seeder Posted April 27, 2014 #1 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Britain is a 'post-Christian' country says former Archbishop Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph, Rowan Williams said Britain was not a nation of believers and that the era of widespread worship was over. It comes after Prime Minister David Cameron said people in Britain should be confident of its status as "a Christian country". Deputy PM Nick Clegg said the Church and state should be separated. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted April 27, 2014 #2 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Judging from the rise in activity of Muslims I'd say Britain is becoming an Islamic country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr no Posted April 27, 2014 #3 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Judging from the rise in activity of Muslims I'd say Britain is becoming an Islamic country. 4.8 % of the UK is Muslim.25% claim they have no religion.I think its more likely to become an atheist country before a Islamic one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted April 27, 2014 #4 Share Posted April 27, 2014 4.8 % of the UK is Muslim.25% claim they have no religion.I think its more likely to become an atheist country before a Islamic one http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism. It means that people either have issues with the faith of their childhood, or they are looking for something else. "Spiritual bu not religious" a stance often taken by people is no where near being an atheist. In China, Christianity is growing, atheism is dropping. Athism seems to be dying in officially atheistic couriers....times change, culture transform, then they do so again. http://www.billionbibles.org/china/how-many-christians-in-china.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambelamba Posted April 27, 2014 #5 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism. You are absolutely right. I do not conform to conventional religions but am hardly an atheist. Cosmic/Pantheistic Humanist, maybe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted April 27, 2014 #6 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic. http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997 http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0 In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken? http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368 The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair. Edited April 27, 2014 by Marcus Aurelius 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copen Posted April 27, 2014 #7 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I am reading a book by Samuel Gipp "Understandable History of the Bible". He says of the British Empire, "the sun began to set on the British Empire in 1904 when the British Foreign Bible Society changed from the pure Textus Receptus to the Egyptian text collated by Eberhard Nestle." There's a lot of resource references supporting a lot of interesting history of the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambelamba Posted April 27, 2014 #8 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic. http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997 http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0 In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken? http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368 The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair. Secularism will be replaced by.... ...Humanism. (drumroll) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMonkey Posted April 27, 2014 #9 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Secularism will be replaced by.... ...Humanism. (drumroll) Drunkeness in England? Say it ain't so! I'm rather happy that England has become more secular, it wasn't that long ago at all they were castrating and imprisoning homosexuals, a group of which I have both friends and to a degree, role models. Edited April 27, 2014 by HappyMonkey 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbenol Posted April 28, 2014 #10 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic. http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997 http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0 In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken? http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368 The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair. What does any of that have to do with religious belief? The above serves as nothing like evidence for what you're trying to claim - you cannot show that any rise in secularism can be linked to anybody's crappy behaviour. If you look at crime stats for the UK we can see a significant decrease in, for example, violent crime: http://www.theguardi...l-violent-crime https://docs.google....p=sharing#gid=0 Shall we say that the rise of secularism is responsible for this? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almagest Posted April 28, 2014 #11 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think you're equating secularism with statism, Marcus. Not everyone has a deep yearning to worship which, in the absence of God, will lead them worship anything. Especially not something as twisted and corrupt as a Government. I stand in awe of music, and literature and the natural world, but I feel no need to supplicate myself before them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted April 29, 2014 #12 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic. http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997 http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0 In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken? http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368 The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair. Why do we need a bearded old man in the sky to teach us morality? Last time I checked, there are far more believers in prison than non-believers. Perhaps the real issue is that people shouldn't be getting morality instruction from a book written thousands of years ago in the same way we don't consult 1700s medical texts for tips on how to fight cancer. Edited April 29, 2014 by Rafterman 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMountainKid Posted April 29, 2014 #13 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Personally, I'd rather live in a secular society. I don't see much good coming from religious beliefs translated into political agendas. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhen Posted April 29, 2014 #14 Share Posted April 29, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr no Posted April 29, 2014 #15 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism. It means that people either have issues with the faith of their childhood, or they are looking for something else. "Spiritual bu not religious" a stance often taken by people is no where near being an atheist. In China, Christianity is growing, atheism is dropping. Athism seems to be dying in officially atheistic couriers....times change, culture transform, then they do so again. http://www.billionbi...s-in-china.html Christianity is most definitely not growing in Britain in fact to a lot of us it's meaningless.If Labour win the next election we will have an atheist Prime Minister something that wouldn't cause a stir like it would in America In fact this European poll shows 25% of us "don't believe in any sort of spirit,God or life force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe Edited April 29, 2014 by dr no 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted April 29, 2014 #16 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Christianity is most definitely not growing in Britain in fact to a lot of us it's meaningless.If Labour win the next election we will have an atheist Prime Minister something that wouldn't cause a stir like it would in America In fact this European poll shows 25% of us "don't believe in any sort of spirit,God or life force http://en.wikipedia....igion_in_Europe Err last time I heard the Millibands are of Jewish origin,and as far as I know Jews don't do Atheism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr no Posted April 29, 2014 #17 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Err last time I heard the Millibands are of Jewish origin,and as far as I know Jews don't do Atheism. Ed Milliband maybe of Jewish origin but he was brought up in an atheist household and doesn't believe God exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcion Meets E. Sibyl Posted April 29, 2014 #18 Share Posted April 29, 2014 dr no, I just love your avatar! LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMonkey Posted April 29, 2014 #19 Share Posted April 29, 2014 There's the Jewish religion and then there's being culturally Jewish. There are a lot of secular Jews who have no god belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodentraiser Posted April 30, 2014 #20 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I think you could say the same thing about a lot of countries in Europe right now as you could say about Britain. The thing is, most other countries only had one main religion, at the most 2 or 3. Look at the US. How many freaking religions do we have here? I mean, they might all claim to be "Christian", but there's as much difference between a Southern Baptist and a Catholic, a Mormon and a Jehovah's Witness, a Born Again Christian and someone from the Amish faith, as there is between a Christian and an Islamic. If we think people believing in Islam are about 500 years behind the times, then we are still about 100 years behind the times compared to some of the European countries. We still let old religious beliefs rule how we feel about sex, work, morality (or lack thereof), birth control, school, raising children, homosexuals, government, and so many other things other countries have come to terms with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean93 Posted May 1, 2014 #21 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'll have no problem with a majority Muslim population but the moment anyone tries to enforce Sharia Law (as some Muslims already do in the UK), we're going to have a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted May 1, 2014 #22 Share Posted May 1, 2014 It's funny how people who are drunk on God cannot grasp that moderation is a logical concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 1, 2014 #23 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Err last time I heard the Millibands are of Jewish origin,and as far as I know Jews don't do Atheism. But they'll do Christianity, deism, agnosticism, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 1, 2014 #24 Share Posted May 1, 2014 4.8 % of the UK is Muslim.25% claim they have no religion.I think its more likely to become an atheist country before a Islamic one http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom So you consider Atheism a religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 1, 2014 #25 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Why do we need a bearded old man in the sky to teach us morality? Last time I checked, there are far more believers in prison than non-believers. Perhaps the real issue is that people shouldn't be getting morality instruction from a book written thousands of years ago in the same way we don't consult 1700s medical texts for tips on how to fight cancer. You are equating a science with morality. Say what you will about religions but there is zero doubt that in America when church going was more in vogue, citizens in general were better behaved. I've seen the collapse in my lifetime and need no one to tell me this isn't so. People without instructions in moral behavior (from whatever source) are not moral as a default state. Human nature isn't pretty - never has been. I'm not saying religion did not also cause many problems but on the whole it had a civilizing effect at the societal level that is now missing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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