Some Guys is Accusing Bryan Singer for Rape

[ambelamba]

This guy, Michael Egan, is bold enough to claim that he was sodomized by many Hollywood moguls. Well, I hope he has a good security team for himself.

There's no way he's making such claim without any backing. And I don't think any ordinary law firm is involved. Some bigger organization wants to topple Hollyweird big time. Well, that's my guess.

This is why I start to suspect that more than a few different secret societies are at odds with each other. There's got to be lesser evil out of them and at least one of those secret societies might want the advancement of mankind without much collateral damage. I mean, a group of relatively good guys who actually care about people.

[SHaYap]

I seem to remember one time there was something like this involving Daddy Bush and his henchmen ~ whatever happened to that kid I wonder ?

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[nosuchthing]

Sadly, this isn't anything new going on in Hollywood. It has occurred within governmental and military ranks as well. If you look into the "Franklin Scandal" you'll come across allegations of sexual abuse against minors that reaches all the way up to people serving in the White House (in the 1980s). Within Hollywood Corey Feldman has spoken out in recent years about the sexual abuse he endured at the hands of well known Hollywood moguls, although he hasn't named any names. Corey Haim is a known victim as well. And within the military ranks there is a scandal involving the lack of prosecution against hundreds of employees that accessed child pornography sites (and upon that search, it appears there's some connection to child day care centers as well).

The mainstream media rarely reports anything about this topic. And when they do bother to do so it's usually done in passing. They'll make brief mentions of it here or there at times, but then they fail to follow through with further reporting on such atrocities. Most people have no idea how widespread the sexual abuse of children amongst these high ranking members of society runs. Most instances tend to involve the abuse of young boys by older men. It's truly disturbing, and it seems little to nothing is ever really done about it. The mainstream media fails to report on it to the extent they should because the people that control such news outlets are either directly involved in these practices or are in association with others that are. It's a dark secret that nobody in a real position of power is willing to expose.

[No Censorship]

The truth will come out one way or the other, and many of us will reserve judgment until all of the facts are known. No outcome would surprise me after the horrid circumstances of recent cases across the pond. As a side note, a woman was nominated for an Oscar for her true-life take on priests who prey on kids. She has a new documentary in the works, but it exposes Hollywood, not the Vatican.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Sadly, this isn't anything new going on in Hollywood. It has occurred within governmental and military ranks as well. If you look into the "Franklin Scandal" you'll come across allegations of sexual abuse against minors that reaches all the way up to people serving in the White House (in the 1980s). Within Hollywood Corey Feldman has spoken out in recent years about the sexual abuse he endured at the hands of well known Hollywood moguls, although he hasn't named any names. Corey Haim is a known victim as well. And within the military ranks there is a scandal involving the lack of prosecution against hundreds of employees that accessed child pornography sites (and upon that search, it appears there's some connection to child day care centers as well).

The mainstream media rarely reports anything about this topic. And when they do bother to do so it's usually done in passing. They'll make brief mentions of it here or there at times, but then they fail to follow through with further reporting on such atrocities. Most people have no idea how widespread the sexual abuse of children amongst these high ranking members of society runs. Most instances tend to involve the abuse of young boys by older men. It's truly disturbing, and it seems little to nothing is ever really done about it. The mainstream media fails to report on it to the extent they should because the people that control such news outlets are either directly involved in these practices or are in association with others that are. It's a dark secret that nobody in a real position of power is willing to expose.

Just sounds like more "satanic panic" nonesense.

Lots of hooting and hollering but no evidence of anything.

[No Censorship]

Just sounds like more "satanic panic" nonesense.

Lots of hooting and hollering but no evidence of anything.

One needs to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to these kinds of things. There's truth to some of the accusations and allegations, although I agree with your view that there are modern versions of witch hunts from time to time. Anyway, one of the Hollywood guys, who attended one of the director's bacchanalias, is a convicted, registered sex offender. I would consider *that* as evidence that there certainly are dangerous pedophiles in the filmmaking industry.

[Rafterman]

It may very well be legit, but it sounds a bit Tawana Brawley to me.

[nosuchthing]

Just sounds like more "satanic panic" nonesense.

Lots of hooting and hollering but no evidence of anything.

A lot of people would have liked to dismiss the "Catholic Sex Abuse Cases" as mere "Satanic Panic nonsense" as well. And considering the abuse was covered-up for decades there likely were a good number of people who did exactly that whenever they heard people come forth with such accusations. If such widespread abuse is known to have occurred within the Catholic church what makes you think it'd be so unlikely to take place within the entertainment industry, military, and political realm?

Have you done much research on the topic, or do you tend to quickly dismiss all such accusations with the "Satanic Panic" label and then move on?

Edited April 22, 2014 by nosuchthing

[rashore]

I don't know if this particular guy's accusations true or not... But I'm willing to bet that yes, there have been men molested and/or raped in Hollywood. The directors couch press has been happening to women since Hollywood has been Hollywood.. Why not men too?

