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'A review of available data from around the world has found that there is no link between vaccination and the development of autism or autism spectrum disorders.

The study examined seven sets of data involving more than 1.25 million children and concluded that there was no evidence to support a relationship between common vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough and the development of autism.'

Read on: http://www.news.com....v-1226923177732

The review has been published in the medical journal Vaccine.

Hopefully this will help to sway misled opinion.

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I doubt this will change much. It has been known for years that vaccines do not cause autism, but some prefer sensationalism to science. Most anti vaxers are also scared of science.

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I read somewhere recently that there is a link between older fathers and the chance of having an Autistic child. I think is said something about sperm mutating as the years go by.

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There are plenty who will dismiss this study because it wasn't done by American scientists and doctors.

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There are plenty who will dismiss this study because it wasn't done by American scientists and doctors.

Which is odd considering the whole "vaccines cause autism. " lie was perpetuated by a British "scientist" so he could sell his vaccine.

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No, no, no.... I just can't imagine so many brainless, uneducated, liberal, insipid Hollywood celebrities could be wrong about this. (sarcasm?)

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[ This study demonstrates clearly and unequivocally that ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in vaccines, not only ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish. This work is groundbreaking because little is known about ethyl mercury, and many health authorities have asserted that the mercury found in vaccines is the “safe kind.” This study also delivers a strong rebuke of the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation in 2004 to no longer pursue the mercury-autism connection.]

From the link above : http://avn.org.au/2013/08/studies-supporting-vaccineautism-causation/

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(This is one topic that will briefly bring me out of a sabbatical, given my personal experience with Autism spectrum disorders..)

One sentence efforts like those of jugoso and roger above might be more useful IF they actually offered an educated opinion on the topic of the thread.

First up, roger and jugoso - did you READ and comprehend the article in the OP? What is your opinion of it, and can you point out the flaws in this study of OVER 1.25 million children?

Second, as you have brought up the link from an anti-vaccine site, can you tell us what it is about that site or its links that you find compelling, and why?

Indeed, I invite you to go there and thoroughly read the very first abstract they supply, supposedly showing a link between autism and vaccines. Read it carefully and tell us what you think - would you be kind enough to elaborate on the supposed link? Actually, I'm guessing you won't, so hopefully it will be ok, mods, if I quote just the very first example of a study that supposedly "supports" the autism-from-vaccine stupidity - it does NOT support that stupid claim at all!:

1. Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 80, No. 6, 1611-1617, December 2004 Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, and the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute

ABSTRACT

Background: Autism is a complex neurodevelopmental disorder that usually presents in early childhood and that is thought to be influenced by genetic and environmental factors. Although abnormal metabolism of methionine and homocysteine has been associated with other neurologic diseases, these pathways have not been evaluated in persons with autism.

Objective: The purpose of this study was to evaluate plasma concentrations of metabolites in the methionine transmethylation and transsulfuration pathways in children diagnosed with autism.

Design: Plasma concentrations of methionine, S-adenosylmethionine (SAM), S-adenosylhomocysteine (SAH), adenosine, homocysteine, cystathionine, cysteine, and oxidized and reduced glutathione were measured in 20 children with autism and in 33 control children. On the basis of the abnormal metabolic profile, a targeted nutritional intervention trial with folinic acid, betaine, and methylcobalamin was initiated in a subset of the autistic children.

Results: Relative to the control children, the children with autism had significantly lower baseline plasma concentrations of methionine, SAM, homocysteine, cystathionine, cysteine, and total glutathione and significantly higher concentrations of SAH, adenosine, and oxidized glutathione. This metabolic profile is consistent with impaired capacity for methylation (significantly lower ratio of SAM to SAH) and increased oxidative stress (significantly lower redox ratio of reduced glutathione to oxidized glutathione) in children with autism. The intervention trial was effective in normalizing the metabolic imbalance in the autistic children.

Conclusions: An increased vulnerability to oxidative stress and a decreased capacity for methylation may contribute to the development and clinical manifestation of autism.

The full study is here, and yes, I've read it. Guess what word DOESN'T appear anywhere in it?

Q. 1 Can you point out where the link to vaccines (or even the word 'vaccine') was mentioned or hinted at?

Q. 2 So, what exactly is the link between currently available vaccines and autism, according to this 'study'?

Q. 3 How many children were in the study? (hint - 53, of which only a subset were subsequently tested)

Q. 4. Is that larger or smaller than 1,250,000?

And also, what does the word 'MAY' indicate, in the summary (which, again, doesn't mention vaccines at all)?

