Bill Clinton, not surprised if aliens visit

[sinewave]

While not answering your question to BR. This is submitted for consideration. Primates have 48 chromosomes, homo-sapiens 46... what happened? >> http://www.slate.com...relatives_.html <<

For the record, humans are primates. You knew that, right?

Human Chromosome 2:

Since the mid-1800s, biologists have generally shared the belief that all living things descended from a single common ancestor. Based on fossil evidence and comparative anatomy, Charles Darwin proposed that humans and great apes–which include chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans–share a common ancestor that lived several million years ago. More recent research has propped up Darwin's theory of common descent (also called common ancestry): genome analysis reveals the genetic difference between humans and chimps to be less than 2 percent. In other words, humans and chimps have DNA sequences that are greater than 98 percent similar.

While the genetic similarity between human and ape strengthened Darwin's theory, a significant, unexplained discrepancy remained. While great apes all have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), humans have only 46 (23 pairs). If humans and apes shared a common ancestor, shouldn't both have the same number of chromosomes in their cells?

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.

A fundamental part of the process by which science is done involves developing a testable prediction, also known as a hypothesis. Scientists offered two possible explanations for the discrepancy: Either the common ancestor had 24 pairs, and humans carry a fused chromosome; or the ancestor had 23 pairs, and apes carry a split chromosome. Their focused research led them to find a mutation on one human chromosome that explained what had happened.

In 2005, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published results of the tests. It turns out that chromosome 2, which is unique to the human lineage of evolution, emerged as a result of the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion. First, the banding (or dye pattern) of human chromosome 2 closely matches that of two separate chromosomes found in apes (chimp chromosome 2 and an extra chromosome that does not match any other human chromosome). Second, a chromosome normally has one centromere, or central point at which a chromosome's two identical strands are joined. Yet remnants of a second, presumably inactive centromere can be found on human chromosome 2. And third, whereas a normal chromosome has readily identifiable, repeating DNA sequences called telomeres at both ends, chromosome 2 also has telomere sequences not only at both ends but also in the middle.

Some people use this chromosomal difference to support the notion of intentional "gene-splicing" by some extra-terrestrial influence. While that supposition is a hard sell... it is interesting that some interpretations of the early Sumerian writings, do indicate such a genetic manipulation. >><<

There is a difference in the number of chromosomes therefore aliens? Really? Yes, that is a very hard sell.

By some interpretations I assume you mean fringe interpretations.

[bendigger0]

For the record, humans are primates. You knew that, right?

There is a difference in the number of chromosomes therefore aliens? Really? Yes, that is a very hard sell.

By some interpretations I assume you mean fringe interpretations.

Galileo was "fringe" also... as was Copernicus, etc, etc.

[zoser]

Galileo was "fringe" also... as was Copernicus, etc, etc.

As was Tesla even.

[badeskov]

Galileo was "fringe" also... as was Copernicus, etc, etc.

Not in the modern sense of the word, they went where the evidence took them, not where belief took them.

[Hugh]

Not in the modern sense of the word, they went where the evidence took them, not where belief took them.

That's a great point.

But it's funny how someone with a really radical idea is looked at as crazy sometimes at the start, but later on is realized to be truly a genius for seeing something in a new way that no one else did at the time.

[badeskov]

As was Tesla even.

The fellow was hopping mad in his later years..

[Lilly]

The fellow was hopping mad in his later years..

Having a high IQ doesn't mean a person has to be mentally sound.

[badeskov]

Having a high IQ doesn't mean a person has to be mentally sound.

Nope! The line between genius and madness is pretty thin.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[psyche101]

Do you know what a hypothesis is? They admitted that right up front, and admitted that there was no way their hypothesis could be proved. Still, it is a plausible explanation for the origin of what biologists called "junk DNA" back when I was studying biology in 1965.

It WAS in the news during that time frame. I talked to several people, real people, not internet personae, who also read the story.

Do you know what being proven wrong is?

Most FTB's seems to be oblivious and usually spout out of date material to prove a point that does not exist.

[S2F]

Nope! The line between genius and madness is pretty thin.

Cheers,

Badeskov

The only difference between genius and madness is success.

[psyche101]

While not answering your question to BR. This is submitted for consideration. Primates have 48 chromosomes, homo-sapiens 46... what happened? >> http://www.slate.com...relatives_.html <<

Human Chromosome 2:

Since the mid-1800s, biologists have generally shared the belief that all living things descended from a single common ancestor. Based on fossil evidence and comparative anatomy, Charles Darwin proposed that humans and great apes–which include chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans–share a common ancestor that lived several million years ago. More recent research has propped up Darwin's theory of common descent (also called common ancestry): genome analysis reveals the genetic difference between humans and chimps to be less than 2 percent. In other words, humans and chimps have DNA sequences that are greater than 98 percent similar.

While the genetic similarity between human and ape strengthened Darwin's theory, a significant, unexplained discrepancy remained. While great apes all have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), humans have only 46 (23 pairs). If humans and apes shared a common ancestor, shouldn't both have the same number of chromosomes in their cells?

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.

A fundamental part of the process by which science is done involves developing a testable prediction, also known as a hypothesis. Scientists offered two possible explanations for the discrepancy: Either the common ancestor had 24 pairs, and humans carry a fused chromosome; or the ancestor had 23 pairs, and apes carry a split chromosome. Their focused research led them to find a mutation on one human chromosome that explained what had happened.