[nosuchthing]

It may very well be legit, but it sounds a bit Tawana Brawley to me.

How so?

[DeWitz]

Hollywood has long been a cesspool of abuse and excess. No vile fumes emanating from that Hole at the Bottom of California would surprise me in the least.

[Insaniac]

Just sounds like more "satanic panic" nonesense.

Lots of hooting and hollering but no evidence of anything.

Of course there's no evidence of anything. Do you expect these criminals to report their own crimes?

A criminal isn't going to shoot himself in the foot by reporting on his own wrongdoings.

[Imaginarynumber1]

A lot of people would have liked to dismiss the "Catholic Sex Abuse Cases" as mere "Satanic Panic nonsense" as well. And considering the abuse was covered-up for decades there likely were a good number of people who did exactly that whenever they heard people come forth with such accusations. If such widespread abuse is known to have occurred within the Catholic church what makes you think it'd be so unlikely to take place within the entertainment industry, military, and political realm?

Have you done much research on the topic, or do you tend to quickly dismiss all such accusations with the "Satanic Panic" label and then move on?

Did I dismiss anything? No. I said it "sounds like". It could very well be true, I don't know, but it SOUNDS LIKE a lot of allegations with no evidence.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Of course there's no evidence of anything. Do you expect these criminals to report their own crimes?

A criminal isn't going to shoot himself in the foot by reporting on his own wrongdoings.

Why would you expect criminals to co!e forward with evidence? I would expect victims.

[nosuchthing]

Why would you expect criminals to come forward with evidence? I would expect victims.

When abuses such as this occur it generally happens to kids in the age range of eleven to sixteen. In certain cases, however, there are abuses to children even younger. When caught in the moment of being sexually abused I doubt most victims, child or otherwise, have the thought to gather evidence running through their minds. Generally, I assume their first thought is to simply escape with their lives.

Beyond that, in instances where the abuse occurs repeatedly and/or is done so by groups of people, they are often threatened with death or death to their loved ones should they tell anyone what is being done to them. In addition to that they have to deal with the sense of shame that often overcomes victims of sexual abuse which results in silence regarding the crimes committed against them. Many victims also fight against the idea that even if they come forward no one will believe them anyhow. This is especially so when the victim is abused by a family member, close friend of the family, and in cases such as this - wealthy, famous, and/or high ranking members of society.

What type of evidence do you believe can reasonably be expected to be gathered by youths being put through such horrific abuse? And in addition to that, do you realize how difficult it is for most adults to come forth with allegations of being sexually abused, let alone expecting children to do the same?

[DecoNoir]

Ok, for those who live outside of the U.S. let me give you a bit of a picture of our entertainment culture: We love, and reward, attention whores. So (to clarify for this, I'm just going to assume Singer is innocent, but I'm not going to actually make a judgement till more evidence comes out) somebody says somebody famous, they will get interviews, probably a couple of deals on the talk show circuit, money all around! Hell, we give reality shows to spoiled Beverly Hills divas with sex tapes! It's as simple as that, we love to distract ourselves with stupid crap. No Satanist, no cabals seeking to destroy Hollywood, none of that.

And I clarify, I don't have a set opinion either way, it's way to early to make a call. Granted, if its true, I'll be extremely disappointing, "The Usual Suspects" and "X-men: First Class" are favorites of mine.

[No Censorship]

It may very well be legit, but it sounds a bit Tawana Brawley to me.

It sounds nothing like that. At least one Hollywood guy, who's a friend of the director, is a *convicted* sexual offender.

[No Censorship]

Ok, for those who live outside of the U.S. let me give you a bit of a picture of our entertainment culture: We love, and reward, attention whores. So (to clarify for this, I'm just going to assume Singer is innocent, but I'm not going to actually make a judgement till more evidence comes out) somebody says somebody famous, they will get interviews, probably a couple of deals on the talk show circuit, money all around! Hell, we give reality shows to spoiled Beverly Hills divas with sex tapes! It's as simple as that, we love to distract ourselves with stupid crap. No Satanist, no cabals seeking to destroy Hollywood, none of that.

And I clarify, I don't have a set opinion either way, it's way to early to make a call. Granted, if its true, I'll be extremely disappointing, "The Usual Suspects" and "X-men: First Class" are favorites of mine.

Give me a break. Not all allegations are simply wild tales with no basis in reality. A rational individual will separate the wheat from the chaff and make sure to look at the evidence in each individual case. They then can reach a fair and firm conclusion. This lawsuit is nothing like the witch hunts of the '80s and '90s. The plaintiff isn't making wild claims of clowns sacrificing giraffes in preschools while cultists in black robes chant incantations. There's a record of abuse among some of the players in the movie biz. That said, Singer shouldn't be tried in the court of public forums.

[DecoNoir]

Give me a break. Not all allegations are simply wild tales with no basis in reality. A rational individual will separate the wheat from the chaff and make sure to look at the evidence in each individual case. They then can reach a fair and firm conclusion.