But please, show your expertise guys - what is the VERY BEST causal evidence to support the now completely and utterly debunked LIE that autism is in any way caused by vaccines? Is that first one, it? If so, I'll be happy to go through all the big words and explain exactly why it isn't, but I'd rather not waste any of my time if that isn't the VERY BEST evidence.

And surely if you know the topic at all, you will have the very best evidence there to hand, right? So please nominate your favorite study. If it's that first one, then that is really very sad - you really need to post on topics that you understand.

I'll be happy to change my mind if there is compelling evidence - so WHERE IS IT?

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[ This study demonstrates clearly and unequivocally that ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in vaccines, not only ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish. This work is groundbreaking because little is known about ethyl mercury, and many health authorities have asserted that the mercury found in vaccines is the “safe kind.” This study also delivers a strong rebuke of the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation in 2004 to no longer pursue the mercury-autism connection.]

From the link above : http://avn.org.au/20...tism-causation/

Although thiomersal was largely removed from routine infant vaccines by summer 2001 in the U.S.,[6] some vaccines continue to contain non-trace amounts of thiomersal, mainly in multi-dose vaccines targeted against influenza and tetanus.

http://en.wikipedia....sal_controversy

So the mercury was stopped 13 years ago in 2001, but the rates continue to grow. What does that indicate to you? It should indicate that the vaccines are not the cause.

220px-US-autism-6-17-1996-2007.png

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376879/

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I had all my vaccines as a child.

I don't have autism and neither does my wife or my children (who also had all of their vaccines).

The paranoia of vaccines is bringing back childhood killers and cripplers for no good reason but rampaging ignorance and fear.

If you pass on the vaccines for your children and they contract one of these preventable diseases...what will you say to them?

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So the mercury was stopped 13 years ago in 2001, but the rates continue to grow. What does that indicate to you? It should indicate that the vaccines are not the cause.

Apart from that, the miserable, deceitful purveyors of this vaccines-cause-autism excrement rely on their audience being unobservant and uninformed. These are mercury compounds - two different ones. Note how they swapped METHYL mercury for ETHYL mercury in their statement. That's like saying that Sodium Chloride (salt) and Methylene Chloride (liquid - carcinogen and poisonous..) are the same - they are two completely different substances - you don't need to fear chlorine/chloride poisoning when consuming salt...

Jugoso and Roger - will you be coming back to PROPERLY debate this? Or are you in that audience of unobservant, uninformed and gullible people who are being misled by these conspiracy tinfoilhatters who think vaccines are evil.. They are endangering many people's lives with their ignorant rantings and need to be stopped - frankly I'd like to see them prosecuted and liable for anyone who contracts a disease, directly or indirectly, because of their disgraceful tactics.

If anyone wishes to support this vaccine-autism ignorance, I'd suggest they do their homework PROPERLY on this. That doesn't mean Youtube or anti-vaccine sites like the one already busted for telling lies and misrepresenting studies.

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I don't believe that many people understand that correlation =/= causation. Here are a few helpful graphics courtesy Spurious Correlations;

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Apart from that, the miserable, deceitful purveyors of this vaccines-cause-autism excrement rely on their audience being unobservant and uninformed. These are mercury compounds - two different ones. Note how they swapped METHYL mercury for ETHYL mercury in their statement. That's like saying that Sodium Chloride (salt) and Methylene Chloride (liquid - carcinogen and poisonous..) are the same - they are two completely different substances - you don't need to fear chlorine/chloride poisoning when consuming salt...

Jugoso and Roger - will you be coming back to PROPERLY debate this? Or are you in that audience of unobservant, uninformed and gullible people who are being misled by these conspiracy tinfoilhatters who think vaccines are evil.. They are endangering many people's lives with their ignorant rantings and need to be stopped - frankly I'd like to see them prosecuted and liable for anyone who contracts a disease, directly or indirectly, because of their disgraceful tactics.

If anyone wishes to support this vaccine-autism ignorance, I'd suggest they do their homework PROPERLY on this. That doesn't mean Youtube or anti-vaccine sites like the one already busted for telling lies and misrepresenting studies.

I noticed that a lot of those 68 studies were only tangential to the Autism debate. Some were about environmental mercury, which is very different from mercury preservative. It is like they just googled mercury and brain damage and lumped all the studies together. Some of the studies were about allergic reactions to the vaccines, but that has never been denied. But, I guess it is nice to lump in stuff that can't be easily refuted in with the stuff that can.

I looked to see if there was a comprehensive list of studies that refute the autism from vaccines idea, but I could only find individual studies and no list like the Anti-Vaccine people seem to have compiled. I'm sure that there are more then 68 such studies, and probably less of them tangential to the subject.

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It is like they just googled mercury and brain damage and lumped all the studies together.

