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Women May Get Right To Fight On Front Line

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The British Army is "seriously considering" lifting its ban on women serving in combat roles in line with other countries such as the US, the Chief of the General Staff has said.

General Sir Peter Wall told The Sunday Times he wanted to show women that the army was "open to" women and an equal opportunities employer.

http://news.sky.com/...t-on-front-line

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The British Army is "seriously considering" lifting its ban on women serving in combat roles in line with other countries such as the US, the Chief of the General Staff has said.

General Sir Peter Wall told The Sunday Times he wanted to show women that the army was "open to" women and an equal opportunities employer.

http://news.sky.com/...t-on-front-line

Well how very noble of him!

Most of the rest of the world have moved with the times, you would think the military (the protectors) would have done the same already. But it says "seriously considering"....................BUT:

There should be no risks now for men or women on the front lines, not now they have this £1.1m robot...........what a bargain!!!

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=264714

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Women have proven their capability in Combat in other Armies around the globe.

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It's not just the capability of the females, it's also the distraction it causes to the men. You don't want distractions on the front lines.

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It worked for the Red Army against the Nazis,I haven't got a problem with it.

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Women have been trained for combat but never allowed to be on the front line. Women haven't been allowed to join a rifle squad faction in the British army either. I wonder if that's also changed? They should stamp out the bullying against female members tool.

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I see no problem.

soldiers should be placed according to how far they can throw a hand grenade.

the less you can throw it, the closer to the front line.

sound fair?

Ya.

(You'd never hear the end of it)

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It worked for the Red Army against the Nazis,I haven't got a problem with it.

From what I understand of women fighting in the Red army, of which I could be mistaken, is that while they fought in small numbers it was never as front line assault type troops but instead as pilots, snipers, and other support type roles.

As for women being allowed to fight today on the front lines I am not against it as long as they pass the same requirements as the men, but I am highly cautious of such a move. There are serious implications that need to be thought threw, like will the units be segregated on sex or not, some Israeli studies have shown having mixed sex combat units is less then ideal. There are other considerations too but I don't have time to list them.

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Works for the Canadian Army. We have all trades open to women. Enlisted or with a Queen's Commission.

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Till now young boys were dying because older people ( polititians ) cant find a way to settle their 'misunderstandings'. Now it seems young ladies will get the chance to die for 'greater good'.

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Works for the Canadian Army. We have all trades open to women. Enlisted or with a Queen's Commission.

Do you know any females in the Infantry? Anyways, it seems submarines are still verboten! Only one last barrier to full equality and emancipation of our sisters-in-arms! What a load of PC crap, only in Canada.

"All military occupations were open to women in 1989, with the exception of submarine service, which opened in 2000. Throughout the 1990s, the introduction of women into the combat arms increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent."

"increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent" Do they believe their own propaganda? Females are flocking to join the military now that the patriarchal, chauvinistic, sexist regulations have been changed?

"All members of the CAF must have a clear understanding of employment equity and diversity and how it can benefit the organization. All personnel receive awareness training and/or information sessions throughout their career and have direct contact through their chain of command to the latest information on the subject of Employment Equity and diversity. The Department is also conducting a needs analysis to determine the best way for staff to deliver diversity training to all CAF members."

More PC crap !

So, I still wanna know how many female riflemen/riflewomen saw action in Afghanistan?

http://www.forces.gc...forces/hie8w7rm

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It's not just the capability of the females, it's also the distraction it causes to the men. You don't want distractions on the front lines.

Or easily distracted men who can't perform their task.
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Do you know any females in the Infantry? Anyways, it seems submarines are still verboten! Only one last barrier to full equality and emancipation of our sisters-in-arms! What a load of PC crap, only in Canada.

"All military occupations were open to women in 1989, with the exception of submarine service, which opened in 2000. Throughout the 1990s, the introduction of women into the combat arms increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent."

"increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent" Do they believe their own propaganda? Females are flocking to join the military now that the patriarchal, chauvinistic, sexist regulations have been changed?

"All members of the CAF must have a clear understanding of employment equity and diversity and how it can benefit the organization. All personnel receive awareness training and/or information sessions throughout their career and have direct contact through their chain of command to the latest information on the subject of Employment Equity and diversity. The Department is also conducting a needs analysis to determine the best way for staff to deliver diversity training to all CAF members."

More PC crap !

So, I still wanna know how many female riflemen/riflewomen saw action in Afghanistan?

http://www.forces.gc...forces/hie8w7rm

A few, one in the Platoon which I was attached to, others in platoons my friends have worked in or been attached to. I also have met a number of female armoured soldiers and artillery soldiers (we lost a FOO and a Trooper in Afghanistan). As well as Female infantry company commanders, and other female infantry officers above the company commander level.

Women can also serve on Submarines in the Royal Canadian Navy.

Women have served 'on the front lines' for decades, and women have been employed Out side the wire for years in Armies which do not let them serve in the Combat Arm. Women have proven their effectiveness in Combat and in leadership in the Military and are far from a distraction. I have met a female platoon commander who was very well respected by her men.

