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A reconstruction of norse cosmology in the form of a mandala .

Midgard (a sort of ark floating on the waters of Khaos) bears a striking resemblance to Atlantis.

in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side. In this mountain there dwelt one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was Evenor, and he had a wife named Leucippe, and they had an only daughter who was called Cleito. The maiden had already reached womanhood, when her father and mother died; Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, inclosed the hill in which she dwelt all round, making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another;

there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant every way from the centre, so that no man could get to the island, for ships and voyages were not as yet.

The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea;

it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction [diagonally] three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia.

This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.

The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work.

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The sons of Bor slew the giant Ymir, but when he fell, there flowed so much blood from his wounds that they drowned therein the whole race of frost-giants; excepting one, who escaped with his household. Him the giants call Bergelmir. He and his wife went on board his lúðr and saved themselves in it. From there are come new races of frost-giants

R. D. Fulk notes that Snorri's Prose Edda account "conflicts with the poetic version, as the [Prose Edda] presents a Noah-like figure, while the latter has Bergelmir laid (lagiðr) in the lúðr, implying he is an infant, as in the Scyld story.

Fulk continues that "the key word here is lúðr, which ought to refer to a flour-bin. To be precise, the object is a box or wooden trough, perhaps on legs, in which the stones of a hand-mill sit [...]. It is true that most glossators assume some meaning other than 'flour-bin' in Vafþrúðnismál and Snorra edda [an alternate name for the Prose Edda], suggesting instead something in the range of 'coffin (or cradle), chest, ark (i.e. boat)'."

High says that the trio took the body into the middle of Ginnungagap and from his flesh fashioned the Earth, from his blood the sea and lakes, from his bones rocks, scree and stones his teeth, molars, and bones. Just-As-High adds that from his gushing wounds they created the sea that surrounds the Earth.

The earth is round, and without it round about lies the deep ocean, and along the outer strand of that sea they gave lands for the giant races to dwell in; and against the attack of restless giants they built a burg within the sea and around the earth. For this purpose they used the giant Ymer's eyebrows, and they called the burg Midgard.

It is said that to the south and above this heaven is another heaven, which is called Andlang. But there is a third, which is above these, and is called Vidblain, and in this heaven we believe this mansion (Gimle) to be situated; but we deem that the light-elves alone dwell in it now.

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Having read this I am thoroughly reminded of why I don't spend more time studying Swedish

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Everything in Atlantis seems to be in base 4

Now the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth;

but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width.

The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia.

Leaving the palace and passing out across the three harbours, you came to a wall which began at the sea and went all round:

this was everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone or harbour, and enclosed the whole, the ends meeting at the mouth of the channel which led to the sea.

5+2+4+4+6+6+50+50=127

The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea;

it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction (diagonally) three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. (128*16=2048)

This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.

The surrounding mountains (beyond the sea) were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work.

I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the labours of many generations of kings through long ages.

It was for the most part rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight line followed the circular ditch.

The depth, and width, and length of this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial.

Nevertheless I must say what I was told.

It was excavated to the depth of a hundred feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere;

it was carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in length.

It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into the sea.

Further inland, likewise, straight canals of a hundred feet in width were cut from it through the plain, and again let off into the ditch leading to the sea:

these canals were at intervals of a hundred (128) stadia, and by them they brought down the wood from the mountains to the city, and conveyed the fruits of the earth in ships, cutting transverse passages from one canal into another, and to the city.

Twice in the year they gathered the fruits of the earth—in winter having the benefit of the rains of heaven, and in summer the water which the land supplied by introducing streams from the canals.

population

As to the population, each of the lots in the plain had to find a leader for the men who were fit for military service, and the size of a lot was a square of ten (8) stadia each way, and the total number of all the lots was sixty thousand (64536).

