Israel

[+joc]

Sorry I don't trust you as a source to dictate to me about "most rockets".

Palestinians need rifles, anti-aircraft weapons, anti-armor weapons, mines, improvised explosive devices, night vision, the needs list goes on and on. They don't have rifles that's why they have to resort to homemade/improvised Katyusha rockets.

How Palestinians are fighting back is irrelevant. They're fighting back how they can. If they were fighting back in some other different way, what's the difference? Either we agree with the illegal actions that are being done to them and think they shouldn't fight back, or we disagree with the illegal actions and believe in civil liberties like self-defense.

Iron Dome anti-rocket battery stationed in central Israel

http://www.jpost.com...l-Israel-323758

...at anyrate...I have proven that Palestinians are armed...and they are backed with weapons by Hamas...who is backed by Iran...who is backed by Russia ...who is supported by Obama...

Edited December 1, 2013 by joc

[Babe Ruth]

Does Israel inherit its barbarity from the US, or vice versa?

[+joc]

Does Israel inherit its barbarity from the US, or vice versa?

Humanity is barbaric.

[Yamato]

Iron Dome anti-rocket battery stationed in central Israel

http://www.jpost.com...l-Israel-323758

...at anyrate...I have proven that Palestinians are armed...and they are backed with weapons by Hamas...who is backed by Iran...who is backed by Russia ...who is supported by Obama...

Yeah we're all armed, aren't we? What are you now? A gun hating liberal too?

[+joc]

Yeah we're all armed, aren't we? What are you now? A gun hating liberal too?

What I am now is what I have been...an individual interested in the truth...and I just pointed out an obvious non-truth of yours...and so...you want to call me more names. Go ahead...like I care...

...just remember though...this is all Cyber Space..in the REAL world...the following Rule applies:

Sticks and Stones may break my bones...but names will get YOUR ass whipped.

I offer that as free advice just in case you routinely are as rude in real life as you are in CyberSpace.

[Yamato]

What I am now is what I have been...an individual interested in the truth...and I just pointed out an obvious non-truth of yours...and so...you want to call me more names. Go ahead...like I care...

...just remember though...this is all Cyber Space..in the REAL world...the following Rule applies:

Sticks and Stones may break my bones...but names will get YOUR ass whipped.

I offer that as free advice just in case you routinely are as rude in real life as you are in CyberSpace.

What name? Does a gun hating liberal not adequately describe you as you support Israeli force control disarmament of Palestinians? You claim there's a war going on there and you're babbling complaints about homemade rockets?

[+joc]

What name? Does a gun hating liberal not adequately describe you as you support Israeli force control disarmament of Palestinians? You claim there's a war going on there and you're babbling complaints about homemade rockets?

I'm not babbling. The rockets are not homemade. They are quite sophisticated actually. The Palestinians are not unarmed innocent children and youths as you claim.

so...one day I'm a Conservative...the next day I'm a Liberal...or am I a Socialist...

...truth is I'm a Texan...get used to it bud...

Edited December 1, 2013 by joc

[+and-then]

A world full of problems to solve and suffering to relieve, but some Americans are so indoctrinated, where do they want to spend the money on?

We've got to defend this tank from that kid! American Jews and Jews the world over are waking up to this nonsense and aren't going to let Israel steal their identity and paint their good names with these miserable inhuman policies.

This image tells much more than the obvious propaganda you intend. It shows in an instant what the heart of this conflict is about. The hatred being taught to innocents by people who were also raised on it going back generations. It ends badly - hatred always does.

[Yamato]

I'm not babbling. The rockets are not homemade. They are quite sophisticated actually. The Palestinians are not unarmed innocent children and youths as you claim.

so...one day I'm a Conservative...the next day I'm a Liberal...or am I a Socialist...

...truth is I'm a Texan...get used to it bud...

You're a statist dude. You believe in government force control and the violation of civil liberties. If you were doing to me what Israel is doing to Palestinians, if anyone dared violate my liberty like that, they would be one shamed, sued and sorry statist.

You sling rhetoric like "the US owns it" easier than the likes of the most infamous socialists on this website, even the ones who defend Socialism by name, so that didn't persuade me that you're any manner of fiscal conservative. And you're a card carrying Zionist serving all the greatest kool aid lines, so what does that do to your shredded credibility? You support criminal terrorist bullies. What's to love?

