Abductee support group set up in the UK

[zoser]

I have not avoided the testimonials, I have given my thoughts on them

Link please to the gene harvesting which mentions aliens, then I will research .......again.

Start here: an interview with Jacobs,

There are 6 parts to it. report back tomorrow.

Red Ice Radio - Dr. David M. Jacobs - Pt 1 - Alien Abductions & Hybrids

[SpiritWriter]

I have had many weird dreams, even had one once were I WAS the alien, but I know they were dreams and not real, this is were the similarity stops, I do not start thinking it actaully happened.

Did your "dream" seem real at the time, to the point where you can perhaps understand other peoples confusion?

[freetoroam]

6

Start here: an interview with Jacobs,

There are 6 parts to it. report back tomorrow.

Red Ice Radio - Dr. David M. Jacobs - Pt 1 - Alien Abductions & Hybrids

6 parts? Please tell me after 6 parts and all that interviewing and research that they have proof that aliens did abduct them.............before I waste some valuable hours of my time watching youtube videos.

Changing subject a touch:

If there are any English alleged alien abductees reading this, can you please log in and try to convince us we are wrong about the dreams, so far, the Americans alleged abductees (no disrespect to the Americans) have had many years and many opportunities to prove there are aliens visiting them and so far they have all failed, so now the researchers have decided to give the English a go, heres your opportunity.

[freetoroam]

Did your "dream" seem real at the time, to the point where you can perhaps understand other peoples confusion?

Absolutely.

I can understand others Confusion, But can not understand why, when confronted with the facts, they still insist it was real.

[SpiritWriter]

Absolutely.

I can understand others Confusion, But can not understand why, when confronted with the facts, they still insist it was real.

ok... I wondered because its usually people who've experienced it (i've found) that have more apprehension or passion about its non-existence than other people who haven't.

edit: I myself can understand why someone would think it was real if it absolutely seemed real, especially since it happened to so many other people in similar ways.

Edited April 26, 2014 by SpiritWriter

[toast]

Deliberately avoiding the testimonies of hundreds or possibly thousands of people and as well as the chief investigators

who are Hopkins, Jacobs, and Mac.

Now research it properly and stop hiding behind biological jargon.

Deliberately ignoring post #38 and avoiding the procedures of CDC and NASA.

Now research it properly and stop ignoring the truth above your claims.

[little_dreamer]

I think some people are very unhappy and wish to find some meaning in their lives by this phenomenon. It's more than just a bad dream. Bad Dream + Lack of Meaning in Life = Delusions and clinging to the impossible.

[freetoroam]

ok... I wondered because its usually people who've experienced it (i've found) that have more apprehension or passion about its non-existence than other people who haven't.

edit: I myself can understand why someone would think it was real if it absolutely seemed real, especially since it happened to so many other people in similar ways.

People and similar ways is not unusual. the fact they may have never met each other or do not even know the other existed, does not mean they have not seem similar things in the past.

[Hawken]

I would have thought so too, but I recently had a dream about being abducted by aliens, at least I'm almost certain it was a dream. It was so real, and I was so terrified, both during the dream and after, that there's a small part of me that wonders if it was just a dream. The rational part of me believes it was a dream, but my lizard brain isn't so sure. Just thinking or talking about it fills me anxiety, it was so powerful. So I can understand how a person could come to believe that an abduction actually occurred; we're in a dream state, our consciousness is different, we're operating in a different state of awareness, our perceptions are different, our responses and reactions seem more immediate, and it can be very convincing.

I do think that dreams can be conjured up by one's day to day life and planted in their sub-conscious and dream of it.

Many times I have falling asleep on the couch late night with the tv on and I would dream of what program is on tv.

[JesseCuster]

Did your "dream" seem real at the time, to the point where you can perhaps understand other peoples confusion?

I've had night-time halllucinations of various things that have involved combinations of visual, auditory and tactile hallucinations that were so lifelike and real feeling that I totally understand why a lot of people have weird stuff happen in the middle of the night and think it's a genuine paranormal event.

[Erowin]

Have you looked into their claims in detail? Listened to the testimonies? Listened to the diagnoses from John Mac, Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs?

My guess would be No, No , and No.

Start here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=5hc37Zf1oyU

Well, for one I don't believe in alien visitations to Earth. And the fact that being abducted is a cultural thing. Maybe aliens only like Westerners? Aliens are pretty popular in the West, and once that happened people started getting abducted. In Eastern countries, its other night terrors, usually relating to their culture. Scientists even conducted an experiment and managed to prompt an abduction from people just by getting them to lucid dream.

Sleep paralysis has all the same symptoms as abductions, and the only people who feel them are people from countries where aliens are prominent in popular culture. A bit of a strange coincidence.

[sinewave]

Well, for one I don't believe in alien visitations to Earth. And the fact that being abducted is a cultural thing. Maybe aliens only like Westerners? Aliens are pretty popular in the West, and once that happened people started getting abducted. In Eastern countries, its other night terrors, usually relating to their culture. Scientists even conducted an experiment and managed to prompt an abduction from people just by getting them to lucid dream.

Sleep paralysis has all the same symptoms as abductions, and the only people who feel them are people from countries where aliens are prominent in popular culture. A bit of a strange coincidence.

That is correct. Sleep paralysis experiences tend to follow cultural lines. For a very long time, alien abduction stories were almost exclusively an American experience. Mass media over the last 20 years has made it more of a shared experience.

[DemonicCupcake]

Maybe if The Doctor blends himself in with the group, he can get the DL on any impending alien invasions.