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http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Critias

He also begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory. And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic. To his twin brother, who was born after him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus. Of the second pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon. To the elder of the third pair of twins he gave the name Mneseus, and Autochthon to the one who followed him. Of the fourth pair of twins he called the elder Elasippus, and the younger Mestor. And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes.

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Din%C3%A9_Bahane%CA%BC

the Holy People walked for times around them. In this way, they transformed First Man and First Woman from spirit people into human beings, with great powers.[6] "Now," the Holy People said, "live here as husband and wife."

At the end of four days, First Woman gave birth to twins. They were neither male nor female, but Nádleeh, hermaphrodite. Four days later a second set of twins was born, one male and one female. After twenty days a total of five pairs of twins had been born, half of them male and half of them female. Almost at once they were full grown. The Holy People took each set of twins to their home on the East Mountain and taught them how to wear masks and pray, and then returned them to their parents. Eight winters passed, and during that time the twins found mates with the Mirage People. Many people came into being.

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The "Egypt" that Solon traveled to would have to have been in or along the shores of the sea of Marmara

This reminds me of the myth involving the Theseus

where he supposedly traveled to Crete

yet its clear to me that he probably only traveled as far as one of the nearby islands

along the road he was traveling.

A large part of the story of the Argonauts takes place in the sea of Marmara

and then suddenly and inexplicably jumps to Italy.

the outline of the shore inside the sea of marmara kinda looks like the outline of the shore of the Mediterranean

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For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.

Clearly the continent that he refers to above (the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent) can only be asia.

The West Siberian Glacial Lake, also known as West Siberian Lake, or Mansiyskoe Lake

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For because of the greatness of their empire many things were brought to them from foreign countries, and the island itself provided most of what was required by them for the uses of life.

In the first place, they dug out of the earth whatever was to be found there, solid as well as fusile, and that which is now only a name and was then something more than a name, orichalcum, was dug out of the earth in many parts of the island, being more precious in those days than anything except gold.

There was an abundance of wood for carpenter's work, and sufficient maintenance for tame and wild animals.

Moreover, there were a great number of mammoths in the island;

for as there was provision for all other sorts of animals, both for those which live in lakes and marshes and rivers, and also for those which live in mountains and on plains, so there was for the animal which is the largest and most voracious of all.

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He also begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest;

the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory.

And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic.

To his twin brother, who was born after him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the pillars of Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus.

Of the second pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon.

To the elder of the third pair of twins he gave the name Mneseus, and Autochthon to the one who followed him.

Of the fourth pair of twins he called the elder Elasippus, and the younger Mestor.

And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes.

All these and their descendants for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea; and also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction over the country within the pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia.

Matthew 8 (New International Version)

23 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24 Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”

26 He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm.

27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

28 When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

30 Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31 The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

32 He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. 33 Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. 34 Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region

15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,

16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

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so is atlantis the kikkar [of jehovah]?

kikkar

“plain” (13:10). The Hebrew word for “plain” in every context dealing with Sodom and Gomorrah is kikkar. This word is interesting because its basic meaning has nothing at all to do with geography. In fact, of the 68 times that the term is used in the Old Testament, it is only applied within a geographical context in thirteen instances.11

Of those thirteen, seven of them are found in Genesis in relationship to Sodom and Gomorrah where it is translated “plain.” The remaining usages of kikkar reveal the real sense of the term: 45+ times it is used to designate a “talent” of silver, gold, iron, or lead; seven times it is translated “loaf” as in “loaf of bread.” The root meaning of kikkar is “disk” or a “circular, flat disk.”12

Thus, a talent of silver or any other metal is a round, flat disk of metal used as a medium of exchange.13

Likewise, loaves of bread in antiquity were usually flat and disk-shaped.14

This meaning holds true throughout the Semitic cognates (it even carries the meaning of “circle” in modern Arabic).15

Therefore, as a geographical semantic referent in the context of “the plain of the Jordan” and “the cities of the plain,” there is no doubt that the very use of the word kikkar denotes a (relatively) flat, circular, disk-shaped region. If the nature of the area being described were something other than a “circular plain,” another word would have been selected. There are several other common Hebrew words for valley, vale or region.16

Scholars who translate kikkar as “valley” or merely “region” have completely missed the point of the word.17

It is quite clear that when we search for a geographical area upon which sit the Cities of the Plain, we are looking for a region that is observably circular and disk-like.