In 2005, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published results of the tests. It turns out that chromosome 2, which is unique to the human lineage of evolution, emerged as a result of the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion. First, the banding (or dye pattern) of human chromosome 2 closely matches that of two separate chromosomes found in apes (chimp chromosome 2 and an extra chromosome that does not match any other human chromosome). Second, a chromosome normally has one centromere, or central point at which a chromosome's two identical strands are joined. Yet remnants of a second, presumably inactive centromere can be found on human chromosome 2. And third, whereas a normal chromosome has readily identifiable, repeating DNA sequences called telomeres at both ends, chromosome 2 also has telomere sequences not only at both ends but also in the middle.

Some people use this chromosomal difference to support the notion of intentional "gene-splicing" by some extra-terrestrial influence. While that supposition is a hard sell... it is interesting that some interpretations of the early Sumerian writings, do indicate such a genetic manipulation. >><<

You don't know the difference between Genes and Chromosomes do you. A gene is located on a chromosome.

Did you know a Goldfish has 94 Chromosomes? A Toucan has 106!!!

We started out with the same amount of Chromosomes as Chimps about 5 million years ago. Since then, the genomes have changed, which results in some parts being lost, and some new ones formed. This is how Chromosomes are fused or broken apart and human Chromosome 2 just happens to resemble two smaller chromosomes found in Chimps. Human chromosome 2 could be a combination of the two chimp chromosomes or it could have broken in two in chimps. No matter which, this explains why chimps have two more chromosomes than humans. That answers to the questions posed above lie in the sections of the genome that don't code for genes.

[psyche101]

Thanks for that.

For illustrating little understanding of the subject matter?

Strange.

[psyche101]

Galileo was "fringe" also... as was Copernicus, etc, etc.

Absolute garbage, that was never the case. They relied on that evil demon science, which you hold a cross too as if the very devil himself. That rocked the boats of intuition and witness testimony.

[psyche101]

As was Tesla even.

Fringe is a strong word, even when Tesla was ripped of his nut on pot he still obeyed the laws that you tell us to throw in the bin and burn.

[sinewave]

The fellow was hopping mad in his later years..

Exactly. He believed he caused the Tunguska event.

[Babe Ruth]

That's a great point.

But it's funny how someone with a really radical idea is looked at as crazy sometimes at the start, but later on is realized to be truly a genius for seeing something in a new way that no one else did at the time.

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

[Frank Merton]

I think it possible, even probable, that our culture suffers from "universal deception" not unlike those of earlier times, and that figures a few hundred years from now will look at our science and think how misguided we were.

Maybe, but there is a difference between today's developing science and the religious dogma and even blinded science of the past that gives one hope this may not be the case.

[sinewave]

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

So you must consider yourself a radical? A kind of folksy hero perhaps?

[Merc14]

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

It's funny because we see you as the deceiver in this situation. Afterall, who is pushing half baked theories and teh works of known frauds as real science to the masses? Who calls a light in the sky and interstellar space ship and then condemns all of science to the role of conspirators in a massive cover-up when he is proved solidly wrong? A fool is a fool, not a hero and only a fool ignores the facts to cling to fraudulent beliefs.

Edited April 28, 2014 by Merc14

[scowl]

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.

See the contradiction here? "In fact many mutations are thought to be neutral..." yet the paragraph finishes with "To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans...".

Many mutations can be neutral therefore they don't need any explanation. This is one of them. No need to involve Darwin.

[bendigger0]

Having a high IQ doesn't mean a person has to be mentally sound.

And also... education doesn't enhance native intelligence.

[bendigger0]

Why are some people so heavily invested in the idea that no "flying saucers" exist? Do they really think that all the reports are mis-identifications? Is there a pathological condition that predisposes some folks to an absolute resistance of a paradigm-changing reality? The name calling and ridicule, indulged in here on this forum, is a clue to me that there is a deep-seated psychological component to this entrenched unwillingness to consider the improbable.

[zoser]

Why are some people so heavily invested in the idea that no "flying saucers" exist? Do they really think that all the reports are mis-identifications? Is there a pathological condition that predisposes some folks to an absolute resistance of a paradigm-changing reality? The name calling and ridicule, indulged in here on this forum, is a clue to me that there is a deep-seated psychological component to this entrenched unwillingness to consider the improbable.

Possible ideas:

1) They are heavily affiliated to modern science in some way (they work for a university, museum or some similar institution).

2) Their religion precludes it.

[Babe Ruth]

I think it possible, even probable, that our culture suffers from "universal deception" not unlike those of earlier times, and that figures a few hundred years from now will look at our science and think how misguided we were.

Maybe, but there is a difference between today's developing science and the religious dogma and even blinded science of the past that gives one hope this may not be the case.

There are many today who understand how misguided we are. Present time, not a few hundred years. Obviously, there are some who think that we are brilliant, perceptive and guided properly.

What is the difference between misguided and indoctrinated?

[scowl]

Why are some people so heavily invested in the idea that no "flying saucers" exist?

We're divested in the idea that "flying saucers" do exist. Many of us grew up reading UFO books and were certain that it was only a matter of time before the mystery would be solved...

Do they really think that all the reports are mis-identifications?

...and after decades of investigations, misidentifications have been the best explanation for most UFO reports. If we've learned anything, it's that people are very easily fooled by what they see when they see something in the sky and they're even worse at describing what they saw the next day.

Is there a pathological condition that predisposes some folks to an absolute resistance of a paradigm-changing reality?

What's the condition when people want this science fiction reality to exist when there is no evidence that does exist?

The name calling and ridicule, indulged in here on this forum, is a clue to me that there is a deep-seated psychological component to this entrenched unwillingness to consider the improbable.

You mean like calling people "skeptics"? We're not the ones who need your amateur psychoanalysis.