Yeah, as if that sort of thing ever happens.

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(This is one topic that will briefly bring me out of a sabbatical, given my personal experience with Autism spectrum disorders..)

One sentence efforts like those of jugoso and roger above might be more useful IF they actually offered an educated opinion on the topic of the thread.

First up, roger and jugoso - did you READ and comprehend the article in the OP? What is your opinion of it, and can you point out the flaws in this study of OVER 1.25 million children?

Second, as you have brought up the link from an anti-vaccine site, can you tell us what it is about that site or its links that you find compelling, and why?

Indeed, I invite you to go there and thoroughly read the very first abstract they supply, supposedly showing a link between autism and vaccines. Read it carefully and tell us what you think - would you be kind enough to elaborate on the supposed link? Actually, I'm guessing you won't, so hopefully it will be ok, mods, if I quote just the very first example of a study that supposedly "supports" the autism-from-vaccine stupidity - it does NOT support that stupid claim at all!:

The full study is here, and yes, I've read it. Guess what word DOESN'T appear anywhere in it?

Q. 1 Can you point out where the link to vaccines (or even the word 'vaccine') was mentioned or hinted at?

Q. 2 So, what exactly is the link between currently available vaccines and autism, according to this 'study'?

Q. 3 How many children were in the study? (hint - 53, of which only a subset were subsequently tested)

Q. 4. Is that larger or smaller than 1,250,000?

And also, what does the word 'MAY' indicate, in the summary (which, again, doesn't mention vaccines at all)?

But please, show your expertise guys - what is the VERY BEST causal evidence to support the now completely and utterly debunked LIE that autism is in any way caused by vaccines? Is that first one, it? If so, I'll be happy to go through all the big words and explain exactly why it isn't, but I'd rather not waste any of my time if that isn't the VERY BEST evidence.

And surely if you know the topic at all, you will have the very best evidence there to hand, right? So please nominate your favorite study. If it's that first one, then that is really very sad - you really need to post on topics that you understand.

I'll be happy to change my mind if there is compelling evidence - so WHERE IS IT?

Thank you for saving me the time of compiling an example filled response myself. :)

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What if....

What if the "vaccines cause autism" connection is a psy-op from the New World Order to get people to NOT vaccinate their children? Lots of conspiracy theorists like to believe the New World Order wants to reduce population and control the masses that are left. If you don't vaccinate your children, they will get sick, possibly die or become crippled...win-win for TPTB. As autism can cause emotional detachment and difficulty to communicate, that would be the LAST thing these evil powers would want...hard to control a person like that.

or

What if...Autism is an evolutionary step accelerated by our detachment to society through electronic social media? What if hiding from your neighbors on a computer or smartphone is the cause of this?

See?

I can come up with more outrageous theories if I really put some thought toward it.

All I know is every responsible parent that I personally know that have had their children protected against preventable diseases has not ended up with an autistic child. I am not saying it doesn't happen to others out there, but I can say that none of the friends I have with children have autistic children...

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There are plenty who will dismiss this study because it wasn't done by American scientists and doctors.

There are plenty who will dismiss this study simply because it was done by scientists and doctors - those who only take medical advice from washed up actors, former porn stars, and those with "Mommy Instincts".

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frankly I'd like to see them prosecuted and liable for anyone who contracts a disease, directly or indirectly,

So much for freedom of speech, eh? :unsure2:

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I can't seem to find the study, but I remember reading about a study where they examined every single person in a English village for symptoms of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), including about half the people having been born and raised Before the MMR, or even the measles vaccine, was created. And the conclusion was that the symptoms were not any more pronounced or numerous in the elderly then they were in infants and toddlers. Which meant that there was little chance that vaccines were a major variable in the onset of ASD.

All that has happened in the last decade (The SURGE of ASD diagnoses) is that the requirements for the diagnosis of ASD has been loosened and doctors are more prevalent to diagnose it now. These poor people used to just be labeled as "slow", or "retard", or "idiot", and now are labeled ASD.

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So much for freedom of speech, eh? :unsure2:

So in your opinion you can say anything you like, including LIE about medical research and give 'advice' that WILL (not 'may' - it already has) kill innocent people?

Have you heard the sayings about free speech? Yelling FIRE in a cinema? etc...

Hint - do you understand the word 'responsibility'?

Bavarian Raven, if you wish to defend these irresponsible liars, then do so. Point out the very best research that supports their claim, and lets look at it. I mean let's face it - telling me off for saying that they should be held responsible seems like a pretty obvious ploy to avoid actually discussing the topic. If you know the topic, then perhaps now would be the time to SHOW that, instead of handwaving.