Gelb, Oppenheim, and Reiner, The Assyrian Dictionary vol. 8 (Chicago: Oriental Institute, 1971) 49-50. The equivalent of Heb. kikkar in Ugaritic is kkr/kakkar, meaning “metal disk” (“talent”); see C.H. Gordon, Ugaritic Textbook, Revised Reprint (Roma: Editrice Pontificio Instituto Biblico, 1998) 419. Even Egyptian kerker means “to circle, to mark out a circle with a stick” and “talent” (a disk of metal); see E.A.W. Budge, An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary vol. 2 (New York: Dover, 1920/1978) 696.

16 Common Hebrew words such biqah, ‘emeq, gey’, nakhal, ‘arabah, ‘elon, mishor and shephelah, for example, all have a wide range of meanings having to do with low places, topographical depressions, low-lying plains, cleft valleys, and wadis. But this is not true of kikkar which, when used geographically, refers only to a circular area resembling a talent (metal disk) or a round, flat loaf of bread. And kikkar is absolutely consistent in retaining its meaning of “flat circle” throughout all its known uses among the Semitic cognates.

17 Harrison, “Cities of the Valley” 704. Harrison erroneously translates Heb. ‘are hakikkar as “cities of the valley,” in spite of the fact that he correctly describes kikkar as “actually the old Canaanite term for ‘circle’…” But from that point he proceeds into a completely illogical meandering and ends up concluding (for no real reason at all!) that “modern scholarship locates [the Cities of the Valley] under the waters of the southern end of the Dead Sea.” Of course, when you look at the bibliography for his entry, it is dominated by two prominent names: W.F. Albright and G.E. Wright who championed that hypothesis. The fact of the matter is that kikkar never means “valley,” not in Hebrew, not in any of the Semitic cognates (kakkaru/kkr), not even in Egyptian (kerkar).

18 Through the years I have spent a good deal of time in the region of the Lower Jordan Valley and the Dead Sea, and I have made two visits to the area in the year of this writing (2002). When you stand on Mount Nebo, for example, and look toward the Jordan and the northern end of the Dead Sea, the view of the circular plain (kikkar) is quite dramatic. The disk-like character of the area immediately north of and touching the Dead Sea is especially distinct when looking at a satellite

photograph of the area; see the monumental geographical work by R. Cleave, The Holy Land Satellite Atlas vol. 2 (Nicosia, Cyprus: Rohr Productions, 1999) 126-127, 130-131, 140. My good friend Richard Cleave has (admittedly) depended upon traditional sources for his location of Zoar and his discussion of the Cities of the Plain, but at least has resisted putting Sodom and Gomorrah on his maps of the southeastern Dead Sea region. By using both overhead and oblique lines of sight, he has provided the most stunning collection of views of the Lower Jordan/Dead Sea region available (his whole two-volume Atlas is superlative), providing a truly Divine geographical perspective of the kikkar. And from that Divine aerial perspective, presented so wonderfully by Cleave, one can clearly see why God inspired the biblical writers to select kikkar as the descriptive term for the disk-shaped plain of the southern Jordan Valley.

“well watered” (13:10). The Hebrew word for “well watered” is mashqeh. It is also the word

for “cupbearer” and “drink.”20 The idea is clear enough. The plain (kikkar) of the Jordan was

blessed with abundant sources of water including the Jordan River itself, numerous perennial

springs, and many major wadis through which flowed the seasonal runoff from both the Cisjordan and Transjordan highlands. All these water sources are still evident today, particularly in the Transjordan portion of the Kikkar.21

“like the garden of the Yahweh” (13:10). The metaphorical reference here is obviously to the

Garden of Eden, which was also well watered (see Genesis 2:10ff) by a river—seemingly springfed

that subsequently separated into multiple channels. There are multiple springs in the Kikkar

area which flow down from the surrounding hills and wadis.

steven collins

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The rings shape of Atlantis looks like sacred geometry.

