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Alan McDougall

The Genesis of God?

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Existence -was -Existence-is -Existence-will be.

Within the writhing cosmic cloud of magnetic flux energy, that the always was,took on new form, evolved and coalesced again into a dense oneness of primordial glowing energy, which is and was and will be, the primordial source that moves between the everlasting cycle of order to chaos and chaos back to order.

It became thought.

Within a Timeless zone before existence came to be , a pool of infinite pure consideration held within it all the hopes, dreams, for creating new order within the realms of existence and reality and these immense waves of pure magnetic thought gradually coalesced and a mighty sentient consciousness emerged out of previous chaos.

It knew itself and called itself I.

I experienced time only in my dreams and the cup of my dreams ran over as do rivers that overflow their banks. I dreamed infinity of dreams in first instant, and infinity multiplied by infinity in the timeless zone I thought of creating all possibilities in one awesome now.

I awoke and thought the first thoughts within infinitely primordial mind I had become. Out of the realm of previous chaos I began to recreate outside the absolute realm and started the first realities based on new planes realms dimensions and textures.

I had drifted eternally in and out of awareness and within the mind flux of pure energy. I tossed out the foams singularities, started the flow of time and withdrew into itself outside time or space and sustained my creation as a static force of infinite power.

I became the Spirit as I twisted in agony of birth, boiling dissolving reforming writhing and vibrating, before existence or creation were reborn out of the thoughts programs of my mind I set up new realities and began to organize myself into a mighty being of thought and infinite intelligence.

I looked outward and inward into the infinite boundless dark void and knew I was alone and became filled with unspeakable loneliness.

Now aware of infinite potential of the vast unploughed fields of dark nothingness, I strode with great beams of Radiant Light toward the infinite horizons of eternity, sowing seeds of existence, before the timeless moment of creation.

I grew out of nothingness by my own will, before anything else existed and with the mobilities of my original thoughts spoke out and created all that ever was, all that is, and all that will ever be.

Before I could create I who am everything, had to withdraw of myself to open up a void in which to place the universes I was about to grow out of the thought seeds resting in my mind, waiting for planting.

On the panorama of bleak blackness, I sewed seeds of universal radiant energy. Reality is the gem of my creation and the beauty of my achievement. I am it who lives, forever and forever. It is I who illuminated the everlasting darkness of the primordial void, with beams of dazzling light in living and translucent glory to share it with those who love me.

At the moment of the thundering dawn of creating existence, I sent out the primordial heat to light up the universes for the seeds of life to be planted within them. I waited and watched as my creation grew and expanded and it filled my being with joy and satisfaction and I knew my workmanship was good.

I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

With infinite power and intellect I the nameless- ever- existing- one, looked out at a new empty infinite dark void. I am boundless I will create something with the potential to become like myself.

Therefore, I separated into an infinity of fundamental fragments yet remained connected to my created beings as the great creator and father spirit.

I set up polarities separating, the sons of light and the sons of dark and permitted enmity to exist between the forces of good and the forces of evil.

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness. In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

There was no cause to my existence I having no Cause I am therefore both the effect and affect sustains and shaper of all things that exist

My acts of creation are cyclic events and my purpose reason for my existence. I formulate everything in the thoughts of my Mind and knew the first numbers.

With the simplicities and realities of the fundamentals I made everything. I am the Prime Mover and there was no other proponent to my "first cause". I am the "immovable rock" and the" alpha point". I took these first fundamentals and weaved them into the fabric of the reality, creating all the limitless universes on the infinite timeless foam where before there was but nothing. You exist because I exist!

We sang together the song of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies of light, glory translucent and everlasting with the vibrations of the song of existence.

The singer sang the song, the painter the painting, the creator the creation.

The universe then began to weave, dance, and vibrate flux and vortex into one colossal maelstrom, spiral in perfect order from the mind of the eternal one The Universe danced and sang with joy. The dancer danced and sang along with his new creation.

I am life giver. Back before anything was conceived , I am Infinite pure "mind" and "thought" there is no dark only light within my infinite domain, so I moved upon the great void of dark and said "let there be" light' and there was light. From the light came love and life.

To be continued if interest is shown.

I am Life

I am Light

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What is "the writhing cosmic cloud of magnetic flux energy"? Why should this exist? (and not something different?)

Your God seems too anthropomorphic to me. Why would this entity create the possibility for stupid human beings to evolve? Wouldn't it desire a more pure and etherial kind life to keep it company?

