At what odds, a miracle?

[aquatus1]

Football has caused a lot of spinal cord injuries to kids though personally I got hurt more playing basketball

How does a parent (or god) PREVENT lasting harm in any activity which has a risk of lasting harm (which includes almost any normal human activity) without taking away that humans free will?

**rubs eyes tiredly**

Are we really comparing sports injuries to debilitating illnesses? To permanent harm brought about by not participating in dangerous activities?

Walker, I'm not talking about your god anymore, I already told you that. When you have made an unfalsifiable definition, there is no further reason to engage it.

Look, before people tried to change the subject, the point under discussion was the lack of logic involved in being thankful to an authority for not causing them harm. Good parents do not intentionally try to harm their children, nor should they expect thanks for not harming their children. It is an expectation of parenthood that one does not try to harm a child, not an optional choice that one should be thankful was not exercised.

If someone disagrees with the above, then we have a discussion. Otherwise, we are off tangent from the actual topic.

[aka CAT]

**rubs eyes tiredly**

Are we really comparing sports injuries to debilitating illnesses? To permanent harm brought about by not participating in dangerous activities?

Walker, I'm not talking about your god anymore, I already told you that. When you have made an unfalsifiable definition, there is no further reason to engage it.

Look, before people tried to change the subject, the point under discussion was the lack of logic involved in being thankful to an authority for not causing them harm. Good parents do not intentionally try to harm their children, nor should they expect thanks for not harming their children. It is an expectation of parenthood that one does not try to harm a child, not an optional choice that one should be thankful was not exercised.

If someone disagrees with the above, then we have a discussion. Otherwise, we are off tangent from the actual topic.

"Garden of Your MInd" has more to do with miracles

than your god of cruelty, who is more akin to Satan.

The garden of my mind turned out to be tangible.

When I sought it as a private refuge, it was too detailed

to be imaginary and I wasn't alone there. In fact,

a participant in this discussion once perceived it,

albeit differently.

Edited July 17, 2014 by aka CAT

[aka CAT]

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse about it. What children's sports do you know of that are dangerous?

My cousins and I used to take thrill in daring each other to do the scariest things we could imagine.

I used to think I was Evel Knievel on a bicycle. I built ramps at the bottom of steep hills and dared

peddle as fast as I could before lift off.

I regularly dared heights climbing trees and cliffs, from swinging ropes and on diving boards / bridges,

trampolines and gymnastics apparatus and, later, from skeletal high-rises, commercial cranes and

even in a light aircraft plummeting so that I could experience zero gravity.

Edited July 17, 2014 by aka CAT

[aquatus1]

"Garden of Your MInd" has more to do with miracles

than your god of cruelty, who is more akin to Satan.

I don't have a god, cruel or otherwise.

The topic is miracles, how rare they are, and how rare they need to be in order to indicate a supernatural origin.

So far, everything that has been mentioned has been so utterly normal as to be banal.

The garden of my mind turned out to be tangible.

When I sought it as a private refuge, it was too detailed

to be imaginary and I wasn't alone there. In fact,

a participant in this discussion once perceived it,

albeit differently.

Well, if you aren't going to bother with the topic, I suppose we are done here.

[quiXilver]

and then one day you stop....

look around....

and think to yourself...

how did I get here?

[Rlyeh]

Suckers are more common.

[aka CAT]

Suckers are more common.

Cynical fatalists prone to despair are too common.

[aka CAT]

I don't have a god, cruel or otherwise.

The topic is miracles, how rare they are, and how rare they need to be in order to indicate a supernatural origin.

So far, everything that has been mentioned has been so utterly normal as to be banal.

Well, if you aren't going to bother with the topic, I suppose we are done here.

Miracles aren't reducible to a formula.

That is why some people either refuse to

or are incapable of recognizing them.

As this thread is intended for those

whom can, as a however remote possibility,

entertain miracles, you are welcome

to excuse yourself. After all,

if something is inconceivable to one,

he cannot presume expertise

and, therefore, should not dictate

as to what actually is or isn't relevant.

Can I not here address

souls in regard to miracles?

Is that, also, too dangerous?

Isn't that just life?

Edited July 17, 2014 by aka CAT

[aquatus1]

Miracles aren't reducible to a formula.

There is no reason to believe that.

That is why some people either refuse to

or are incapable of recognizing them.

Who here has refused to recognize the existence of miracles?

As this thread is intended for those

whom can, as a however remote possibility,

entertain miracles, you are welcome

to excuse yourself.

I recognize miracles, as does everyone else. I simply don't consider them as evidence of anything supernatural.

After all,

if something is inconceivable to one,

he cannot presume expertise

and, therefore, should not dictate

as to what actually is or isn't relevant.