And had you actually read my post as opposed to glancing over it and picking up a few words you'd see that I made the same point.

This lawsuit is nothing like the witch hunts of the '80s and '90s. The plaintiff isn't making wild claims of clowns sacrificing giraffes in preschools while cultists in black robes chant incantations. There's a record of abuse among some of the players in the movie biz. That said, Singer shouldn't be tried in the court of public forums.

And where in my post did I say anything to the negative? I made a point to clarify our popular culture to those who reside in other countries (such as the OP). Of course I know the seedy aspects of Hollywood, as I plan to make a career there.

[No Censorship]

And had you actually read my post as opposed to glancing over it and picking up a few words you'd see that I made the same point.

And where in my post did I say anything to the negative? I made a point to clarify our popular culture to those who reside in other countries (such as the OP). Of course I know the seedy aspects of Hollywood, as I plan to make a career there.

I read your post. It seemed like you diminished or minimized this case by mentioning charlatans and publicity-seekers. It seemed like your post had a dismissive tone to it. I apologize if I read too much into it.

[DecoNoir]

I read your post. It seemed like you diminished or minimized this case by mentioning charlatans and publicity-seekers. It seemed like your post had a dismissive tone to it. I apologize if I read too much into it.

And I quote myself:

So (to clarify for this, I'm just going to assume Singer is innocent, but I'm not going to actually make a judgement till more evidence comes out)

And my closing bit:

And I clarify, I don't have a set opinion either way, it's way to early to make a call.

And I stand by that. So far no trail, not even a modicum of evidence in either direction, just an accusation.

Edit: To further clarify, my dismissive tone is not to the case itself, but more towards the supposition in the OP that the victim is some pawn of a secret cabal trying to ruin the cabal that supposedly run Hollywood. Something I tend to come across a bit to often for my taste.

Edited April 23, 2014 by DecoNoir

[No Censorship]

And I quote myself:

And my closing bit:

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And I stand by that. So far no trail, not even a modicum of evidence in either direction, just an accusation.

Edit: To further clarify, my dismissive tone is not to the case itself, but more towards the supposition in the OP that the victim is some pawn of a secret cabal trying to ruin the cabal that supposedly run Hollywood. Something I tend to come across a bit to often for my taste.

I won't convict or acquit the man on a public forum, but I won't be surprised if he's guilty. One of his pals was convicted of a sex crime that involved minors. That's not the kind of company that most men would keep. As for cabals, they're not all just the stuff of conspiracy theories.

[ambelamba]

Uh, stop fighting, folks.

I have heard about the notoriety of Singer for many years. Gay or Straight, men are pigs.

[No Censorship]

Uh, stop fighting, folks.

I have heard about the notoriety of Singer for many years. Gay or Straight, men are pigs.

No one is fighting, and I don't care if Singer is gay or not (some women are pigs too, and I don't know any grown men who dig teen boys). Anyway, here's a link to an article on the conviction of the director's pal I referenced in my previous post.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-06-14-den-head-pleads_x.htm

If the link fails or if anybody wants more information, google "Mark Collins-Rector".

[nosuchthing]

Bryan Singer sex abuse accuser names three more Hollywood bigwigs in lawsuits

The Nevada actor who publicly accused "X-Men" director Bryan Singer of molesting him when he was 15 sued three other Hollywood figures on Monday claiming they too preyed on him during his vulnerable teenage years.

Michael Egan III, 31, filed the new federal lawsuits in Hawaii against Garth R. Ancier (former head of NBC Entertainment), Gary Wayne Goddard (Broadway producer), and David Alexander Neuman (former Disney Exec.).

Egan and his lawyer, Jeff Herman, who previously represented victims in the molestation lawsuits against Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash, said the three men were allegedly part, along with Singer, of a "sordid sex ring" that "groomed" underage boys to be sexually victimized in the late '90s.

They allegedly attended "notorious parties" in Los Angeles and Hawaii, where underage boys were plied with drugs, alcohol and gifts — and sometimes subjected to violence, according to Egan and his lawyer.

The allegations in the three new lawsuits are similar to the legal action Egan filed against Singer last week.

Egan claims Ancier gave him drug-laced wine on several occasions and forcibly sodomized him as a juvenile. Ancier, 56, helped launch The WB television network in the 1990s and later served as president of NBC Entertainment.

Egan's lawsuit against Goddard, 61, alleges the defendant, a producer of Broadway shows and theme park rides, gave him "mind-altering substances," groped him and forcibly sodomized him.

The suit against Neuman, a former Disney exec, makes the same allegations.

"I wouldn't wish it on any of my worst enemies, to go through what I went through as a child," Egan said at a press conference Monday.

Herman (Egan's attorney) said another alleged victim — a friend of Egan's who was with him at parties where the alleged abuse took place — plans to come forward with similar allegations but suffers from serious medical issues stemming from the abuse, including a past stroke and alcoholism, and has trouble talking.

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Edited April 23, 2014 by nosuchthing