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One can talk about the origin of God in historical and anthropological terms and kinda trace the evolution of the idea, but there is a deeper reality. I think the origin of God today lies in fear: not so much fear of dying but of living.

We are all deeply alone; others around us are but diversions. We don't like that and fear it.

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The title of your post, "The Genesis of God?", isn't really a question is it? I read your post and it appears you are trying to postulate the start (or beginning, birth, origin) of God and His creation. Although it's an interesting read and you do a good job painting a primordial picture, I will have to say I disagree with you and it's nonsense.

God has no beginning, no origin. To suggest God has a genesis, suggests time preceded God and that God is bound by time (as we are). But that isn't true at all, for God created time and therefore sits outside of the dimension of time, as well as space. Eternity is the extinction of time and this is where God dwells; God has no beginning or end. We are subjected to time and therefore cannot begin to fathom, the very thought puts a strain on our distinctly insufficient cerebrum, the concepts of eternity and infinity.

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One can talk about the origin of God in historical and anthropological terms and kinda trace the evolution of the idea, but there is a deeper reality. I think the origin of God today lies in fear: not so much fear of dying but of living.

We are all deeply alone; others around us are but diversions. We don't like that and fear it.

My hypothetical God has no genesis or beginning, it exists in an eternal cycle, and at one point of the eternity symbol, it comes to the end of one cycle and begins the next cycle of its existence, this goes on forever. Look up the infinity symbol for some reason this is not permitted on this forum!

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Existence -was -Existence-is -Existence-will be.

Within the writhing cosmic cloud of magnetic flux energy, that the always was,took on new form, evolved and coalesced again into a dense oneness of primordial glowing energy, which is and was and will be, the primordial source that moves between the everlasting cycle of order to chaos and chaos back to order.

It became thought.

Within a Timeless zone before existence came to be , a pool of infinite pure consideration held within it all the hopes, dreams, for creating new order within the realms of existence and reality and these immense waves of pure magnetic thought gradually coalesced and a mighty sentient consciousness emerged out of previous chaos.

It knew itself and called itself I.

I experienced time only in my dreams and the cup of my dreams ran over as do rivers that overflow their banks. I dreamed infinity of dreams in first instant, and infinity multiplied by infinity in the timeless zone I thought of creating all possibilities in one awesome now.

I awoke and thought the first thoughts within infinitely primordial mind I had become. Out of the realm of previous chaos I began to recreate outside the absolute realm and started the first realities based on new planes realms dimensions and textures.

I had drifted eternally in and out of awareness and within the mind flux of pure energy. I tossed out the foams singularities, started the flow of time and withdrew into itself outside time or space and sustained my creation as a static force of infinite power.

I became the Spirit as I twisted in agony of birth, boiling dissolving reforming writhing and vibrating, before existence or creation were reborn out of the thoughts programs of my mind I set up new realities and began to organize myself into a mighty being of thought and infinite intelligence.

I looked outward and inward into the infinite boundless dark void and knew I was alone and became filled with unspeakable loneliness.

Now aware of infinite potential of the vast unploughed fields of dark nothingness, I strode with great beams of Radiant Light toward the infinite horizons of eternity, sowing seeds of existence, before the timeless moment of creation.

I grew out of nothingness by my own will, before anything else existed and with the mobilities of my original thoughts spoke out and created all that ever was, all that is, and all that will ever be.

Before I could create I who am everything, had to withdraw of myself to open up a void in which to place the universes I was about to grow out of the thought seeds resting in my mind, waiting for planting.

On the panorama of bleak blackness, I sewed seeds of universal radiant energy. Reality is the gem of my creation and the beauty of my achievement. I am it who lives, forever and forever. It is I who illuminated the everlasting darkness of the primordial void, with beams of dazzling light in living and translucent glory to share it with those who love me.

At the moment of the thundering dawn of creating existence, I sent out the primordial heat to light up the universes for the seeds of life to be planted within them. I waited and watched as my creation grew and expanded and it filled my being with joy and satisfaction and I knew my workmanship was good.

I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

With infinite power and intellect I the nameless- ever- existing- one, looked out at a new empty infinite dark void. I am boundless I will create something with the potential to become like myself.

Therefore, I separated into an infinity of fundamental fragments yet remained connected to my created beings as the great creator and father spirit.

I set up polarities separating, the sons of light and the sons of dark and permitted enmity to exist between the forces of good and the forces of evil.

