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Just the topic, or sub-topic, I was looking for...radar returns.

I've been researching the Minot 1968 UFO case. Those familiar with the case know that a B-52 picked up a radar return that morning while flying over a portion of the ICBM fields due to a visual siting by missile maintenance and security personnel.

Its the radar return that has me somewhat stumped...the B-52H had the ASQ-38 radar configuration with other sub-components. What was captured on the scope photographs to not correspond to any visual observations on the ground or in the cockpit.

Psyche's and others observations of the nature of UFO radar signatures are intriguing to say the least, and may hold the key to my little problem.

I'm willing to start another thread, but really want to focus on the radar return as everything else of the case I'm done with.

Any takers?

Tim!

Good to see you my good man

Where the heck is that case of beer? :lol:;)

I would be honored to join you any any thread you would wish to start. and more than happy to apply anything I can humbly offer to your good and knowledgeable self.

All the best mate, I do hope the festive break was very kind to you friend!!!

Cheers.

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Just the topic, or sub-topic, I was looking for...radar returns.

I've been researching the Minot 1968 UFO case. Those familiar with the case know that a B-52 picked up a radar return that morning while flying over a portion of the ICBM fields due to a visual siting by missile maintenance and security personnel.

Its the radar return that has me somewhat stumped...the B-52H had the ASQ-38 radar configuration with other sub-components. What was captured on the scope photographs to not correspond to any visual observations on the ground or in the cockpit.

Psyche's and others observations of the nature of UFO radar signatures are intriguing to say the least, and may hold the key to my little problem.

I'm willing to start another thread, but really want to focus on the radar return as everything else of the case I'm done with.

Any takers?

Tim,

I am game, but it should probably be in a different thread. Also, you would have to allow me a bit of lenience as I will post as often as I can, but I do tend to drop of for days due to real life work loads. Also, I'd like to familiarize myself with the ASQ-38 in some more detail to understand its various modes, filter capabilities, frequency and power ranges, subsequent signal processing etc.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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Tim!

Good to see you my good man

Where the heck is that case of beer? :lol:;)

I would be honored to join you any any thread you would wish to start. and more than happy to apply anything I can humbly offer to your good and knowledgeable self.

All the best mate, I do hope the festive break was very kind to you friend!!!

Cheers.

All is fine with me and my family, my friend. Thanks for the kind comment on my blog, you should visit often.

Unfortunately, I've found my self forced to drink that beer all by my self...

Your help with my radar issues would be much appreciated from my standpoint.

Tim,

I am game, but it should probably be in a different thread. Also, you would have to allow me a bit of lenience as I will post as often as I can, but I do tend to drop of for days due to real life work loads. Also, I'd like to familiarize myself with the ASQ-38 in some more detail to understand its various modes, filter capabilities, frequency and power ranges, subsequent signal processing etc.

Cheers,

Badeskov

I'll start a new thread. I'll provide what I've come across concerning the ASQ-38, as well as the on board doppler radar. I'll provide more background info in the new thread. I'll start it sometime tomorrow as its late in the evening my time (Southern California)

Time is of no importance so we can take the topic slow and easy...

Best regards,

Tim

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All is fine with me and my family, my friend. Thanks for the kind comment on my blog, you should visit often.

Unfortunately, I've found my self forced to drink that beer all by my self...

Your help with my radar issues would be much appreciated from my standpoint.

I'll start a new thread. I'll provide what I've come across concerning the ASQ-38, as well as the on board doppler radar. I'll provide more background info in the new thread. I'll start it sometime tomorrow as its late in the evening my time (Southern California)

Time is of no importance so we can take the topic slow and easy...

Best regards,

Tim

That is great Tim. I am in Southern California as well, so yeah, a tad late.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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All is fine with me and my family, my friend. Thanks for the kind comment on my blog, you should visit often.

Unfortunately, I've found my self forced to drink that beer all by my self...

Your help with my radar issues would be much appreciated from my standpoint.

I'll start a new thread. I'll provide what I've come across concerning the ASQ-38, as well as the on board doppler radar. I'll provide more background info in the new thread. I'll start it sometime tomorrow as its late in the evening my time (Southern California)

Time is of no importance so we can take the topic slow and easy...

Best regards,

Tim

All is well, thank you for asking, I will visit the blog more often this year I hope :D Always a great read! Thanks for making it!

Crikey, I forced you to do that all by yourself! Sounds like I better make up for that one day!

Whatever I can contribute, all I promise is my level best mate, I'd be honored to work on any conundrum with you.

Cheers.

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Count me in, Tim - radar isn't exactly my speciality, but I know enough to know what I need to know.. or something like that.. :D

Will await your thread with interest - I might also bring it together with some stuff I'm doing (very half-heartedly..!) on Stephensville..