How relevant are the comments of a person who would rather claims that someone else doesn't understand the subject rather than address the arguments the person made?

Can I not here address

souls in regard to miracles?

Sure. Just don't be surprised when people tell you you are going off topic. If you had mentioned souls being the topic in your OP, none of this would have happened.

Is that, also, too dangerous?

I can't imagine why. We have dozens of threads and two (or more, depending how you count) forums dealing specifically with that topic.

Isn't that just life?

Is it life to consider talking about souls to be dangerous?

No. That's just putting way too much importance on talking about souls. It's like thinking that miracles are something so impossible that they indicate the supernatural, instead of something fairly common among the population.

Just because something is unusual doesn't make it divine.

Edited July 17, 2014 by aquatus1

[rashore]

If souls are a miracle, wouldn't that mean 100% miracle rate for humans at least? Not a billion to one, ten to one, or even one to one... It would happen every single time.

[aka CAT]

Who here has refused to recognize the existence of miracles?

Some are only reluctant, which is well so long as one is open

to fully contemplating wonders. However, to define God as

cruel is to equate Him with Satan and, thus, forsake Grace.

I recognize miracles, as does everyone else. I simply don't consider them as evidence of anything supernatural.

That is a contradiction in itself.

How relevant are the comments of a person who would rather claims that someone else doesn't understand the subject rather than address the arguments the person made?

That may seem so for one bent more upon argument than open discussion.

Sure. Just don't be surprised when people tell you you are going off topic. If you had mentioned souls being the topic in your OP, none of this would have happened.

The reason I have refrained from defining miracles

is because, as hostess of this thread by virtue of

my having started it, I am most interested in others'

ideas about miracles*. Faith inclines me to believe

the more people can recognize the miraculous in

their own lives the greater blessing they may be

to others in helping them do likewise. And, as I

do believe all things are possible with God,

I encourage people to take part in His glory

by working to bring about a new Eden

based upon the Garden whereof men might even

have cellular memory. In fact, I recognize from

other's testimonies the garden, so vivid as to actually

be material. That to me is Divine; even more

so, would be man's seeing beyond opposites

an attainable harmony.

Is it life to consider talking about souls to be dangerous?

No. That's just putting way too much importance on talking about souls. It's like thinking that miracles are something so impossible that they indicate the supernatural, instead of something fairly common among the population.

God can no more be divorced from souls than the miracles He alone gifts them.

Just because something is unusual doesn't make it divine.

This site is proof of as much and this thread, I hope,

will demonstrate miracles no less miraculous

for the correlation between heightened awareness of them,

thankfulness for them, and their abundance.

0:-) MGby.

*My interest in the participants of this thread

inclines leniency toward those as receptive to miracles

as to hearing what other regard miraculous.

Edited July 17, 2014 by aka CAT

[aka CAT]

If souls are a miracle, wouldn't that mean 100% miracle rate for humans at least? Not a billion to one, ten to one, or even one to one... It would happen every single time.

Souls are meant to be a blessing,

a connection to benevolent Creator

that's as reliable as our openness to Him.

Rapport with Him can be miraculous.

[aquatus1]

Some are only reluctant, which is well so long as one is open

to fully contemplating wonders.

In other words, no one has denied the existence miracles, correct?

However, to define God as cruel is to equate Him with Satan and, thus, forsake Grace.

Well, if that bothers you, don't define Him as cruel.

That is a contradiction in itself.

Not at all. It is simply that not everyone requires the supernatural to appreciate the wonder of something unusual.

That may seem so for one bent more upon argument than open discussion.

This statement would have more impact if it actually connected in some for to the statement: "How relevant are the comments of a person who would rather claims that someone else doesn't understand the subject rather than address the arguments the person made?"

The reason I have refrained from defining miracles

is because, as hostess of this thread by virtue of

my having started it, I am most interested in others'

ideas about miracles*.

It sounds more like you are interested in talking about God, and miracles are just an excuse for it.

Faith inclines me to believe

the more people can recognize the miraculous in

their own lives the greater blessing they may be

to others in helping them do likewise.

And yet, when people recognize miracles so often they realize they aren't anything special, you suddenly lose all interest in talking about miracles.

In other words, you were less interested in open discussion, and more interested in talking about God.

Case in point:

And, as I

do believe all things are possible with God,

I encourage people to take part in His glory

by working to bring about a new Eden

based upon the Garden whereof men might even

have cellular memory. In fact, I recognize from

other's testimonies the garden, so vivid as to actually

be material. That to me is Divine; even more

so, would be man's seeing beyond opposites

an attainable harmony.

God can no more be divorced from souls than the miracles He alone gifts them.