How about heavy artillery, fighter jets, gunships, and tanks, how many of those do the Palestinians have? Zero, zero, zero and zero? But defending against Palestinians is your priority in the world and you think my tax dollars should pay for it? You're crying about rockets because it's something to shoot back; it's the only damned thing they have to shoot. And that's pathetic and wrong and exposes the double standard of your hypocrisy. I don't care how Palestinians defend themselves. If they were using rifles, roadside bombs, heavy artillery, or knives and ropes, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. What part of self defense can you not understand? Your statist global control unit doesn't get to determine what weapons can be used and what weapons can't in war. You claimed it's war. If it's war, then stop your crying.

Hatred and force control should NEVER drive a foreign policy, a lesson you Zionists desperately need to understand.

[Yamato]

This image tells much more than the obvious propaganda you intend. It shows in an instant what the heart of this conflict is about. The hatred being taught to innocents by people who were also raised on it going back generations. It ends badly - hatred always does.

There is nothing more worth hating than tyranny, Zionist.

[+joc]

There is nothing more worth hating than tyranny, Zionist.

...sticks and stones...

[Yamato]

...sticks and stones...

You're so statist you can't even acknowledge a simple statement against tyranny? Unbelievable dude. I showed you made George W. Bush look like a dove a few days ago, and look at you now, really going for broke on the Statist meter.

[+joc]

You're so statist you can't even acknowledge a simple statement against tyranny? Unbelievable dude. I showed you made George W. Bush look like a dove a few days ago, and look at you now, really going for broke on the Statist meter.

...may break my bones...

[+and-then]

There is nothing more worth hating than tyranny, Zionist.

Hate on then and die for the trouble of it. OR learn to live in peace and have your demands looked upon more favorably. You are a hypocrite in that you support any and all means for the Palis to fight what you call oppression. Yet you deny Israel the same right because in your heart you feel they are illegitimate. Support of that hatred will eventually lead to the annihilation of it's source.

[Yamato]

I never said I supported "any and all means". You're putting words in my mouth and making yourself a liar.

There is no "peace" living at the mercy of a violent terrorist state. Even Gandhi advocated violence in self-defense. And Gandhi is more than good enough of a reference for any of you tyranny lovers. The silent presumption of the ZIonist that only the Palestinians must be disarmed submissive pacifists in the world is a deranged hypocrisy I can't adhere to.

You couldn't find hypocrisy in my positiion to save your life. I don't advocate ANYTHING for Palestine that I don't advocate for Israel. I champion single standards that are good enough for EVERYONE INCLUDING PALESTINIANS. This is intellectually impossible for a self-proclaimed Zionist like you to reconcile. You just can't handle fairness like that. You need a flurry of double standards for Israel and when someone challenges your hypocrisy you don't know anything else to do but besmirch them personally and make up lies.

This simple single standard of behavior across all of humanity (LOVE ONE ANOTHER!) really chaffs your rear because you have a severe entitlement complex to other peoples' money where Israel is concerned. I'm tired of paying your welfare and putting a bullseye on my country's forehead for it.

This Zionist nonsense is coming to an end anyway no matter what you think and it's the world Jewry who are tired of being put in bed with this State of Israel they want nothing to do with. People are waking up in this country and you heard it from me first: You are going to lose your federal entitlement.

And I will cheer the day when you statists get served a fiscally conservative lesson, and the amount of federal welfare going out to foreigners becomes zero for EVERYBODY - including Palestinians too OMG

Edited December 2, 2013 by Yamato

[Yamato]

Hate on then and die for the trouble of it. OR learn to live in peace and have your demands looked upon more favorably. You are a hypocrite in that you support any and all means for the Palis to fight what you call oppression. Yet you deny Israel the same right because in your heart you feel they are illegitimate. Support of that hatred will eventually lead to the annihilation of it's source.

Once again you totally misrepresent what I really think. I advocate neutrality. Why can't you understand that? Why can't you agree to a policy of non-interventionism when you think it's all God's will anyway? We're going bankrupt, Einstein. Neutrality is not hate, it's indifference.

I don't deny Israel jack. Search 6,927 posts and find one thing.

Learn how to be a free individual who spends your own money on things that you value in the world yourself. A true belief in the freedom of all individuals is all one needs to agree with me on Israel-Palestine. But don't support bureaucrat central planners in Washington DC spending my tax money on their foreign sweethearts that jeopardizes both my liberty and my security: Don't tread on me.

[+joc]

I don't advocate ANYTHING for Palestine that I don't advocate for Israel. I champion single standards that are good enough for EVERYONE INCLUDING PALESTINIANS.