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Hey Tim,

Good to see you around here!

I have a potential explanation in mind tentatively, but will gladly wait to see if what I'm thinking fits with details. Looking forward to the discussion!

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We all certainly agree with your assertion. Do you accept that there are "flying saucers", disk-shaped craft, metallic craft, ufo's... witnessed, photographed, plotted on radar, and testified to by credible people, operating in our skies?

Do stripes, badges, mayor's chair, etc turn ordinary people into infallible superhumans?

BTW, here are two bits to chew on:

Two anecdotes are useful here. The first concerns the experience of astronomers from the National Radio Astronomy Observatory at Socorro, New Mexico, who accumulated eyewitness descriptions of two very bright meteors with the aim of collecting fragments. The astronomers had the advantage of prior knowledge of the observational properties of the phenomenon being reported. They discovered that memory faded very quickly after such an unusual event. One day after the event, about half the reports already contained substantial errors, and this fraction increased to about 75% after 3 days and 90% after 4. After 5 days, people reported more imagination than truth, and were evidently reconstructing in their imagination an event based on a vague recollection of what had happened.

Although estimates of the duration of the event were mostly very accurate, perception of the color of the meteors was very unreliable, with almost all colors being reported. Speeds were generally grossly overestimated, and altazimuth positions were very poorly judged. As often happens in reports of meteors, many witnesses claimed to have heard a loud sizzling noise as the meteors passed over, but there is no known physical reason why this would be possible (Drake 1972).

The second concerned the reentry of the Zond-IV satellite in 1968. Many witnesses to this event interpreted and reported their observations in terms of UFOs, and there were descriptions of cigar, rocket, or saucer shapes “flying in formation,” with windows, exhausts, noise, vertical descent, estimated altitude or distance below 20 miles, and reactions of fear exhibited by animals (Hartmann 1969b).

(bolding mine; "Ball Lightning: An Unsolved Problem in Atmospheric Physics", M.Stenhoff, Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers (1999))

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I'll start a new thread. I'll provide what I've come across concerning the ASQ-38, as well as the on board doppler radar. I'll provide more background info in the new thread. I'll start it sometime tomorrow as its late in the evening my time (Southern California)

Yes pls do that as my knowledge about radar technology is very little to zero. :yes:

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I can accept that radar is hardly infallible and 'filters' are used for just such a reason. Things like flocks of birds or even temperature inversions can appear on radar from time to time despite efforts via software and user expertise to filter those returns. I am intrigued by UFO cases with radar returns however I have learned enough over the years to know that not everything that shows up on radar is a physical object or indeed even visible.

I was a radarman (called Operations Specialist or some such now) in the Navy so I guess I qualify as a trained radar operator. Talking with more recent "scope dopes", both civilian and military, pretty much confirms what you said plus one other thing. Under some conditions, what should be a valid contact isn't seen due to various weather conditions with temperature inversions being a prime culprit.

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"I saw a light in the sky, it seemed to be under intelligent control" doesn't mean "ALIENS!" no matter how you cut it or interpret the evidence or statements of witnesses.

ha and heres the thing right... a perhaps typical UFO report says something like... "the UFO was there one second, in the next instant it shot 20 miles east, then sharp impossible u-turn ...and then went 10 miles south, then zoomed up really high, then came back down again to near where I was, then disappeared" :lol:

Whereas aeroplanes, 'definitely' under 'intelligent control' - with 2 pilots and an auto pilot, just fly straight to their destination :tu:

But them super advanced aliens flit about bloody everywhere, and in seconds too...like the pilots are having a fit while holding the joystick. :w00t:

nah, Id expect advanced aliens to come in nice and steady....

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Consensus here seems to be that there are no "flying saucers" (genuine extraterrestrial craft) in our environment. Thanks for your opinions.

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Here's my 2 cents worth: Most are willing to agree that there's some phenomena causing reports of 'flying saucers'. Some think this is really good evidence for ET visitation. Others do not think this is really good evidence for ET visitation. Exactly what this phenomena *is* for certain is currently unknown.

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Consensus here seems to be that there are no "flying saucers" (genuine extraterrestrial craft) in our environment. Thanks for your opinions.

Lilly summed up quite nicely (her 2 cents worth 42 tons of gold).

You may find interesting how differently people described the same event - Kosmos-20 reentry back in 1963 (from J.Oberg's page; its in Russian, but pictures are quite telling). You will find and "formation", and "windows", and "saucer", and many more shapes...

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Considering it is possible to buy a kit to build a soucer like hovercraft out of the back of Popular Mechanics and since there are obviously real pics of saucer like craft from the WWII era, then obviously such craft can and probably do exist. The real arguement is if aliens exist. And also if people reporting UFOs are actually seeing what they think they are seeing. Humans are very prone to see what they want to.