Look, you want to talk about God, more power to you. Just be a little more honest about it. And if you want to talk about God without having people disagreeing with your definitions on miracles and such, post in the Spirituality, Religion, and Beliefs forum, not the Spirituality vs Skepticism forum. It is quite literally what it was made for.

[Davros of Skaro]

Cynical fatalists prone to despair are too common.

You mean reasoned individuals that do not use fantasy as a mental crutch.No, fairy tale jockeys breed more.

[aka CAT]

The same I could reply to a few of you:

my interest isn't in argument for argument's sake.

There is no reason to not take me at face value,

insofar as I am sincerely interested in miracles

and, in particular, how they may pertain

to the realization of a new Earth.

My ancestors' having prayed for generations

yet unborn isn't something I dismiss

nor is my praying this and future generations

realize the Garden within themselves.

Humbly, because I yet contemplate it,

I ask you to mull, from post #79, the quote:

"Justice is getting what you deserve.

Mercy is not getting what you deserve.

And grace is getting what you absolutely don't deserve”--

Cathleen Falsani.

To understand the above is to never, again,

blame God, e.g. ironic as it might be that

the previously mentioned risk-taking didn't

result in my being injured, I do not curse

the heavens for how I've weathered storms.

Mixed as is this world, I always find good.

0:-) MGby.

Edited July 18, 2014 by aka CAT

[Mr Walker]

You mean reasoned individuals that do not use fantasy as a mental crutch.No, fairy tale jockeys breed more.

Well naturally. Why would a cynical fatalist thave children? An optimistic believer, on the other hand, might choose to have a dozen.

Also cynical fatalists tend to depression and suicide more than those with a positive spiritual belief, making reproduction impossible.

[aka CAT]

You mean reasoned individuals that do not use fantasy as a mental crutch.No, fairy tale jockeys breed more.

I admire jockeys.

I don't need a crutch. That is, all in all, miraculous even apart

from the fact that well-being motivates me to learn more about

and share information in regard to natural sources of pain relief.

Wellness to all!

Edited July 18, 2014 by aka CAT

[aka CAT]

You mean reasoned individuals that do not use fantasy as a mental crutch.No, fairy tale jockeys breed more.

Let it be fairy tale to you,

but, for now, indulge me:

might you better live a legend?

Oh, tenderer-of-that-which-was-of-Caesar,

leave relic behind!

Edited July 18, 2014 by aka CAT

[aka CAT]

We have touched upon subjects related to conscious choice and grace.

Impressed as I am with the 'twenty-something' author, I recommend,

"Conscious Choice"

Posted by markdohle, 16 July 2014, @ UM

http://www.unexplain...showentry=28986

Edited July 18, 2014 by aka CAT

[Davros of Skaro]

I admire jockeys.

I don't need a crutch. That is, all in all, miraculous even apart

from the fact that well-being motivates me to learn more about

and share information in regard to natural sources of pain relief.

Wellness to all!

You dismiss the power of the mind.

[Davros of Skaro]

Let it be fairy tale to you,

but, for now, indulge me:

might you better live a legend?

Oh, tenderer-of-that-which-was-of-Caesar,

leave relic behind!

If I died and my Soul departed my Body, would I not see the Earth rush away from me?

[aka CAT]

You dismiss the power of the mind.

Premeditation is needful

in decision making

and other kinds of conditioning.

A 'mind-over-body' mentality

better drove me before my head injury.

Less fixed,

I made my peace with change--

the only certainty in life,

which best flows

in the Sacred Heart.

Where no differentiation is made

between mind and soul,

there is only spontaneity, flow.

Much as with timed sports,

practice makes rote

swiftness

by when deliberation is too slow.

Edited July 19, 2014 by aka CAT

[Davros of Skaro]

Premeditation is needful

in decision making

and other kinds of conditioning.

A 'mind-over-body' mentality

better drove me before my head injury.

Less fixed,

I made my peace with change--

the only certainty in life,

which best flows

in the Sacred Heart.

Where no differentiation is made

between mind and soul,

there is only spontaneity, flow.

Much as with timed sports,

practice makes rote

swiftness

by when deliberation is too slow.

Psalms 137:9

[aka CAT]

[NAB] Psalms 137:9

I mistook the post that heads this page as an effort

on your part to make pleasant conversation. That

seemed refreshing enough to possibly be fun, i.e.

until you would be so rude as to liken me to the

"Desolate Daughter Babylon." Why bother?

[aka CAT]

In light of my expressly having envisioned a community

wherein all of the members can be trusted with children,

is it not perverse to introduce the notion of seizing and

dashing them against rocks? Literalism to that extreme

is more than insane and obviously nothing I advocate.

If you be so hateful, please refrain from addressing me.

Edited July 19, 2014 by aka CAT