Can everyone do it? No. I know plenty of men who would not survive the Combat Support, hell even Combat Service Support, let alone the Combat Arm. But I do know that if you can not do the job in the school you will not do the job in the field.

~Thanato

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A few, one in the Platoon which I was attached to,

No disrespect, but you're in a Signals unit are you not? I specifically asked for examples of female riflemen/women.

others in platoons my friends have worked in or been attached to. I also have met a number of female armoured soldiers and artillery soldiers (we lost a FOO and a Trooper in Afghanistan).

Again, no disrespect, but Armour and Artillery is not Infantry.

As well as Female infantry company commanders, and other female infantry officers above the company commander level.

Officers and commanders again do not fit the description. I'm looking for female Infanteers.

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No disrespect, but you're in a Signals unit are you not? I specifically asked for examples of female riflemen/women.

Yes, which is Combat Support, we are able to deploy with or directly support the combat arm. When I was deployed to Afghanistan I was attached to an Infantry Platoon which was doing convoy security. We had a female Corporal in the platoon, who was one of our gunners on the RG's.

Again, no disrespect, but Armour and Artillery is not Infantry.

They are apart of the Combat Arm of the Army. They are front line units. For example Armoured units can be deployed in advance of Infantry or in direct support of infantry. Also well beyond the front as armoured recce.

Officers and commanders again do not fit the description. I'm looking for female Infanteers.

But they are infantry. They are Officers who lead their troops by example and usually from the front in battle. To say an Infantry officer is not an infanteer is to say an infanteer is not a soldier.

A female has to prove her ability to do the job. The majority of people in the jobs of the Infantry can do the job.

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Thanato, yes I am aware of what the combat support roles are. But the title of this thread is about women "fighting" on the front lines. This is the role of the Infantry; "To close with and destroy the enemy". I don't see any Canadian females in this role. Officers, and especially commanders, are not expected to fight, they have better things to do.

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Thanato, yes I am aware of what the combat support roles are. But the title of this thread is about women "fighting" on the front lines. This is the role of the Infantry; "To close with and destroy the enemy". I don't see any Canadian females in this role. Officers, and especially commanders, are not expected to fight, they have better things to do.

We do have few female infantry in the Regular force, far more in the Reserve Force. But as stated I worked with a female infanteer over seas, and there is articles of female infantry in Afghanistan. According to this article http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-combat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/ over 310 Women served in the combat arm including the infantry. During Canada's Combat mission in afghanistan.

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"In Afghanistan, for example, 83 women served in the infantry,"

Well I'll be. I'm not sure if that's progress or not though. Of course, that's just my opinion.

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Is this perceived to be an advance? Have women being pushing for the right to be blown up, shot or hideously mutilated? Just think how much longer the 1914-18 war could have lasted if we could have sent another few million young women to the trenches to die.

Ah civilisation. Still just a theory!

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The main reason women aren't allowed to fight on the front line alongside men isn't because they're unqualified(guns make women a viable combat force, unlike the old days with swords), it is because men will become distracted and make bad choices trying to protect them, and I'm sure there's a few men who will try to rape them. It's just a part of most cultures and human natures. Now if they were to make all female fighting units, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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The main reason women aren't allowed to fight on the front line alongside men isn't because they're unqualified(guns make women a viable combat force, unlike the old days with swords), it is because men will become distracted and make bad choices trying to protect them, and I'm sure there's a few men who will try to rape them. It's just a part of most cultures and human natures. Now if they were to make all female fighting units, I don't see anything wrong with that.

This has not been the case in nations which allow women in combat roles and have been in sustained combat operations.

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Is this perceived to be an advance? Have women being pushing for the right to be blown up, shot or hideously mutilated? Just think how much longer the 1914-18 war could have lasted if we could have sent another few million young women to the trenches to die.

Ah civilisation. Still just a theory!

Women wanted to be on the front line though, so being pushing is the wrong term there

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This has not been the case in nations which allow women in combat roles and have been in sustained combat operations.

Have these countries had women in any large numbers on the front lines, or just small token numbers like the 83 listed above? I've never looked it up so I don't know, but I would be surprised if it worked without years of troops being conditioned to leave a woman they may have a crush on to die if the situation calls for it.

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Have these countries had women in any large numbers on the front lines, or just small token numbers like the 83 listed above? I've never looked it up so I don't know, but I would be surprised if it worked without years of troops being conditioned to leave a woman they may have a crush on to die if the situation calls for it.

Conditioning? We are trained to never leave anyone behind. They arnt token numbers, they are the ones who made it through training.

If a woman can do the job, let them!

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I had my suspicions, and now it's confirmed. This is the reason females should not be allowed in the military.

For such a tiny force that Canada has; "In a report after a months-long investigation, L’actualité claims that five people in the Canadian military community are sexually assaulted every day."

"According to statistics obtained through access to information law, the scathing L’actualité report says military police have received between 134 and 201 complaints of sexual assaults every year since 2000. That averages out to 178 complaints per year. The article says experts agree that hundreds of other cases are ignored. Given that fewer than one in 10 sexual assaults are disclosed to authorities, as estimated by Statistics Canada, that adds up to 1,780 incidents a year in the military, the article concludes, or five per day."

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