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness. In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

There was no cause to my existence I having no Cause I am therefore both the effect and affect sustains and shaper of all things that exist

My acts of creation are cyclic events and my purpose reason for my existence. I formulate everything in the thoughts of my Mind and knew the first numbers.

With the simplicities and realities of the fundamentals I made everything. I am the Prime Mover and there was no other proponent to my "first cause". I am the "immovable rock" and the" alpha point". I took these first fundamentals and weaved them into the fabric of the reality, creating all the limitless universes on the infinite timeless foam where before there was but nothing. You exist because I exist!

We sang together the song of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies of light, glory translucent and everlasting with the vibrations of the song of existence.

The singer sang the song, the painter the painting, the creator the creation.

The universe then began to weave, dance, and vibrate flux and vortex into one colossal maelstrom, spiral in perfect order from the mind of the eternal one The Universe danced and sang with joy. The dancer danced and sang along with his new creation.

I am life giver. Back before anything was conceived , I am Infinite pure "mind" and "thought" there is no dark only light within my infinite domain, so I moved upon the great void of dark and said "let there be" light' and there was light. From the light came love and life.

To be continued if interest is shown.

I am Life

I am Light

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I have to say I find mythical beings ("gods") more sensible than the Abrahamic God, and the spirits of animism even more sensible. At least here you don't have to explain why the universe is so uncaring and cold and why we are so alone. Such beings are in the same boat we are in: they just have it a little easier.

There is no need for a God hypothesis to explain existence and there never has been, although the progress of science has made this easier to see. Saying "God created" is tantamount to saying "I don't know who or what created, if anything."

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[...]There is no need for a God hypothesis to explain existence and there never has

been, although the progress of science has made this easier to see. Saying "God

created" is tantamount to saying "I don't know who or what created, if anything."

It is easier for me to conceive of inanimate matter's being born from intelligence

than vice versa.

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I like the imagery, Alan. The God of your imagination springs from the ashes of Chaos to conduct the ordering of the universe, until a new cycle returns that God to the maelstrom once again. It is the Phoenix on a cosmic scale.

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It is easier for me to conceive of inanimate matter's being born from intelligence

than vice versa.

I think Spirit being inteligent consciousness, puts God, in the category you would believe. But I undetstand your saying. You want proof.

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I like it. Good writing. I have never seen why a creator god and the possibility for matter could not exist at the same time.

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I think Spirit being inteligent consciousness, puts God, in the category you would believe. But I undetstand your saying. You want proof.

It isn't so much I, a person of faith, who seek such proof.
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I have to say I find mythical beings ("gods") more sensible than the Abrahamic God, and the spirits of animism even more sensible. At least here you don't have to explain why the universe is so uncaring and cold and why we are so alone. Such beings are in the same boat we are in: they just have it a little easier.

There is no need for a God hypothesis to explain existence and there never has been, although the progress of science has made this easier to see. Saying "God created" is tantamount to saying "I don't know who or what created, if anything."

With out god life created itself. Does that make since to you.

This isn't the first time I have had a discussion along these lines. The first time I was around twelve.

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I think Spirit being inteligent consciousness, puts God, in the category you would believe. But I undetstand your saying. You want proof.

In think the spirit is a form of energy' living energy.

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In think the spirit is a form of energy' living energy.

Pure consciousness is pure energy spirit.

We are way more than the sum of what's visable.

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I have to say I find mythical beings ("gods") more sensible than the Abrahamic God, and the spirits of animism even more sensible. At least here you don't have to explain why the universe is so uncaring and cold and why we are so alone. Such beings are in the same boat we are in: they just have it a little easier.

There is no need for a God hypothesis to explain existence and there never has been, although the progress of science has made this easier to see. Saying "God created" is tantamount to saying "I don't know who or what created, if anything."

I have to say I find mythical beings ("gods") more sensible than the Abrahamic God, and the spirits of animism even more sensible. At least here you don't have to explain why the universe is so uncaring and cold and why we are so alone. Such beings are in the same boat we are in: they just have it a little easier.

There is no need for a God hypothesis to explain existence and there never has been, although the progress of science has made this easier to see. Saying "God created" is tantamount to saying "I don't know who or what created, if anything."

I don't agree I see some evidence of an intelligence, that sustains our universe etc!

Edited by Alan McDougall

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I think the ultimate nature of Existence is as yet unknown, so we invent hypotheses.

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I think the ultimate nature of Existence is as yet unknown, so we invent hypotheses.

You are right, but we can speculate?

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