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The Mafia in America today

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I was wondering what others thought about the power and influence of the mafia today? Recent reports list 8 powerful and influential families, 5 in NYC and one each in Philly, Chicago and Jersey. These reports also state that the families are growing in size and they are moving away fro traditional rackets into more semi legit operations.

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That was what they said in the first Godfather movie. What else do you have???

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That was what they said in the first Godfather movie. What else do you have???

So your a fan of the Godfather movies, me too great story and acting too bad its a fairy tale. What else do you have?

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Don't think it'll ever be like before ..... like the OP said, theyre switching more into semi legal stuff

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So your a fan of the Godfather movies, me too great story and acting too bad its a fairy tale. What else do you have?

If I tell that will be the last you hear from me...

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Don't think it'll ever be like before ..... like the OP said, theyre switching more into semi legal stuff

Thanks for the post. I agree Solar, the RICO laws and assimilation have taken a toll on the LCN. As you probably know they are into online/offshore gambling, financial scams, pill mills and other businesses that have a whiff of legitimacy. They have adapted.

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We love our evidence.

So do the feds so your in good company :)

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If I tell that will be the last you hear from me...

JVG I hear witsec is not that bad nowadays, you can write a book, and live on a beach. :yes:

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Debbie Reynolds once was quoted - Debbie Reynolds, said it best. When asked "why do you live here (in Vegas) - people get killed here. Debbie replied, "Yeah, but only those who need killing". Locals were safe back then. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/feb/20/was-life-really-better-when-mob-ruled-las-vegas/

I am not pro organized crime and not a mafia worshiper. I liked the godfather movies for what they were...but I think street and prison gangs, crips, bloods, mexican mafia, aryan brotherhood and offshoots as well as the other non italian gangs, ghost shadow, russian mafia, drug cartels from mexico and south america are the major players now. I would not count the cosa nostra out, but seems like we have trouble everywhere.

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Debbie Reynolds once was quoted - Debbie Reynolds, said it best. When asked "why do you live here (in Vegas) - people get killed here. Debbie replied, "Yeah, but only those who need killing". Locals were safe back then. http://www.lasvegass...uled-las-vegas/

I am not pro organized crime and not a mafia worshiper. I liked the godfather movies for what they were...but I think street and prison gangs, crips, bloods, mexican mafia, aryan brotherhood and offshoots as well as the other non italian gangs, ghost shadow, russian mafia, drug cartels from mexico and south america are the major players now. I would not count the cosa nostra out, but seems like we have trouble everywhere.

Thanks for the post and the link mbrn, I'm not a fanboy either and agree with you that the other OC players you mentioned have passed the LCN in scope and power. I have no personal knowledge or experience with OC but love to read and have always found it fascinating, probably in part because I'm Italian and grew up in Brooklyn.

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Thanks for the post and the link mbrn, I'm not a fanboy either and agree with you that the other OC players you mentioned have passed the LCN in scope and power. I have no personal knowledge or experience with OC but love to read and have always found it fascinating, probably in part because I'm Italian and grew up in Brooklyn.

I grew up in Chicago suburbs in the 1950s when the Mob was powerful in Chicagoland. 1st Ward Alderman was always the mob guy in the City Council. My dad, being a policeman when he was in his 20's, met Al Capone twice. Several Chicago suburbs were controlled by the Mafia in those days. I don't have much knowledge about the Mob now, though.

As an aside, it's interesting how many famous people including many movie stars were born in Brooklyn. This link lists 3210 famous people born in Brooklyn.

http://www.imdb.com/search/name?birth_place=Brooklyn,%20New%20York,%20USA

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Here's a good blog that compiles all the latest articles that concern the mob - http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/ . It also has a link to charts made of the 5 families current status here - http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/p/current-leadership-of-five-families.html . BrooklynGuy as far as i'm aware there's 10 currently recognized viable families as well as the 8 you mentioned, there's the Patriarca family that operates in New England mostly in Providence and Boston; as well as the Detroit family.

Nowadays the mob is seeing less informants and aren't being effected as badly by RICO, because the members are now allowed to take plea deals that can greatly reduce their sentences.

Any fans of Goodfellas, may want to read this article from last year. About a dead body found last year at Jimmy Burke's (Jimmy Conway in the movie) house, and the resulting charges - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/alleged-mobster-vincent-asaro-charged-1978-goodfellas-lufthansa-heist. Also here's the indictment if you can be bothered reading it, it's 26 pages long - http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/nyindict012313.pdf

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I grew up in Chicago suburbs in the 1950s when the Mob was powerful in Chicagoland. 1st Ward Alderman was always the mob guy in the City Council. My dad, being a policeman when he was in his 20's, met Al Capone twice. Several Chicago suburbs were controlled by the Mafia in those days. I don't have much knowledge about the Mob now, though.

As an aside, it's interesting how many famous people including many movie stars were born in Brooklyn. This link lists 3210 famous people born in Brooklyn.

http://www.imdb.com/..., New York, USA

Thanks Star for the post and the Brooklyn link, very interesting.