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The rings shape of Atlantis looks like sacred geometry.

Yes

A musical scale presupposes an unlimited continuum of pitches, which must be limited in some way in order for a scale to arise. The crucial point is that not just any set of limiters will do. One may not simply choose pitches at random along the continuum and produce a scale that will be musically pleasing. The diatonic scale, also known as "Pythagorean," is such that the ratio of the highest to the lowest pitch is 2:1, which produces the interval of an octave. That octave is in turn divided into a fifth and a fourth, which have the ratios of 3:2 and 4:3 respectively and which, when added, make an octave. If we go up a fifth from the lowest note in the octave and then up a fourth from there, we will reach the upper note of the octave. Finally the fifth can be made up of three (largest) whole tones (each corresponding to the ratio of 9:8) plus a perfecting semitone (with a ratio of 256:243). Likewise, the fourth can be made up of two whole tones plus the same perfecting semitone. This is a good example of a concrete applied use of Philolaus’ reasoning. In Philolaus' terms the fitting together of limiters and unlimiteds involves their combination in accordance with ratios of numbers (harmony). Similarly the cosmos and the individual things in the cosmos do not arise by a chance combination of limiters and unlimiteds; the limiters and unlimiteds must be fitted together in a "pleasing" (harmonic) way in accordance with number for an order to arise.

http://en.wikipedia..../Pythagoreanism

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yima was simply trying to protect his atlantis from the devastating fires that swept the plain he lived on. he also needed water for the cows. on his third try with a ditch of 3 stades [about 3.6km] he would have finally succeeded according to modern firemen. it is the best solution to a big problem if you can manage it.

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http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Norse_cosmology#Creation

In the beginning, there were two regions: Muspelheim in the south, full of fire, light and heat; and Niflheim (cf. "unfallen" nephilim) in the north, full of arctic waters, mists, and cold. Between them stretched the yawning emptiness of Ginnungagap. From Muspelheim flowed rivers of fire, called hellwaves, that eventually cooled and hardened and formed layer after layer of ice in Niflheim. Between these two extremes, in the center of Ginnungagap, the river was mild and hospitable and it was here that life arose. Eventually a race of fire giants, called the sons of Muspell (cf. Mazda), arose that were capable of living in Muspelheim.

The fire giants then began melting the layers of ice in Niflheim and freeing people that had become frozen in it. One of these prehistoric icemen was called Ymir. From Ymir's left armpit, a man and woman were born and from his legs a son was born. From these come the races that are called Hrimthurs.

The next thing was that when the rime melted into drops,

there was made thereof a cow, which is called Audhumbla.

Four milk-streams ran from her teats, and she fed Ymir

...She licked the salt-stones that were covered with rime

—"Harr" in Gylfaginning by Snorri Sturluson

Over the course of three days, Audhumbla, by licking the ice, managed to release Buri (the hibernating "bear"?) who had somehow become "buried" in the ice. Buri's son Borr had three sons, the Æsir gods Óðinn, Vili and Vé. The three "slew" Ymir, and all of the frost giants except Bergelmir were drowned in the deluge of blood that flowed from Ymir's wounds. This may or may not be the war known as the Æsir–Vanir War. There is no hint anywhere in Norse mythology that the fire giants were in any way involved in this war. Zoroastrian mythology however makes it perfectly clear that this was a full-blown war between the ice giants led by Angra Mainyu and the fire giants led by Mazda.