[zoser]

Maybe if The Doctor blends himself in with the group, he can get the DL on any impending alien invasions.

It could have already occurred. Watch the movie 'They Live'. It's on youtube. Quite a scary proposition.

If you ask me what is going on, I would say that the phenomena is waning. They have what they want and we are seeing abductions and UFO's generally less and less these days.

[zoser]

6 parts? Please tell me after 6 parts and all that interviewing and research that they have proof that aliens did abduct them.............before I waste some valuable hours of my time watching youtube videos.

Why did I know that you would come back with that?

Herein lies the gap between believers and skeptics. Believers will take the time to listen and read.

That's it.

Edited April 27, 2014 by zoser

[zoser]

Deliberately ignoring post #38 and avoiding the procedures of CDC and NASA.

Now research it properly and stop ignoring the truth above your claims.

The post is meaningless, and shows lack of understanding and inadequate research.

Start with post 51. Look at the testimonies. Listen to what the people are saying and what the researchers are saying.

Anything else is likely to be invention and off topic.

[dr no]

Start here: an interview with Jacobs,

There are 6 parts to it. report back tomorrow.

Red Ice Radio - Dr. David M. Jacobs - Pt 1 - Alien Abductions & Hybrids

While I was under hypnosis, Dr. Jacobs implanted hypnotic suggestions in my mind that I had Multiple Personality Disorder rather than being an “alien abductee”.(3) In addition, he told me to send him my unwashed underpants and not to remember doing it,(4) and suggested that I wear a chastity belt that he would send to me.(5) He gave me post-hypnotic suggestions that I would not remember parts of the hypnosis, and consequently I had no conscious awareness that he had done these things to me until much later when I listened to the recordings of the sessions.

Dr Jacobs (he isn't a medical doctor his phd is in history) is one of the leading lights of the abduction field and judging by this article a highly dubious character

http://www.dysgenics.com/2012/11/24/dangerous-games-false-memories-of-ufo-abduction-a-personal-testimony/

[toast]

The post is meaningless, and shows lack of understanding and inadequate research.

Start with post 51. Look at the testimonies. Listen to what the people are saying and

what the researchers are saying. Anything else is likely to be invention and off topic.

#38 contains more logic than all alien abduction YT cips in total in relation to understanding

and adequate research.

Apropos inadequate research, any serious institution ever confirmed an alien abduction?

Edited April 27, 2014 by toast

[Occult1]

You say mainstream like its a bad thing. Everyone can be deluded even people who are not mentally ill. Before abduction stories can be taken seriously there has to be some evidence outside of the victim's recollections. To date, none exists. Waking state testimony is unreliable enough. Why would anyone be willing to place any credibility on dream state testimony?

That's not what I meant. I say mainstream psychiatrists, refering to the vast majority of specialists that are practicing according to conventional medicine. That's not a bad thing, since it's effective in most cases of mental illnesses. It's a fact that the modern paradigm doesn't recognize a possible legitimacy, or reality to transpersonal or mystic experiences as well as in any claim of abductions by extraterrestrial entities which can perphaps find a correlation with these other type of experiences. These patients are prescribed pills and therapies that often proves to be of no avail as repported by many of them. All of them are basically treated as if they were crazed, epileptic or traumatized by a repressed childhood sexual abuse even if no clear and obvious diagnostic can be established. What they experienced is impossible according to a pure materialistic definition of reality. So, I suppose they must be deemed ''deluded'' even if it should not fit the personality.

Edited April 27, 2014 by sam_comm

[zoser]

Apropos inadequate research, any serious institution ever confirmed an alien abduction?

Has any ever taken an interest?

Touche.

[toast]

Has any ever taken an interest?

Touche.

Should fantasies of ppl with psychologic disorders be subject to the research fields related to astronomy, besides psychology?

[zoser]

Should fantasies of ppl with psychologic disorders ................

How do you know that they are? You have yet to research the matter, Do that first by following the links I have provided.

be subject to the research fields related to astronomy, besides psychology?

Not sure what your getting at.

[toast]

How do you know that they are? You have yet to research the matter, Do that first by following the links I have provided.

Each individual that isn`t the same opinion as you are, get`s invited to "research the matter", thats your matrix, isn`t it?

How should you know that these individuals didn`t researched on a specific matter but came to a conclusion that is

different to your`s?

[zoser]

Each individual that isn`t the same opinion as you are, get`s invited to "research the matter", thats your matrix, isn`t it?

How should you know that these individuals didn`t researched on a specific matter but came to a conclusion that is

different to your`s?

First principle of anything: research the matter before passing an opinion.

Otherwise all one has is mental dandruff which is worthless.

How many famous abduction cases can you name? What were their chief characteristics? What were their similarities?

Edited April 27, 2014 by zoser

[Occult1]

How should you know that these individuals didn`t researched on a specific matter but came to a conclusion that isdifferent to your`s?

As far as I know, the only thorough and serious body of research stretching to more than a decade (which some have tried to stop for whatever reasons, it nearly cost him his job as a tenured professor at Harvard, see: http://www.csicop.or...iles_volume_32/) to have been undertaken in an non-prejudiced yet skeptical manner.

The conclusion of Mack, who is no delusional UFO enthousiasm, is not definitive yet very interesting:

"I would never say, yes, there are aliens taking people. [but] I would say there is a compelling powerful phenomenon here that I can't account for in any other way, that's mysterious. Yet I can't know what it is but it seems to me that it invites a deeper, further inquiry."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.u...ine/4071124.stm

Edited April 27, 2014 by sam_comm