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Caramel, Thanks for the Luftansa link. I'm familiar with the Five Families blog and also enjoy George Anastasia's and Jerry Capeci's reporting as well. With the recent death of Tocco the long time Detroit boss it will be interesting to see who takes the reins. Do you know who is running the NE family? I'm really interested to see what happens with the Philly mob, Joey Merlino appears to be running the family now. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/29/3026287/joseph-merlino-the-mobster-next.html

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I grew up in Chicago suburbs in the 1950s when the Mob was powerful in Chicagoland. 1st Ward Alderman was always the mob guy in the City Council. My dad, being a policeman when he was in his 20's, met Al Capone twice. Several Chicago suburbs were controlled by the Mafia in those days. I don't have much knowledge about the Mob now, though.

As an aside, it's interesting how many famous people including many movie stars were born in Brooklyn. This link lists 3210 famous people born in Brooklyn.

http://www.imdb.com/..., New York, USA

Star, here is a recent case in Chitown

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2014/07/charges-detail-robbery-crew-linked-to.html

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I think what severely damaged the Mafia was the amount of them who turned when arrested and gave up all their associates.It made a mockery of the code of omerta

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Caramel, Thanks for the Luftansa link. I'm familiar with the Five Families blog and also enjoy George Anastasia's and Jerry Capeci's reporting as well. With the recent death of Tocco the long time Detroit boss it will be interesting to see who takes the reins. Do you know who is running the NE family? I'm really interested to see what happens with the Philly mob, Joey Merlino appears to be running the family now. http://www.miamihera...bster-next.html

As far as i know it's still Peter Limone, but i've actually read a few people say he was never boss so who knows. Also i don't think it's that far fetched considering the multiple millions compensatiion he got for his false imprisonment. I'm pretty sure i read somewhere (possibly by Anastasia?) that Joey was always boss; Ligambi was only acting for him i'll try to find where i read it. Also Scott Burnstein; author of these two books about the Detroit mob- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scott-M.-Burnstein/e/B001IODGSA . Has been saying for a while that Tocco was retired and Tony Giacalone is boss.

Another site you may be interested in that has alot of old FBI docs some redacted more than likely because the informants still alive, about the earlier mob especially the 50s,60s- http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page . It's a bit annoying to navigate so your best bet is to just search an old mobsters name and look through them if you're insterested of course.

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I think what severely damaged the Mafia was the amount of them who turned when arrested and gave up all their associates.It made a mockery of the code of omerta

Excellent post dr. no, the rats have certainly played a major role.

Elljay thank you for the video

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As far as i know it's still Peter Limone, but i've actually read a few people say he was never boss so who knows. Also i don't think it's that far fetched considering the multiple millions compensatiion he got for his false imprisonment. I'm pretty sure i read somewhere (possibly by Anastasia?) that Joey was always boss; Ligambi was only acting for him i'll try to find where i read it. Also Scott Burnstein; author of these two books about the Detroit mob- http://www.amazon.co...in/e/B001IODGSA . Has been saying for a while that Tocco was retired and Tony Giacalone is boss.

Another site you may be interested in that has alot of old FBI docs some redacted more than likely because the informants still alive, about the earlier mob especially the 50s,60s- http://www.maryferre...x.php/Main_Page . It's a bit annoying to navigate so your best bet is to just search an old mobsters name and look through them if you're insterested of course.

Camarel, thanks for the insight on Detroit and NE and the FBI link, great stuff. What's you take on Philly, seems like there is a lot of confusion with the current hierarchy, with Mazzone, Ligambi, Narducci and Borgesi all major players? I believe Joey is running the show, the guy is a stone cold killer, and had no second thoughts about the hits on Stanfa and Scarfo Jr.

On a side note is there any easy way to post pictures in the threads?

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Camarel, thanks for the insight on Detroit and NE and the FBI link, great stuff. What's you take on Philly, seems like there is a lot of confusion with the current hierarchy, with Mazzone, Ligambi, Narducci and Borgesi all major players? I believe Joey is running the show, the guy is a stone cold killer, and had no second thoughts about the hits on Stanfa and Scarfo Jr.

On a side note is there any easy way to post pictures in the threads?

Just use tinypic.com to post pictures.

Most people think Ligambi will retire now, he had his run as acting boss presumably got a bit wealthy from it; and after getting off of those charges at his age i doubt he'll be that involved. Then again you never know with these guys. In all honesty i don't really follow Philly; i only really follow the current NY situation and other than that just look at the history of the mob. Not sure if you've read this, a controversial blog post on a usually great site, that initially said Borgesi was the new boss then revised to say he was trying to become boss- http://www.cosanostranews.com/2014/07/source-says-philly-mob-has-new-boss.html . Also a thread about it on another forum i'm a member of where you'd get better answers, especially on Philly- http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=788312&page=1 . Be warned there's a tonne of b****ing on that thread :whistle::tu:

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Just use tinypic.com to post pictures.

Most people think Ligambi will retire now, he had his run as acting boss presumably got a bit wealthy from it; and after getting off of those charges at his age i doubt he'll be that involved. Then again you never know with these guys. In all honesty i don't really follow Philly; i only really follow the current NY situation and other than that just look at the history of the mob. Not sure if you've read this, a controversial blog post on a usually great site, that initially said Borgesi was the new boss then revised to say he was trying to become boss- http://www.cosanostr...s-new-boss.html . Also a thread about it on another forum i'm a member of where you'd get better answers, especially on Philly- http://www.gangsterb...r=788312&page=1 . Be warned there's a tonne of b****ing on that thread :whistle::tu:

Thanks Caramel for the picture directions. I checked that thread out on the other forum, you were right, a lot of BS.

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