So bring your knowledge here and we'll see if it stands up to scrutiny. I've already quoted these people to show that they have misrepresented studies, so over to you... Read my earlier post and answer the questions.

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I can't seem to find the study, but I remember reading about a study where they examined every single person in a English village for symptoms of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), including about half the people having been born and raised Before the MMR, or even the measles vaccine, was created. And the conclusion was that the symptoms were not any more pronounced or numerous in the elderly then they were in infants and toddlers. Which meant that there was little chance that vaccines were a major variable in the onset of ASD....

Hiya DC. Are you sure it was England? It sounds like this one from Denmark, which was a country-wide study. PDF file, moderately long, but it's an excellent and comprehensive study - well worth reading (something vaccine-haters don't seem to do much of..)...

http://www.safeminds...ry/20021107.pdf

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What if....

What if the "vaccines cause autism" connection is a psy-op from the New World Order to get people to NOT vaccinate their children?

A solution to a problem that doesn't exist. People are easily misled and can be pretty stupid when in large numbers, and like to blame scary things like autism on something tangible like vaccines. That is the beginning and the end - any other explanation (especially one involving almost certainly non-existent government agencies) only serves to muddy the waters.

What if...Autism is an evolutionary step accelerated by our detachment to society through electronic social media? What if hiding from your neighbors on a computer or smartphone is the cause of this?

That's not how evolution works.

All I know is every responsible parent that I personally know that have had their children protected against preventable diseases has not ended up with an autistic child.

Likewise!!

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I can't seem to find the study, but I remember reading about a study where they examined every single person in a English village for symptoms of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), including about half the people having been born and raised Before the MMR, or even the measles vaccine, was created. And the conclusion was that the symptoms were not any more pronounced or numerous in the elderly then they were in infants and toddlers. Which meant that there was little chance that vaccines were a major variable in the onset of ASD.

All that has happened in the last decade (The SURGE of ASD diagnoses) is that the requirements for the diagnosis of ASD has been loosened and doctors are more prevalent to diagnose it now. These poor people used to just be labeled as "slow", or "retard", or "idiot", and now are labeled ASD.

Excellent points - there's also another driving factor, public schools (at least in the US) qualify for greater amounts of Federal and State education dollars the more "special needs" children they enroll.

So what was once simply the "weird kid" is now CHA CHING.

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(This is one topic that will briefly bring me out of a sabbatical, given my personal experience with Autism spectrum disorders..)

One sentence efforts like those of jugoso and roger above might be more useful IF they actually offered an educated opinion on the topic of the thread.

First up, roger and jugoso - did you READ and comprehend the article in the OP? What is your opinion of it, and can you point out the flaws in this study of OVER 1.25 million children?

Second, as you have brought up the link from an anti-vaccine site, can you tell us what it is about that site or its links that you find compelling, and why?

Indeed, I invite you to go there and thoroughly read the very first abstract they supply, supposedly showing a link between autism and vaccines. Read it carefully and tell us what you think - would you be kind enough to elaborate on the supposed link? Actually, I'm guessing you won't, so hopefully it will be ok, mods, if I quote just the very first example of a study that supposedly "supports" the autism-from-vaccine stupidity - it does NOT support that stupid claim at all!:

The full study is here, and yes, I've read it. Guess what word DOESN'T appear anywhere in it?

Q. 1 Can you point out where the link to vaccines (or even the word 'vaccine') was mentioned or hinted at?

Q. 2 So, what exactly is the link between currently available vaccines and autism, according to this 'study'?

Q. 3 How many children were in the study? (hint - 53, of which only a subset were subsequently tested)

Q. 4. Is that larger or smaller than 1,250,000?

And also, what does the word 'MAY' indicate, in the summary (which, again, doesn't mention vaccines at all)?

But please, show your expertise guys - what is the VERY BEST causal evidence to support the now completely and utterly debunked LIE that autism is in any way caused by vaccines? Is that first one, it? If so, I'll be happy to go through all the big words and explain exactly why it isn't, but I'd rather not waste any of my time if that isn't the VERY BEST evidence.

And surely if you know the topic at all, you will have the very best evidence there to hand, right? So please nominate your favorite study. If it's that first one, then that is really very sad - you really need to post on topics that you understand.

I'll be happy to change my mind if there is compelling evidence - so WHERE IS IT?

Yes, you are correct ChrLzs. I glanced at the study quickly and certainly was impressed by the size and amount of data measured. The link I posted jumped out at me and I posted that more to play devil´s advocate rather than saying I believed the studies (which is why I didn´t comment). There have been a large number of threads about vaccinations and, for the record, I have never posted or held the position that those vaccinations cause Autism. Cheers!

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