Then, you would be in favor of Iran arming Palestinians with Nuclear Weapons?

[Frank Merton]

The Palestinians could have pretty much what they want if they were reasonable and behaved; problem is there are enough extremists among them to prevent this. It's kinda like the burglar complaining that having to be in jail is not fair for him because others aren't in jail.

[Yamato]

Then, you would be in favor of Iran arming Palestinians with Nuclear Weapons?

A ridiculous idea, and no, of course not.

Would you be in favor of the US and France arming Israelis with Nuclear Weapons? Of course you would. Yet another double standard revealed.

[+joc]

A ridiculous idea, and no, of course not.

Would you be in favor of the US and France arming Israelis with Nuclear Weapons? Of course you would. Yet another double standard revealed.

We actually tried to Nuclearize Iran since the 50's...Ayatollah Komeini disbanded the effort...otherwise Iran would have nukes by now.

[Yamato]

We actually tried to Nuclearize Iran since the 50's...Ayatollah Komeini disbanded the effort...otherwise Iran would have nukes by now.

Once again conferring with the advocacy of a non-interventionist foreign policy.

[Yamato]

The Palestinians could have pretty much what they want if they were reasonable and behaved; problem is there are enough extremists among them to prevent this. It's kinda like the burglar complaining that having to be in jail is not fair for him because others aren't in jail.

If they were "behaved", it's like Jim Crow all over again.

[SHaYap]

Bet Mr Finkelstein isn't laughing :

On From Time Immemorial

In Finkelstein's doctoral thesis, he examined the claims made in Joan Peters's From Time Immemorial, a best-selling book at the time.

Peters's "history and defense" of Israel deals with the demographic history of Palestine. Demographic studies had tended to assert that the Arab population of Ottoman-controlled Palestine, a 94% majority at the turn of the century, had dwindled towards parity due to massive Zionist immigration. Peters radically challenged this picture by arguing that a substantial part of the Palestinian people were descended from immigrants from other Arab countries from the early 19th century onwards. It followed, for Peters and many of her readers, that the picture of a native Palestinian population overwhelmed by Jewish immigration was little more than propaganda, and that in actuality two almost simultaneous waves of immigration met in what had been a relatively unpopulated land.

Finkelstein asserted that the book was nothing more than what he now calls a "monumental hoax".^[15] He later opined that, while Peters's book received widespread interest and approval in the United States, a scholarly demonstration of its fraudulence and unreliability aroused little attention: "By the end of 1984, From Time Immemorial had...received some two hundred [favorable] notices ... in the United States. The only 'false' notes in this crescendoing chorus of praise were the Journal of Palestine Studies, which ran a highly critical review by Bill Farrell; the small Chicago-based newsweekly In These Times, which published a condensed version of this writer's findings; and Alexander Cockburn, who devoted a series of columns in The Nation exposing the hoax. ... The periodicals in which From Time Immemorial had already been favorably reviewed refused to run any critical correspondence (e.g. The New Republic, The Atlantic Monthly, Commentary). Periodicals that had yet to review the book rejected a manuscript on the subject as of little or no consequence (e.g. The Village Voice, Dissent, The New York Review of Books). Not a single national newspaper or columnist contacted found newsworthy that a best-selling, effusively praised 'study' of the Middle East conflict was a threadbare hoax."^[16]

Noam Chomsky later reminisced: "I warned him, if you follow this, you're going to get in trouble—because you're going to expose the American intellectual community as a gang of frauds, and they are not going to like it, and they're going to destroy you."^[17]

• Norman Finkelstein wiki link
  

~ do care but care for the truth too ... justice is nothing but fermented lies when it does no justice to the truth ...

[+and-then]

Bet Mr Finkelstein isn't laughing :

• Norman Finkelstein wiki link
  

~ do care but care for the truth too ... justice is nothing but fermented lies when it does no justice to the truth ...

Finklestein probably never laughed about anything in his life. And I'm not sure how Chomsky can deign to live in a place that he finds so reprehensible on so many levels. God, is there NOTHING that man doesn't blame America for? A truly unbiased couple of sources you mention there

[SHaYap]

Finklestein probably never laughed about anything in his life. And I'm not sure how Chomsky can deign to live in a place that he finds so reprehensible on so many levels. God, is there NOTHING that man doesn't blame America for? A truly unbiased couple of sources you mention there

Blame America ? If you bothered to read without bias you'll know that it presents the overall and distinctive opinions ... you come out full of bias and you accuse ?

Thanks for revealing your definition of 'bias'

~