From Ymir's body, the Æsir (cf. Os-iris and Er-os, "many-eyes") made the world of humans: his blood the seas and lakes, his flesh the earth, his bones the mountains and his teeth the rocks. From his skull they made the dome of the sky, setting a dwarf at each of the four corners to hold it high above the earth.

The world will end during the events of Ragnarök when the fire giants led by Surtr destroy heaven and earth. The palace Gimle (or Grimle) in the third heaven called Vidblain, however, shall stand even when both heaven and earth shall have passed away. In this hall the good and righteous shall dwell through all ages.

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Clearly the continent that he refers to above (the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent) can only be asia.

The West Siberian Glacial Lake, also known as West Siberian Lake, or Mansiyskoe Lake

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grandpa i am curious to know what you think the greeks called the freshwater sea that was directly north of them filling the middle of europe on this map. there seems to be a large piece of land across it if you are an author in athens. is such a broad view including siberia necessary?

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In the beginning, there were two regions: Muspelheim in the south, full of fire, light and heat; and Niflheim (cf. "unfallen" nephilim) in the north

As absurd as usual.

Etymology: Nifl (whence the Icelandic nifl) being cognate with the Anglo-Saxon Nifol ("dark"), Dutch nevel and German Nebel (fog).

Harte

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As absurd as usual.

Harte

"A common paradigm is that chernozem soils developed in the Holocene under grassland steppes, with their formation largely determined by three factors, parent material, climate and faunal mixing. For European chernozems, however, pollen records show that steppes were rare. Here, using high-resolution transmission electron microscopy, electron energy loss spectroscopy, micro Raman spectroscopy and radiocarbon dating, we characterized the nanomorphology and chemical structure of soil organic carbon (SOC) from central European chernozems. We identified submicron remnants of burned biomass (15–45 percent of SOC), coexisting as amorphous char-black carbon (BC) derived from pyrolized cellulose or soot-BC. The BC was several millenia in age (1160–5040 carbon-14 years) and up to 3990 radiocarbon years older than bulk SOC, indicating significant residence times for BC in soils. These results challenge common paradigms on chernozem formation and add fire as an important novel factor. It is also clear that the role of fire in soil formation has been underestimated outside classical fire prone biomes. Furthermore, our results demonstrate the importance of quantifying BC in soils because of its large contribution, longevity and potential role in the global biogeochemical carbon cycle....

In black Australian grassland soils, under aboriginal fire management for thousands of years, up to 30% of the soil organic carbon (SOC) was present as BC, whereas adjacent forested soils that were not subjected to regular aboriginal burning were gray and contained little BC….. "

Max Planck Inst.

so there was alot of fire south of niflheim

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as I have pointed out to you before (to no avail) it actually means cloud.

Clouds do not fall.

Clouds are non-falling.

http://www.bluelette...m?strongs=G3507

νεφελη

a cloud

used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness

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as I have pointed out to you before (to no avail) it actually means cloud.

Clouds do not fall.

Clouds are non-falling.

Except, you know, when it rains.

--Jaylemurph

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as I have pointed out to you before (to no avail) it actually means cloud.

Clouds do not fall.

Clouds are non-falling.

http://www.bluelette...m?strongs=G3507

νεφελη

a cloud

used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness

http://religion.wiki...mology#Creation

In the beginning, there were two regions: Muspelheim in the south, full of fire, light and heat; and Niflheim (cf. "unfallen" nephilim) in the north,

Etymology: Nifl (whence the Icelandic nifl) being cognate with the Anglo-Saxon Nifol ("dark"), Dutch nevel and German Nebel (fog).

Nephele is not nephilim. Nifl is explained above. Again. It is not related to nephilim in any form.

Harte

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Harte, if I didn't know better, I'd almost believe you think people with no knowledge of linguistics should attempt to provide linguistic data to others!

--Jaylemurph

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Harte, if I didn't know better, I'd almost believe you think people with no knowledge of linguistics should NOT attempt to provide linguistic data to others!

--Jaylemurph

Fixed your linguistics there.

