lot more detail than you are going to like when you hear the truth.

Duh indeed. Everything is so simple, so believable, so unquestionable, so easily accepted by those who so want to believe.

If you have any clear evidence to offer on the El Bosque UFO then let's all hear it.

Grandstanding won't solve anything or add to anyone's credibility.

Edited November 13, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

The ones hand picked by zoser himself?

Hmmm, what is the opposite of Midas's touch?

Find some alternatives if it be your pleasure. Without fakery preferably.

[JimOberg]

What new Chile UFO stories, specified by date/time and object motion description, are there in this new release? Without such basic information to allow independent checks, how can anybody take such tales seriously?

[zoser]

What new Chile UFO stories, specified by date/time and object motion description, are there in this new release? Without such basic information to allow independent checks, how can anybody take such tales seriously?

Here:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=257575entry4975843

[ChrLzs]

Well duh once more. Did you watch any of the vids Zoser posted? Gawd. Please give me "the truth" then, for I am all ears oh great learned one.

When you answer ANY of the questions, I'll be happy to. So far you haven't even verified you are talking about El Bosque.

I don't debate with people who don't listen.

[ChrLzs]

And while we wait for any further actual contribution to this thread, may I suggest that if anyone hasn't already examined previous threads on El Bosque here and elsewhere (which would indicate your research skills are sub-standard, to be kind), may I immodestly suggest you read this UM post, and the entire thread it is in. Perhaps a quick look here (not my video) might also help:

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It's an INSECT.

I've emailed (very politely) Leslie Kean to ask her to engage in debate and answer all the questions about the way this case has been misrepresented - but she strangely seems to have not received anything (or maybe chooses not to respond - but surely that can't be the reason?). Leslie Kean writes and sells ufo books - any questions?

[DONTEATUS]

Well IF it`s Chile it must be Dinner time ! Nothing helps ones eyes on a cold Chile nite like a Big Bowl of Wolf Brand Chili !

As for E.T. They like theres with chunks of people chunks in it ! Yummy to there Alien tummy`s ! And I bet they have at least three ,so they can eat at Warp speed !

[Sweetpumper]

Wolf Brand Chili !

Gross, dude. I'll make you some real chili.

[Hazzard]

That being said, I don't think there are too many bugs screeching along at 4,000MPH and leaving heat signature trails along the way.

Absolutely not,... why would you even say such a stupid thing?