This thread wants to know if people believe/accept that the hardware "flying saucers" exist in our atmosphere, or are they figments of imagination and Wish. Not the hovercraft from Popular Mechanics, not the more recent 'drones'. The old school, up the sky, woo woo "flying saucers" as reported by Kenneth Arnold, et al. Leaving the alien question out of it. I think you said, "they CAN and probably DO" exist. thank you.

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Here's my 2 cents worth: Most are willing to agree that there's some phenomena causing reports of 'flying saucers'. Some think this is really good evidence for ET visitation. Others do not think this is really good evidence for ET visitation. Exactly what this phenomena *is* for certain is currently unknown.

"unknown" for pretty sure. Maybe someone knows? Maybe there's a portion of government that knows, but won't tell? I'd like to stay away from the ET question. Can a volkswagen, or chevrolet, be described as a phenomenon? Lilly, do you have an opinion... are there solid(knock-knock) objects, "flying saucers", metallic disks, operating in our skies? Not hubcaps, drones, hovercraft. or other commonly understood objects.

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I do not know of anyone who has denied SP's sighting, it is what one expects from a genuine encounter, a vague description of something unidentifiable.

This isn't vague! ^_^

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I don't think the space shuttle was emitting balls hundreds of feet above my condo.

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... Lilly, do you have an opinion... are there solid(knock-knock) objects, "flying saucers", metallic disks, operating in our skies? Not hubcaps, drones, hovercraft. or other commonly understood objects.

I have absolutely no idea. While I have seen a UFO (from a distance) I'm quite unable to tell you if it was solid (knock-knock) or something else altogether.

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I have absolutely no idea. While I have seen a UFO (from a distance) I'm quite unable to tell you if it was solid (knock-knock) or something else altogether.

Ok.. you have no opinion.
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This isn't vague! ^_^

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I don't think the space shuttle was emitting balls hundreds of feet above my condo.

You mean metallic balls that appeared after staring at sun (ok, using some occultation screen) for hell knows how long?
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Being serious for a rare moment ...

Several of us "skeptibunkers" have seen things that qualify as UFOs. "Us" because I'm one of them. I can't tell you what I have seen (otherwise it would no longer be unidentified, right?) nor can I say whether the assorted sightings were solid, liquid, gaseous or plasma, only how they appeared. In most cases, I'd have to say they appeared solid with one acting more like a liquid or possibly a dense vapor. At no time, however, was I willing to make the leap of faith to "I don't know therefore it has to be ET." The several times ATC (or whoever I was talking to at the time) asked if I wanted to make a report, I always said that I didn't - that I had no idea what to report. They seemed quite relieved at that response.

Observe. Evaluate (or assess). React. When flying, very often a pilot has a very short amount of time to handle those three activities when encountering a UFO. It's not unusual for it to be less than the amount of time it takes to say them. If the object doesn't disappear in a hurry and has been assessed as not being a threat to the aircraft, only then can further evaluation be made as long as it doesn't interfere with more important tasks like actually flying the airplane. Commercial and military pilots rarely have the luxury of being able to maneuver to ensure it's not a reflection or other mundane visual contact however private pilots do to some degree. Since that is what I was, I was able to eliminate those possibilities in the few "unknown" cases by maneuvering and seeing what the sighting did relative to that.

For Bendigger0, my qualifications to speak as a pilot: I'm a 1000+ hour pilot with over 10% of that in jets. I'm also licensed as an A&P mechanic and ground instructor plus have a BS in AE. Even though I no longer fly I still pay close attention to the sky, day and night.

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Ok.. you have no opinion.

My opinion was that I was looking at something unidentified/unknown (unlike anything I'd ever seen before). Beyond that, I chose (and still choose) not to jump to any conclusions.

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Um, no, i don't think so. If you're referring to the purported "Nazi Saucers", then I'm afraid they're fictitious. And the "saucers" from the 1950s were barely able to hover, let alone fly contrallably.

Yes. Hovering disc like craft... 60 years ago. You can't imagine that some corporation that provides military equipment/vehicles might have improved on such in those 60 years? The saucers I am refering to are all well documented.

Such as this one....

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and this one....

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This thread wants to know if people believe/accept that the hardware "flying saucers" exist in our atmosphere, or are they figments of imagination and Wish. Not the hovercraft from Popular Mechanics, not the more recent 'drones'. The old school, up the sky, woo woo "flying saucers" as reported by Kenneth Arnold, et al. Leaving the alien question out of it. I think you said, "they CAN and probably DO" exist. thank you.

Yep. That is the crux of my post.

As to the old time hovercraft and such, I only meant to infer that if there was such craft 50+ years ago, what can you imagine them having now?

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