Harte

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I think granpa means it means 'cloud' through the word nephele, these words mean cloud - dark/foggy, cloudy fog, too foggy to see - "unseen". A Greek word with a meaning found in Anglo-Saxon (nifl) the same. So you could interpret Nephilim to mean "unseen", hidden etc, not that I am any sort of Nephilim believer, just saying...

The official etymology is different but "all very precarious":

The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning of Nephilim as "giants."[1] Many suggested interpretations are based on the assumption that the word is a derivative of Hebrew verbal root n-ph-l "fall." Robert Baker Girdlestone [2] argued the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem, implying that the Nephilim are to be perceived as "those that cause others to fall down." Adam Clarke took it as a perfect participle, "fallen," "apostates." Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form "ones who have fallen," equivalent grammatically to paqid "one who is appointed" (i.e., overseer), asir, "one who is bound," (i.e., prisoner) etc.[3][4] According to the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon, the basic etymology of the word Nephilim is "dub[ious]," and various suggested interpretations are "all very precarious."[5]

The majority of ancient biblical versions, including the Septuagint, Theodotion, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Targum, Targum Onkelos and Targum Neofiti, interpret the word to mean "giants."[6] Symmachus translates it as "the violent ones"[7][8][9] and Aquila's translation has been interpreted to mean either "the fallen ones"[7] or "the ones falling [upon their enemies]

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You can interpret anything anyway you want. Doesn't make it right

By your logic, I could interpret the word "gem" as a place to go work out.

Harte

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nevil 1, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Nebel; ne. fog (N.); ÜG.: lat. nebula L 2; Vw.: s. -kal-d, -nacht, -thiū-st-ere*; Hw.: vgl. as. neval*, ahd. nebul; Q.: W, L 2; E.: germ. *nebula-, *nebulaz, st. M. (a), Nebel; s. idg. *enebʰ- (2), *nebʰelā, *nébʰelh₂-, Sb., Nebel, Wolke, Pokorny 315; L.: Hh 76b, Rh 949b

The word nebula is the same family. Orion has a large nebula within it. Again "all very precarious" but interesting none the less.

In Aramaic culture, the term niyphelah refers to the Constellation of Orion and nephilim to the offspring of Orion in mythology.[40] However the Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon notes this as a "dubious etymology" and "all very precarious".[1]

J. C. Greenfield mentions that "it has been proposed that the tale of the Nephilim, alluded to in Genesis 6 is based on some of the negative aspects of the apkallu tradition".[41] The apkallu in Sumerian mythology were seven legendary culture heroes from before the Flood, of human descent, but possessing extraordinary wisdom from the gods, and one of the seven apkallu, Adapa, was therefore called "son of Ea", despite his human origin.[42]

It has even been suggested that the Nephilim form the basis for the Israelite version of the Greek race of heroes who were also demigods as told by Hesiod in his Works and Days.[43] The comparison with the semi-divine Nephilim and their description in the Book of Genesis as being "mighty men of old, men of renown" further emphasizes that suggestion.

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You can interpret anything anyway you want. Doesn't make it right

By your logic, I could interpret the word "gem" as a place to go work out.

Harte

Nobody said it was right. However, there is no proof that it does not share a root meaning in 'foggy, cloudy, misty, murky, bad, evil, dark, down, fallen'.

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Anyway, as I showed, the same numbers are in Plato's description of the creation of the world and Pythagorean theorem regarding harmony and chaos. So, the whole thing is connected to these Laws. Musical notes. One wrong note and disharmony, chaos occurs. I'm not sure if this connects with Midgard though. I'm not even sure how it connects to Atlantis yet, but it surely will.

Nifl can be found as neva in Frisian - foggy - nif/nev-hel imo - fog+complete (dark) - Niflheim - home of complete fog.

Then nither/nether is another word - means down, below, low - Netherworld, Netherlands

This is closer to the possible Hebrew meaning 'fallen'.

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